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Stranger Registered: 06/03/19 Posts: 312 |
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Ok guys i have so many thoughts on this! I wont state them all now cause i want to get a discussion going and see what it means to you.
Personally the study of the universe and the study of the spirit are the same. Thats the main thing i get from it. We are made in gods image i dont think that means he is sitting on a throne somewhere with 2 legs 2 arms (maybe 4 for hindu's haha) and a head. I think we are made from "him" we inherit everything thoughts feelings emotions both good and bad. I think most of it is love but our amnesia causes the problems. One more note from a hindu story i think its Vishnu that sleeps on the milky way and Brahma grows from him to create. Then shiva apears as a light beam going up and down neither vishnu or brahma can find the ends of it. To me vishnu sounds like the milkyway plane. Bramha grows out and starts creating the earth right? Now wouldnt shiva sound like the light jets emanating from the black hole at the center of the galaxy. kali being the black hole. shiva/kali are the ultimate recyclers! Thats kinda what a black hole does......Now were these stories by the ancients to describe what they knew to be in the sky? OR is everything alive even a black hole is inteligent and as shiva says .....in the end everything disolves into me. More thoughts to come but figured this might start a convo with some of you
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Lawful Good Registered: 11/27/19 Posts: 1,106 Loc: Tennessee |
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As the rebels were purged from heaven, let the rebels be purged from earth
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Stranger Registered: 02/19/18 Posts: 419 Last seen: 3 years, 11 months |
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Broad and sufficient framing.
![]() Glad to see the new year is awakening minds. You've captured the essence of things essentially with correct and uncanny reference. This reference can be applied to other ancient religions and schools of thought. As it will in this age. People will draw very similar references and conclusions for what is to come. There are lots of new things to progress towards and this will occur when the concept you just presented and a range of other abstract concepts are grounded and manifested. It is on the tip of a number of people's tongues and the numbers will increase. People will utter a similar framing. It is on the tip of a number of people's fingers and the numbers will increase. People will also begin to manifest similarly. Converging towards : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka It spells an end of an age but also the birth of a new age. ![]() For, just as there is a birth of an age. There is a middle portion. And an end... For which it begins. This understanding can be gathered across a sufficient number of ages, and it has a hallmark structure/pattern to it. So, while the ancients had an awareness and a 'view' of it, it wasn't as refined as it is on our age or at this stage of progress. So to will be said of us 10,000 years into the future. We exist along a chain... Were neither at the beginning or end ever. And from the middle, we are able to look to the past, take in the present, and have sufficient awareness of what is to come in the near future. Towards the close of the prior age, an allotment and sufficient knowledge were provided for 'observation' such that and from which the new age will be forged. Many has many questions and mysteries it has yet to discover. This new age will frame and cultivate them. Over time, blurry pictures/understanding are refined into crisp features. Once sufficiently scoped, we move on to a period of new abstraction/reasoning so as to frame and work towards a new broader view which will necessitate subsequent refinement. The cycles of time are ever present and clear. This is what ancient religions and knowledgebases were on about.
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Stranger Registered: 02/19/18 Posts: 419 Last seen: 3 years, 11 months |
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Quote: Misinterpreted and dogmatic view. Revelations isn't the end of the world. It reflects the end of an 'age' and the death of an age's thought/ideology so as to birth new thought. This has occurred before, is about to occur again, and will continue occurring. Christianity nor any religion has an accurate/precise framing as none among man has a crystal ball else they'd be God. Things are framed/foreshadowed at the beginning of an age but the water in which they are caste is murky and muddy so as to allow for chance, will, and possibility. Over the course of an age, the waters are explored and cleared so as to arrive at a new age/framing. Revelations (reveals and a decimation of dogmatic framing) occurs in the conclusion of an age and the birth of a new one. The 'heavens' are purged in this way. Ignorance dispelled. Religion have existed and evolved for as long as man was able to reason about the outside world. No religion/dogma lasts forever for nothing in "God's" universe is impervious to truth. All things eventually yield to it. The lies of an age are eventually revealed (Revelations). One indeed ultimately dams themselves for an age if, in a period of revelation of immutable truth, they stick to and hold tightly a dying age's lies. One most focus on seeing the world and truth as it is not as they want it to be and not as others have framed it in a time's past. As the bible so forewarns itself : "Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the. way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it." Many 'believers' fall into this passage and it a passage of critique for the religion itself as it is an immutable truth. The broad consensus is not always the truth or way. It often is the lower path. This goes for broad mainstream ways of life, broad mainstream media, pop culture, and popular interpretations of religion. A person is in no way spiritually awake if they subscribe to the idea that a particular religious doctrine is the end all be all truth. Religions evolve with our understanding, scientific progress, philosophical progress, and awareness. They will always represent a time tested murky compilation of 'truths'.. with a land mind of lies. Revelations at the end of a age, is a revealing of what was truth from what was lies. There will be tons of truths found in popularized religions as well as tons of lies among other things. The self-damnation ,for an age, comes from the rejection of this more crystallized truth... For many will move on towards higher paths equipped with a powerful new truth while others will grip tight the dogma/lies. Those that recognize and accept the higher truth because they prepared for it in the prior age will be in a higher 'world' than those who choose to squander the age, mistake the revelation, and thus live in a lower 'world'.
