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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: One of Us]
    #26713486 - 06/02/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for pointing that out I'll start putting fruit size and yields in my notes.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Grimsweeper] * 1
    #26714547 - 06/02/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Looks decent already. I like how they mesh like gears where they meet.



Probably the fastest growing culture I’ve seen.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #26714585 - 06/02/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Hurry transfer.

And From I think crack has me covered but if not I will pm you. Thanks for the offer. I just don't want to grab up two prints if there are others that want in on the fun!


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Sockadin]
    #26714650 - 06/02/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Sockadin]
    #26714725 - 06/02/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Hurry transfer.

And From I think crack has me covered but if not I will pm you. Thanks for the offer. I just don't want to grab up two prints if there are others that want in on the fun!




No, I just sent the WG and UFO, I can though.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26715076 - 06/02/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My ufo looks like it had a super shitty first flush but it’s blowing up now. Stuff is worse than PE lol.

I’m gonna have to keep these plates in the fridge if this is how fast they grow.

I’ll probably take from the left colony somewhere and the right colony at that fluffy sector from 6-7 just to see what it does.

Have you guys gotten plate pins at all?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #26715103 - 06/02/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I'm waiting for plate pins I've never had one of any species, they dry out first. The fridge doesn't seem to slow natal down much some overgrew through the cling wrap. I pulled 2 plates out that still have condensation hopefully they'll stay wet enough to pin.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26715114 - 06/02/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Hurry transfer.

And From I think crack has me covered but if not I will pm you. Thanks for the offer. I just don't want to grab up two prints if there are others that want in on the fun!




No, I just sent the WG and UFO, I can though.





Hell yeah I will pay freight! I didn't know if you had prints when you sent the care package or not! I got some AmazonxMystery I will send over in return. It's a Amazon crossed with the mystery print that bleeds blue. Never seen anything like it. I have not tried it though.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #26715229 - 06/02/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Have you guys gotten plate pins at all?




I got these two a while ago:


And I just found this big guy yesterday:


And here's a fruit from a sub I dumped outside, sorry if out of focus:


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: One of Us]
    #26715947 - 06/03/20 06:56 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Those outdoor fruits look really good.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: One of Us]
    #26715951 - 06/03/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Here is a side by side showing the diffences in fruits from my normal (non-overlayed, left pic) and my overlaid box on the right.  The fruits on the right have a very thick stipe compared to the left box fruits. Also, the fruits in the box on the right appear to be sterile



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: One of Us]
    #26716181 - 06/03/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah those are much fatter.

Is one cased and that’s why they’re different? Or just happened to turn out like that.


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    #26716407 - 06/03/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Its hard to say for sure. One is cased (on right) and the other isn't, but it could be coincidence/genetics.

One thought is that, since the overlaid box has less fruits, there was more nutrients etc going to each fruit, similar to how later flushes in regular cube grows produce large, but sparse fruits. But the fruits in the box on the right are all sporeless too which is interesting.

All three of my boxes came from the same plate, but I don't think this variety(or species :shrug: ) is very stable yet, so there is still plenty of genetic diversity.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: One of Us]
    #26716478 - 06/03/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I think this variety may just love indoor casings. If you think about it, the myclieum is the fungus and the fruits are the reproductive response for survival. I bet they would fruit better with some form of stress response. Like open air fruiting and no casing layer. Almost like a dryer cube environment.

Just my hypothesis based on all of your grows.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26716524 - 06/03/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You'll be trying it soon sock


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26716548 - 06/03/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Excellent write up Frank.  And a thread I think folks interested in casing should bookmark for sure.

This is what I have memorized from somewhere, maybe TMC, regarding the function of a casing- so maybe it does not have to be so mysterious....

Casings do this:

1. Protect colonized substrate from drying out.
2. Provide a microclimate favorable for primordia formation.
3. Provide moisture for mushroom growth.
4. Promotes stimulation of pinning by signaling mycellium it is out of nutrition and time to reproduce.

Cubes do not require a casing to fruit at all. But there can definitely be a benefit in certain circumstances.

I do see people use sterilized casing material, but I am an advocate of proper pasteurization, unless I am using Jiffy Mix...then I just dump it outta the bag onto my project, shake around til its even, and mist it down.  I don't like the organic because I do have pH issues with it, the non organic seems to be better buffered-could be a local issue. Plus the organic costs a little more.

On a side note however, many edibles require application of a "non sterile" casing.  Like your common button mushroom actually requires more more microlife in the casing (all I have ever grown are cubes), as it will not fruit with a sterile casing layer.

Here's my other two cents on casing:

A casing is ready to fruit when mycelium is barely poking out of about 80% of the surface of the casing. The casing layer should not be allowed to become fully colonized. If one area is colonized faster than other areas, simply apply a patch of casing to that area while the rest of the project catches up. This is commonly known as "patching" a casing.

If a casing becomes fully colonized is subject to overlay. Overlay is the condition which results when mycelium has been allowed to completely cover the casing surface. It is caused by prolonged vegetative growth temperatures, high CO2 levels, and excessive humidity. If over watered, the overlay will become matted, or, will form a dense, dead layer of cells on the casing surface.

A casing showing signs of overlay will begin to shrink and pull away from the sides of the container. It will also become unreceptive to water, and puddles may form on the surface after misting. If any pinheads form, they will likely do so at the edges of the casing. Most of the pinheads will abort, and only a few mushrooms will fully mature. Once this has happened, the casing layer really isn't a casing layer anymore. It is no longer serving it's  main functions, and has in essence become a second layer of non-nutritious substrate.




This is one of my favorite quotes about casing layers and I'm thinking that this might apply to casing Nats as well. If it really is a new species of actives, it might benefit from treating as a new species and preventing overlay via patching.

Quite stolen from Frank Horrigans 50/50 jiffy casing Tek.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Sockadin]
    #26716703 - 06/03/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

For some reason everytime they said pinheads I think of the guy from hell raiser. Just imagine him forming on the edge and then aborting.


Maybe I’ll try a medium thick casing at 100% but keep it wet with a fan on it so there’s just a crazy amount of air/evaporation happening.

Idk why but I’m really ready to get experimental with this one.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #26716723 - 06/03/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Sand... I'm saying mix sand into your casing. I have no idea why this will work, but it's a theory.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Sockadin]
    #26716731 - 06/03/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

lol I’m in I’ll hit the park down the street and pc a jar.

For some reason I’m convinced the hardwood pellets will do something.

Based on nothing and making no logical sense.

If anything seems like manure and straw will be the one that does something better but that’s no fun.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
    #26716783 - 06/03/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I'm thinking at some point I'm sure they were found on poop. But it came from a Sandy area of the coast of South Africa. Sand and poop? :highfive:


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