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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Krip] * 3
    #26415253 - 01/03/20 09:53 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Grow them just like any cube.
I run mine on straight coir.For my tubs/shoeboxes-2myco quarts of grain to 2,5quarts coir just under field capacity.All my tubs are done pastywhyte https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26298400#26298400
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26415540 - 01/04/20 05:56 AM (4 years, 24 days ago)

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Grow them just like any cube.
I run mine on straight coir.For my tubs/shoeboxes-2myco quarts of grain to 2,5quarts coir just under field capacity.All my tubs are done pastywhyte https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26298400#26298400
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Those look like cubensis. How have you determined they're Natalensis?


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Hillbillyjohn]
    #26509504 - 02/29/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'm getting some crazy overlay on these but from what I've read it's pretty typical and will still fruit. 2 shoeboxes I'm debating scraping one/casing or a portion to see what effect it has. Anyone else fruit these or have overlay like this?



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Grimsweeper] * 1
    #26521844 - 03/07/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm getting some crazy overlay on these but from what I've read it's pretty typical and will still fruit. 2 shoeboxes I'm debating scraping one/casing or a portion to see what effect it has. Anyone else fruit these or have overlay like this?





Looks perfect I would not touch the surface. I e noticed the Myc is super fuzzy and almost grows in spheres and takes just a bit longer to fruit. I definitely wouldn’t scrape it

Also yeah the mycelium does not behave like cube myc at all. I wouldn’t be all that surprised to learn that it is just a weird ass cube like penis envy but all of my natal tubs have been tall and skinny, lacking veils, and have some pretty odd gill attachment for a cube. I’ve done around 6/7 tubs and the results are pretty consistent.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: skyfox] * 2
    #26541154 - 03/17/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So my overlay continues with a twist. I've tried a couple different things, stripping the overlay, casing one tub and not the other, etc.. It just eats right through Jiffy mix and overlays again. Some of it stiffens a little kinda like blobs but most of it is extremely soft almost like cotton.


I started getting some random fruits in open areas and sides so I stripped it again to clear a path and check this out..



All that mess bruised heavily so it must be active. It's kinda gross and I have tons of mush so I'm not at liberty to bioassay it but it's interesting anyway.

I'm going to clone some fruits in hope to get something more "fruitible" and hopefully get a 2nd flush on the new stripped surface.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Grimsweeper] * 1
    #26547043 - 03/20/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

These things sure aren't like any cube I've seen before. Kinda has a veil kinda doesn't. Theres a slight remnant of something where the caps pulled away halfway down the stem and they keep growing from there. Tried to watch for spore color but they never dropped before they started getting wonky. Hope I can do better with these with some clones. As screwy as the blob mess is the fruits are really cool.



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Solipsis] * 2
    #26556257 - 03/25/20 01:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not sure why but these intrigue me it's like a beautiful disaster. I'm challenged to fix it.


My clone plates are showing puffy and wispy growth so I'm going to treat them like pans and transfer the wispy side and see if it helps with the blob/overlay.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Grimsweeper] * 2
    #26557719 - 03/25/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Haha! Fix what exactly, the situation / conundrum, or the kinda chaotic growth?

Btw what is your FAE like in that martha? Low enough to fully explain the lankiness? :blush:

So to sum up it seems these are main questions:

- Is this Natal Super Strength strain actually conspecific with the strain/species found (twice) and described in Mycotaxon (I will attach the article and the photos posted by John Allen.)? This is really a requirement to work on this issue and verify or disprove it being a separate species.
- If conspecific (which is NOT to say cubensis being conspecific with natalensis, but merely that NSS appears to be misadvertised as a cube)..., it seems to me that we might all agree on one possibility which is that it might have originated from cubensis and became a really idiosyncratic strain, perhaps due to vicariance idk. (Or cubensis developed out of it lmao xD).. ok all that might sound weird but my point here is what i basically stated before: sounds like the skepticism voiced here could be about whether or not there is reproductive isolation? Because its ancestor could be cubensis without it being a cubensis anymore.
(Take cultivated enoki mushrooms for example... not the same species anymore as the one in the wild it originated from.)
- Or there may be characteristics which somehow defy descriptors of cubensis so much that we just cannot call it an unusually weird variety anymore. Honestly I don't understand taxonomy well enough to make that call.

I'd like those matters addressed, otherwise it seems like a good reason to pick it up in Advanced Mycology.

Maybe a pro mycologist could take a look at the description of natalensis in Mycotaxon to tell us something about possible conspecificity with cubensis.



Can I assume there shouldn't be a problem sharing this? It was already shared publicly elsewhere.

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Solipsis] * 1
    #26559140 - 03/26/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Solipsis they're lanky because that's how they roll the Martha cycles 3 min every 15.

What I hope to fix is all the crazy wasted growth that's not generating fruits. I speculate it's a combination of culture work and figuring out what it needs environmentally.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Grimsweeper] * 2
    #26559252 - 03/26/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)


This was MS no Martha, just unmodified tub:shrug: idrk how to explain the difference in yield between you and I grim

Also the gill attachment is what makes me believe that this isn’t a cube. Or maybe just a weird as fuck cube


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: skyfox] * 1
    #26583669 - 04/07/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My spawn tub was fully colonized in 10 days, I then added it at 1:3 ratio coir/vermiculite (50/50 tek*) in monotub. Holes are taped up at the moment. Its been 4 days and looking good. Any advice on when to take the next step. Do i wait until fully white on top . Thanks .

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: skyfox] * 4
    #26590100 - 04/10/20 02:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys, I wanna get in on this. Running natalensis myself. Here's my last shoebox and my current shoebox.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Crackatoa] * 1
    #26597401 - 04/13/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This shit is crazy. Spawned this shoebox yesterday.


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Solipsis] * 1
    #26602315 - 04/15/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

We've got pinning, spawned on the 1st

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Crackatoa] * 2
    #26603943 - 04/15/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The myc just looks awesome, can't wait to see the fruit!





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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: One of Us] * 1
    #26604955 - 04/16/20 06:21 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I harvested my tub about a week ago. Very potent.
Also labeled as Natal Super Strength from a South African vendor.
Took one month from inoculating jars to harvest. Mycelium growth was super fast and aggressive.
Any consensus if these are just another cube? Natalensis sounds way cooler than Natal Super Strength.



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Momorush] * 1
    #26605810 - 04/16/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

How much did you dose? I haven't tried it yet.


Zero fucks given with a jiffy casing 2 days ago. Eats right through it like its coir.



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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Momorush] * 1
    #26609320 - 04/17/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hoping they start getting taller

Next jar I'm going G2G

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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Crackatoa] * 1
    #26614508 - 04/20/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Right before first picking, took 2 clones

Another box, pins at 12 days uncased and no top layer


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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: poisoned] * 1
    #26624862 - 04/24/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Got another blob fest but left it alone this time. Getting some fruits pushing through meow.



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