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Stranger Registered: 06/03/19 Posts: 312 |
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The new age i think will be very much about experience. Religion allows us to worship the divine plants allow us to experience it! Not saying there arent other ways to experience it but things will be about the experience it. As i said god is not sitting far away on a throne he is in all of us WE ARE THE THRONE! he wants us to experience life!
I believe different religions and ideas are presented at different times to further the progression of the cycle. Many gods went to one god. many people are on the way to becoming ONE people. (as above so below.) The hindu idea of different faces all being one is closer to the truth. As mentioned truth comes in pieces and evolves the cycle Another little idea i like is if you look at a graphic at what the brain and neurons look like. Then look at The BIGGEST map of the universe itself with all the filaments of galaxy's they look amazingly similar (as above so below) I think of it as each of us are a thought in the living intelligent universe
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Stranger Registered: 02/19/18 Posts: 419 Last seen: 3 years, 11 months |
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Quote: ![]() Indeed. A new age centered on : - Experience - Action - Manifestation - Fulfillment We already have all of the workable understanding we need. Now comes the manifestation of it.
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Divineress Registered: 12/25/11 Posts: 870 Loc: Puget Sound/PNW Last seen: 1 year, 10 months |
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Quote:It's apparent that self-damnation results in people falling to a lower realm due to the 'weight' of their sins, but whether the punishment lasts longer than a single age is unclear to me. From what I've seen for myself, damned persons suffer until their negative karma is 'burned away', and this is what results in the 'second death'. At the end of this punishment cycle the hell realm is 'emptied' of the dead. Only one such realm was in my line of sight at the time I observed this, but it's likely that there are lower levels. Whether this 'emptying' leads to annihilation or rebirth is not clear to me. Likely it would be rebirth, because it's known that samsara continues until one ascends beyond the cycles of death and rebirth. (moksha) -------------------- "An ignorant man is lost, faithless, and filled with self-doubt; A soul that harbors doubt has no joy, not in this world or the next." -Bhagavad-gita 4:40
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Stranger Registered: 02/19/18 Posts: 419 Last seen: 3 years, 11 months |
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Quote: Well use, this is a common personal and micro version of 'self-damnation'. It occurs at a smaller scale with reversible potential within days, years, decades, etc. When I spoke of damnation of an age I was referring to a pronounced development that springs forth broader beliefs/ideologies that linger and last for generations and across say a thousand years or so. I don't believe you get 'one trip' through earth. So, if you screw up sufficiently at the beginning of an age, I do believe that in sufficient reincarnation, that you continue to make mistakes that lower/self-dam you until you 'catch on' t a higher path. Quote: Death and life are abstractions that are not practically but not fully understood. Same goes for sin and levels of 'damnation' of sorts. The devils in the details as to how many layers and scales it pervades and I don't myself have finite and concise answers here. Quote: Yeah, i hear this framing and observe it in various religions but have my own personal take. I believe, for the most part, all of this happens on earth through reincarnation cycles. Screw up enough in one life, and you are reincarnated and damned in another. 