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Hindsight
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12:00, 4:00 and 9:00. 9:00 is a bit thick but my goal there would be to see how it grows out on its own on another plate and then take one or more T2s from it.
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Failboat
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27508883 - 10/18/21 10:08 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nektar if you're not smoking base endlessly or eating mountains of molly with prescription MAOIs you're probably gonna be fine.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Failboat]
#27508889 - 10/18/21 10:13 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Honestly serotonin syndrome is like the boogieman, everyone's heard of him but actual persons experiencing it? Far and few.
I've listened to SS scare since I was a teenager, the actual frequency of this occuring seems around the same ratio as dying in your bathroom from shitting too hard.
If natalensis was dangerous along such a mechanism, we'd have probably heard about by now.
I've taken shrooms on SSRIs, and so have many others. Cubes have also been found to contain traces of Mao inhibition
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Happened to my sister once because her Dr switched her to a tricyclic without first weening her off of SSRIs.
Anyway, if you take something like MDMA and mix in a RIMA or Maoi or Ssri you're probably in for a bad time. This is because MDMA actually increases production of seretonin. The mechanism of action is completely different from psilocybin and other tryptamines, which just bind to seretonin receptors without directly increasing production.
Mushrooms and harmalas will not cause any issues, except maybe raised blood pressure.
Natalensis VS penecillium(?). Who will win?
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Jacubey]
#27509170 - 10/18/21 03:25 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jacubey said: Happened to my sister once because her Dr switched her to a tricyclic without first weening her off of SSRIs.
Anyway, if you take something like MDMA and mix in a RIMA or Maoi or Ssri you're probably in for a bad time. This is because MDMA actually increases production of seretonin. The mechanism of action is completely different from psilocybin and other tryptamines, which just bind to seretonin receptors without directly increasing production.
Mushrooms and harmalas will not cause any issues, except maybe raised blood pressure.
Natalensis VS penecillium(?). Who will win?

