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I just did a little update to my nat growlog and thought I'd post it here to keep you guys up to date as well.
Udate 9/23/21: Things are moving right along. NAT3 "Regal" has matured the fastest and I harvested the shoebox in the JCM FC which yielded 131g wet. Of the three I am liking the look of NAT2 "Tall Boy" the most, but I'm going to have to see how they mature and what the subsequent flushes look like before I choose the clone I'll be keeping.
NAT1 "Thick Stem":

NAT2 "Tall Boy":

NAT3 "Regal" shoebox & JCM:
-------------------- PC's LAGM 2021 (TOC & TWC)P. natalensis Growlog 2021Pans for PC Fall 2021 Growlog “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
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Have you guys ever seen this pheno? Fat little bases that are solid, albeit squishy. Also, no veil.
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Edited by Lostkeys (09/25/21 08:35 PM)
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Lostkeys]
#27482193 - 09/25/21 08:42 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had a few that looked similar to those in my NAT1 clone… I’ll post some pictures tomorrow.
-------------------- PC's LAGM 2021 (TOC & TWC)P. natalensis Growlog 2021Pans for PC Fall 2021 Growlog “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
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nat MS pinning in a shoebox

Btw I had a trip off 2.8 dry grams of nats today at a remote beach and shit hit like a truck. It was super weird, at one point I think I felt like a dementia patient until things and thoughts started falling into place again. Interesting but also very unnerving. Can't say I learned much from it this time aside from how good it is to have regained my sanity.
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Sup y'all! Here is an update on my Nat clone test. I harvested x5 shoeboxes/bags today. I think NAT2 is pulling ahead as per A.K.A.'s prediction. Its a copy and paste from my growlog... if you want to follow along I'll be keeping that up to date as these continue to flush. 
Update 9/25/21: I harvested x5 shoeboxes today! The biggest one was a NAT2 at 249g wet. I'm just going to post photos for the time being and when I'm done harvesting everything I'll make an update outlining how much each clone produced. On this update each row is a different shoebox or bag. Enjoy the photos!
NAT1 "Thick Stem":


NAT2 "Tall Boy:


-------------------- PC's LAGM 2021 (TOC & TWC)P. natalensis Growlog 2021Pans for PC Fall 2021 Growlog “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Lostkeys]
#27482315 - 09/25/21 11:47 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lostkeys said: Have you guys ever seen this pheno? Fat little bases that are solid, albeit squishy. Also, no veil.

Hey Lostkeys, check out the shoebox of NAT1 (second row of photos) I just posted pictures of for the mushrooms I think kinda match the pheno you have.
-------------------- PC's LAGM 2021 (TOC & TWC)P. natalensis Growlog 2021Pans for PC Fall 2021 Growlog “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
Edited by PitcherCrab (09/25/21 11:48 PM)
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Lostkeys said: Have you guys ever seen this pheno? Fat little bases that are solid, albeit squishy. Also, no veil.