'Progress and gain knowledge/understanding' and you are propelled to a next level and so on and so farth. No fire and brimstone. No eternal hell/heaven paradise. Rather, a long journey of 'enlightenment' through activity and progress on earth. Indeed, there is likely a state in which you transcend life/death but no one has the right capture of what this is like. Perpetual damnation... In my mind, reincarnating at earth at the same level because you keep screwing up is sufficient suffering. There's no need for an eternal hell construct.. Earth is hellish enough. Maybe you simply get punted to a better solar system/galaxy if you ascend a certain planets pinnacle construct. That'd be fitting and fair. I don't buy into eternal states though. Everything is always in motion and dynamic. For instance, our Solar System is traveling at an average speed of 230 km/s (828,000 km/h) or 143 mi/s (514,000 mph) within its trajectory around the galactic center. Our space station moves through lower earth orbit at 17,500 miles per hour). Our milky-way is 100,000 light years across. The nearest galaxy is 2 million light years away. Yeah, were not the only ones in our Universe and there are clear intelligent restrictions that bar us within long time scales of sufficiently reaching anyone else. So, our butts are here living out and progressing through our karma cycles until we progress beyond this planet/solar system/galaxy/etc. There's enough in our Universe structured in intelligent and methodical ways to deal with abstractions such as heaven/hell .. When a lot of these religions were formed, they knew nothing of great detail about how space was structured. So, there's no need for me, at this point in our understanding to revert to older abstractions. I instead, see the forward and present references.
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Divineress Registered: 12/25/11 Posts: 870 Loc: Puget Sound/PNW Last seen: 1 year, 10 months |
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Quote:Hell and heaven certainly aren't eternal states. Heaven seems more like a joyful waiting area for rebirth, and hell as a painful purging in preparation for rebirth. As for the ones who have transcended the cycle of death and rebirth, only the ascended know. It seems there are only a few handfuls of souls who have achieved this. From what Buddha said, human birth is quite rare. It seems that the body we're born into is the reaping of what we've sown from past lives, with karma potentially acting as a sort of currency for this body selection process. Human birth is considered very special because of the intelligence and free will of humans, which strongly enhances karma for better or worse. Karma depends on one's actions, and one's actions are influenced by one's motivations. -------------------- "An ignorant man is lost, faithless, and filled with self-doubt; A soul that harbors doubt has no joy, not in this world or the next." -Bhagavad-gita 4:40
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Stranger Registered: 02/19/18 Posts: 419 Last seen: 3 years, 11 months |
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Quote: I've enjoyed where this exchange has took things. I whole-fully agree with the above.
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Stranger Registered: 06/03/19 Posts: 312 |
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karma might work on the scale of life times but i think it can work daily as well. I had a experience that kinda mimicked psychosis after a bad trip. Now this might sound a little crazy (i kinda like my crazy thinking tho) but in this psychosis at first the spirit had gotten very evil telling me i was going to do some very bad things. But somehow this evil was for my benefit (to put the brakes on psychedelics for a while) But when things got better a little birdie told me it was part of clearing my karma. And this is one of the weird parts when i did good things for myself one day the next day this "psychosis" was much better. But if i was lazy or did bad things well things got rough the next day. Hey this might just be a psychosis but things have gotten better so shit i guess if i can pull something positive to motivate me thats all that matters. Maybe i needed a ass kicking to realize i need to start taking care of myself more. The best way to change things is at a indivual level and then let other catch on...when you try to change masses of people at once people fight back and thats no good for any of us.
Some Buddhist think enlightenment takes many incarnations. So this would mean you would have to happen to have enough incarnations where your in the position to wake up over and over again. I wonder if there is a quicker way can one be enlightened and clear his karma in one lifetime? I guess the answer is we dont know cause we dont remember the past lives but would love to know what you guys think on it
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Psychophysiologist Registered: 03/02/15 Posts: 8,006 Loc: Now O'Clock Last seen: 28 days, 3 hours |
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There is no separation between "inner" and "outer".