Thank you for the info.
If the Natalensis wins, I'm going to change my sig line to "P-Nat eats mold for breakfast."
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nektar61]
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Artemisia_Ale said: Also Im not sure if this's a filtered short-wave UV, but it's not the kind that goes on the wall. It's for detecting... fluids n stuff, and it does say "Do not shine directly at eyes or bare skin".
If you don't have UV-specific glasses, at least wear some good sunglasses, even if you're not looking directly. Even reflected, UV can fuck up your eyes, even just temp. Sort of feels like a sunburn on your eyes. I've done it checking rocks.
Also, some Amazon / eBay "UV protective glasses" are bunk. Better to get good ones from lab supply store (or rock hound supply store), they cost a bit.
But anything (sunglasses and limiting time using) is better than nothing with avoiding UV to the eyes.
You're supposed to wear long sleeves and cover skin, but eyes are much more sensitive. I chase pets out of room too before using it.
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Re: Show me your P-Nats [Re: nektar61] 1
#27509368 - 10/18/21 06:31 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thread title adjustment.
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karri0n
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There was no natalensis in the study above - the theory of natalensis and harmala was mine alone.
Let me be clear, I'm not saying I think P-Nat mycelium has more harmala than cubes. I think when you eat natalensis, you consume more mycelium(crawling up the stem, in the stem, larger base, etc) because of how hyperactive the mycelium is.
I think if serotonin syndrome or some sort of harmala related poisoning/interaction was possible with mushrooms alone, we'd have seen it by now in the folks that routinely consume 20g+ some time over the past 50 years.
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Re: Show me your P-Nats [Re: karri0n]
#27509707 - 10/19/21 01:32 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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karri0n said: There was no natalensis in the study above - the theory of natalensis and harmala was mine alone.
Let me be clear, I'm not saying I think P-Nat mycelium has more harmala than cubes. I think when you eat natalensis, you consume more mycelium(crawling up the stem, in the stem, larger base, etc) because of how hyperactive the mycelium is.
I think if serotonin syndrome or some sort of harmala related poisoning/interaction was possible with mushrooms alone, we'd have seen it by now in the folks that routinely consume 20g+ some time over the past 50 years.
Thank you.
I wonder if mild SS (serotonin syndrome) is at play sometimes when people take DMT, without MAOIs, but especially with. ..If it's part of the "wayyyy out there" aspect of it.
I think it probably is at play with some of the "death by dancing" MDMA fatalities....combined with other issues of that situation.
I've never done DMT, no desire to. Shrooms are perfect for my needs, but I understand the appeal.
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ModularMind said: Thread title adjustment.
Don't think so.
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Re: Psilocybe Natalensis [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27509863 - 10/19/21 07:39 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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ModularMind said: Thread title adjustment.
Don't think so.
OK, but I'll still show my P-Nats.
13 days, T1. The one on the left is a little blue in the middle, but doesn't look or smell contamed. Is it so aggressive that it bruised itself?
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Re: Show me your P-Nats [Re: nektar61] 1
#27509935 - 10/19/21 09:02 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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nektar61 said: I wonder if mild SS (serotonin syndrome) is at play sometimes when people take DMT, without MAOIs, but especially with. ..If it's part of the "wayyyy out there" aspect of it.
This is 100% due to the intoxicating effects of the DMT and the Harmala(psychoactive in its own right). Serotonin syndrome is marked more with the physical symptoms and basically always a medical emergency.
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nektar61 said: I think it probably is at play with some of the "death by dancing" MDMA fatalities....combined with other issues of that situation.
One of them, yes. It can also be due to electrolyte imbalances, heat stroke, or dehydration.
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DMT and Bufotenine are both found naturally in humans. Schizophrenic people have WAY more bufotenine and DMT in their urine than non schizophrenic people.
You do DMT every time you dream or meditate or daydream. You do way more when you have a near death experience, or if you are someone who meditates constantly and finds yourself in very "connected" states while meditating. It's what's responsible for all of these things, and it's why taking massive doses of it or chemicals that act like it(psilocin, bufotenine, 5-meo, etc) put us into the states they do. A very large dose of DMT or Psilo is the same situation your brain finds itself in when you are having a near death experience, which is why people sometimes see the "afterlife" on a trip, or quickly run through all their memories at a million miles a second ("their life flashed before their eyes") when they are in a car accident.
Every description that we have of spiritual realms such as heaven or hell or any other culture's afterlife came from someone either being injured, nearly drowned, meditating for years in a cave, brain tumor, or consuming some sort of entheogen and "visiting somewhere else" - this has always been DMT doing this.
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Re: Show me your P-Nats [Re: karri0n]
#27509952 - 10/19/21 09:15 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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You do DMT every time you dream or meditate or daydream.
Thank you. I dig your detailed answers.
But, well, "The Dose Makes the Poison."
If you could compare smoked DMT to oral shrooms, an average dose of DMT, how many grams of shrooms would that equal? (not counting the duration). I'm guessing a lot, from what I've heard.
I love dreaming. My dreams became more much more interesting and psychedelic (even when sober) after I started doing shooms regularly last year when I joined mush cult.
That didn't happen with doing a lot of acid 35 years ago, but might be based on age, more than the particular indole.
Or just that back then I was too drunk to remember dreams / or have them much.
Did someone post this on here yet? I can't remember. Is interesting, a bit dense for me, but I'm slogging through it:
Can Psilocybe mushrooms make MAOIs? https://www.critical.consulting/post/can-psilocybe-mushrooms-make-maoi-s
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Psilocybe Natalensis [Re: nektar61]
#27509987 - 10/19/21 09:54 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just trying to set back the name of the thread.
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Re: Psilocybe Natalensis [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27510118 - 10/19/21 11:40 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I haven't done smoked DMT so I couldn't give an accurate enough answer, plus it totally depends on the person dosing.
With strong APE it'd be like 5-6g for me for a full hyperspace dose.
For regular cubes it would have to be more than 13g for me(most I've tried), and no thanks. That's real hard to consume no matter what way you do it.
Feel free to PM me, this is way off topic but I'll gladly go into a lot more detail if you have questions about this stuff.
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Re: Psilocybe Natalensis [Re: nektar61] 2
#27510147 - 10/19/21 12:12 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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ModularMind said: Thread title adjustment.
Don't think so.
OK, but I'll still show my P-Nats.
13 days, T1. The one on the left is a little blue in the middle, but doesn't look or smell contamed. Is it so aggressive that it bruised itself?

Here are some of mine.
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Re: Psilocybe Natalensis [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27510150 - 10/19/21 12:13 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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nosf3r4tu said:
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nosf3r4tu said:
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ModularMind said: Thread title adjustment.
Don't think so.
OK, but I'll still show my P-Nats.
13 days, T1. The one on the left is a little blue in the middle, but doesn't look or smell contamed. Is it so aggressive that it bruised itself?

Here are some of mine.

Jesus. Is that jungle from a clone?
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Re: Psilocybe Natalensis [Re: nektar61] 1
#27510152 - 10/19/21 12:15 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes.
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Re: Psilocybe Natalensis [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27510714 - 10/19/21 10:15 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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nosf3r4tu said: Yes.
Anything fancy other than cloning the best one from a previous grow?
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