Hey Lostkeys, check out the shoebox of NAT1 (second row of photos) I just posted pictures of for the mushrooms I think kinda match the pheno you have.
Those do have the fat bottom stipes like mine. They're a little different though, because these have no veils. Before they mature, they kinda look like they're wearing little straw hats, so I named that clone "One Piece" in honor of Monkey D Luffy 😂.
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Pitcher - Your surface looks flawless, these didn't have the usual natal overlay on the first flush? That would make life alot sweeter, as about 1/3 of my first pinset usually get crushed or suffocated and end up aborted (unless I try to play blob-surgeon).
Anyone else ever eaten your overlay? The blobs bruise darker than the fruits, I've made a tincture, but have yet to give it a try... they should be better than cake-tea since it's all mycelium.
Keys - Mine will usually develop a bulbous base (the lanky bois too)... even as pins they'll sometimes have squat, chunky bases like little bowling pins. But every successful block I've fruited has had prominent veils (sometimes never even tearing at maturity). It's odd to me that some strains will display heavy veils yet some will lack them entirely. (Did they look to be veiled as pins??)
-There's likely as many strains and varieties to be selected from these (if not more) as cubensis - They can tolerate adverse conditions and fruit well even with SEVERE bacterial contamination (almost seemed to do better?). -I've had a badly neglected dub surface that was mostly orange slime, bruised to shit, covered in f-king gnats and it fruited as if there was nothing wrong... though the fruits were larvae infested and had to be disposed-of. -My previous one was quarantined due to some greening around the block edge after the first harvest/soak. I remembered it a week later and thought I was in for a gross mess... opened the cabinet to a full 2nd flush, and it even held the mold at bay - it never got past the edges (needless to say none of those were printed).
So if you've indeed got an overlay-free strain, these may be a serious rival for the classic cube on the spore market. I'd imagine others would do well like p. fimetaria (been eternally searching for even the tiniest swab), or any tropical compost lover that isn't too spoiled by symbiotic microflora etc. ...but anything can be trained over time. Does anyone have plans to irradiate some genetic material? They already can look pretty whacky, but still very curious to see this done.
This thread's got me starting a new spore plate to see if I can get anything different from them... my original print was NOT from an isolated monoculture so it should carry quite a mix up of genetics - will post anything interesting.
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Try 1/3, 1/5 Spawn to sub ratio and a top layer of coir 1-1.5" and you won't see any blobs or overlay.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27482459 - 09/26/21 06:48 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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nosf3r4tu said: Try 1/3, 1/5 Spawn to sub ratio and a top layer of coir 1-1.5" and you won't see any blobs or overlay.
Yoooo thanks for the tip my man! Haven’t gotten to starting these yet but was something I was concerned about, not anymore!
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Guerrilla]
#27482485 - 09/26/21 07:44 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice man those seemed to like the bags and wet conditions.
What I’ve noticed with these is that the overlay seems to contain contams. I’ve had quite a few where mold or bacteria goo showed up and the overlay swelled around it so it was kind of like the mold was in the bottom of a bowl and doesn’t spread.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#27482560 - 09/26/21 09:33 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, I did 1:3 spawn:sub with maybe a 1/4" pseudo casing. I also think my particular genetics have less overlay than the one that produces the spaghetti looking mushrooms. I'm quite happy with them, but I'd like to figure out how to get some better pin sets. I'm expecting the second and third flushes will come in a bit heavier than the first as that was my experience last time.
In this bag experiment I've noticed that the bags are producing more than the shoeboxes for what that's worth. They stretch a little but really not much. I had one shoebox in a JCM FC and I was expecting a different pheno due to higher FAE but they looked exactly the same as the rest.
-------------------- PC's LAGM 2021 (TOC & TWC)P. natalensis Growlog 2021Pans for PC Fall 2021 Growlog “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
Edited by PitcherCrab (09/26/21 09:35 AM)
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The bags produce more because there's less water loss. Also using more sub leads to more water which means higher yield.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27483824 - 09/27/21 11:58 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Second flush coming in looking like it will be a good one:
-------------------- PC's LAGM 2021 (TOC & TWC)P. natalensis Growlog 2021Pans for PC Fall 2021 Growlog “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
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Anyone been comparing yields Vs cubensis, got a question from a commercial oyster grower who also sets up cube grows if it was comparable in yields.
Perhaps too early to say
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It seems to be mediocre most of the time but then there’s ones like c10/crack/psilos grows where it spits out some absurd amount like 3oz a quart.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#27483855 - 09/27/21 12:35 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Imo. It is possible but not if you treat them like a regular cube. A good clone with 1/5 spawn/sub ratio and a top layer of 1" seems to be the best way to go about it. But I don't have any data to support this claim.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27483857 - 09/27/21 12:37 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I'm hoping to get numbers done for the wrinkly phenotype aka-1 clone, taking copy plates to grains today.
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This round I've been getting about 15g dry per quart. Nothing too crazy, but if you account for their potency its pretty good. I think its better for the "snake" pheno. The pheno I've got is pretty small.
Edited by PitcherCrab (09/27/21 01:02 PM)
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