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Stranger Registered: 06/03/19 Posts: 312 |
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Quote: This i agree strongly with as alan watts says the idea of ME being enclosed in a bag of skin is a hallucination....Its just one thing... I once heard the idea that i like of us being like blood cells meaning the blood cells dont know they are a part of the body they just do what they do however we are aware of them being part of us. I think most people are like that they just dont understand we are ONE being.....i would think of us as the hands not the blood tho But hey maybe the blood does know its us. kinda goes with my post of the bigest picture of the universe looking like a brain functioning. maybe the universe is a repeating scale inside our body is the entire universe just a "smaller" scale and in that a even smaller scale to infinity....its weird to think of things like this cause we are so conditioned. But the fact that our community and even meditation comunities and yoga communities all come up with the same "hallucinations" says something VERY important. IF our "helpers" were just inducing hallucinations how come they are all so similar why dont we see random things like a octopus on rollar skates smoking a joint riding down the sidewalk ![]() Some science see's our alkaloids as the plant evolving to kill bugs. I think either the plants just love us that much! Or they were engineered for us and placed in plants to ensure they stay around. All of humanity evolved with them i think our first thoughts of god (maybe before caveman days) were due to them eating these plants. If they evolved US then they shouldnt be deamonized!. IF it was just to poison bugs wouldnt it just make us sick? why does it make us think about all these wonderfull things.
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Scoundrel Registered: 10/25/10 Posts: 1,288 Last seen: 1 year, 11 months |
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It means you’ve got your head up your ass. People without souls don’t have to worry about this...
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Stranger Registered: 02/19/18 Posts: 419 Last seen: 3 years, 11 months |
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Quote: Yeah, i believe it works along a range of different time scales. So, yes. I believe what you just stated as well. Quote: I don't believe its that active.. rather a passive construct of the universe. If you act with negative energy, that's what you attract.. Negativity also blinds you to higher positive roads.. So, if you keep running down lower roads, eventually you're going to face off with similar things. Not more complicated than that. Would be a waste of energy on a higher power to intervene/act directly. Instead, it's just a universal law/principal that acts like gravity... : > Jump off something and you'll fall > Play stupid games.. win stupid prizes > Play with the odds, eventually be victim of them... But indeed, we learn a lot and grow alot when we fall. Nothing wrong with that.. however, if you continue to not learn when you fall.. things get bad and ugly. Quote: Well, enlightenment is a 'state of mind' and with incarnations there is left-over state and karma... It is all reasonable and fair when you run it through. No shortcuts... no cheats. Quote: Simple answer would be 'no'... nothing supports that. Also, when you look at things closely enough or have enough access you start to see those that "have it good" really don't. A lot of rich people are sad and lonely types who aren't happy. They dedicate most of their life after-all to money and success vs experience and life. Those who introspect and reflect more are often far more happy as they come to understand the essence of things and life. Thus the whole ideology of leaving behind the 'typical' life. Enlightenment is the art of being in the moment and generating the outer world in the inner. Once you learn and tap into that, you see the lessor nature of always attempting to act/gain in the real world. In your own head, there is no friction. However, if you attempt to manifest there is. So why do people sacrifice so much to do this? Well, for worldly gain. So, indeed one of the first steps of being a monk is letting go of that world because the point is to see that you can generate it and fulfillment all on your own. This can be said over and over and a person listening and even trying many times can 'realize' it... which highlights that there really are no shortcuts. Even when given the key, a person is unable to tap into it. Shows you all you need to know. So again, if even when given the keys (shortcuts), a person can't use it until they put in the work/effort, its doubtful you can use more advanced keys nor are those given
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Stranger Registered: 02/19/18 Posts: 419 Last seen: 3 years, 11 months |
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Quote: We are one and the ethos/thinking that follows from that is pretty accessible to even the lowest of brain function individual. They get it they often times just dont want to make the sacrifices needed to 'realize it'. People often 'get things'. They just pretend to play dumb or reject acting because it would require sacrifice on their behalf. People get not to throw trash on the ground or treat others like shit because it comes back to them. They simply don't care or convince themselves it wont because in the moment they deem it beneficial to be a dickbag. Ultimately, if you play this game for long enough, the universe will evolved past you though. So, I don't see this being a good outcome for humanity this late in the game. Keep being dickbags and playing stupid and human beings might find themselves in a literal 'matrix' where they can do that as much as they want.... Kinda want modern society actually is ... A twisted fucked up virtual reality overlaying reality filled with people's fucked up and subjective idiocy. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Also, your inner world aint the outer. If there's a wall in front of you, you can tell yourself whatever you want.. if you go charging at it, you're gonna get fucked up. To directly comment, no.. the inner world you chose is not reality.. and it is not often times another person's reality. We were given that gift/curse. So, for all intents purposes, you are a separate entity acting ofc as you see fit. Were not in the same body. Don't share much. We can get on the same page in reality by embracing the truth and reality but how often do people do this vs choosing their own bullshit version for whatever reason. I think this ethos had a good run. I don't think it has much weight on humanity's progress going forward though. We've run that concept to its productive limits. I think for entertainment, have at subjective inner world reality. However, for real world function, this is where I muse that computers/AI are going to start taking over because humans simply don't know how to act nor when they do know how to act, do they act properly.
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Psychophysiologist Registered: 03/02/15 Posts: 8,006 Loc: Now O'Clock Last seen: 28 days, 3 hours |
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Quote: I legit LOL'd at this point; can you explain what you mean here? My laughter wasn't to provoke; seeing your post after the long ones above is just perfect, lol. Elucidate a bit? Thank you in advance
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Stranger Registered: 06/03/19 Posts: 312 |
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Quote: You truely belive some dont have or arent a soul? Alot of these ideas i present are to start a discussion. heres the deal. these ideas came to mind some i thought literal at times most have evolved into a metaphor. The scale universe being a brain and more scale in our brain is a example i thought about it litterly for a while. Now do i think there is a tiny NY or CA or FL somehwere floating around in my brain....no probilly not think of it as a metaphor Some of my thoughts are ever evolving and probilly always will be however my core belief's have all lead me in one direction. And even tho things are evolving always i think there is a core truth to everything. Now i am not going to come here and state EXACTLY what i think to be true. Because being told something is totally different than having thoughts evolve into a belief on there own. There is NOTHING i could tell you that would mean NEARLY as much as YOU coming into your own belief yourself. That process is special and will mean so much more to you than just being told something is true. How many Catholics are all told so many stories are absolute and how many actually believe all of them? How come buddist very rarely tell what enlightenment is but teach the process. How many that get to the end of the process TRUELY believe that is the truth? much higher % than when your simply told something. My hope is you guys start a discussion both together and with yourselves and figure it out on your own. IT IS SOOOO MUCH MORE SPECIAL THAT WAY!
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Scoundrel Registered: 10/25/10 Posts: 1,288 Last seen: 1 year, 11 months |
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I guess what I’m saying is, the part of you that is like god can be usurped by other parts of yourself when you’re focused on the wrong things.
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Stranger Registered: 02/19/18 Posts: 419 Last seen: 3 years, 11 months |
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Quote: I personally try not to get into such abstractions.... However, yes... It is clear to me that some people have less of an 'awareness' than others. Kind of like how a dog obviously is less 'aware' of things than a human. In this more obvious distinction is the exampling of a spectrum that likely exists to a lessor degree with humans. Some people are clearly not aware, they can navigate through life easier because a lot of stuff doesn't register. Kind of like how a dickbag or a bitch can go on behaving so self-destructively and destructive to others without much impact on their person.. It's because its not even registering... they're not aware. There's tons of other tell tale signs. Quote: This man gets it ! ![]() Quote: As the saying goes, it's about the journey not the destination. Quote: Eastern religions are more centered on theology and spirituality/spiritual development and package them far better than western religions. One is to cultivate... Another is to align. Quote: Don't be shy my dude
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Stranger Registered: 06/03/19 Posts: 312 |
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Ok see the less aware less focused i get!! ill be the 1st to admit i was a dickbag with self destructive behavior and hurt others around me without caring much...Doesnt mean i DIDNT have a soul or wasnt a soul. i just didnt even care to think about it. That i get!.
Some here know i was a heroin addict for 10 years! I now have been on methadone for 10 years with no heroin (trying to taper off methadone now) at first i was dead sober and my addictive ways didnt change i just found something semi productive to use my addiction with. i had played with lsd a lil and mdma in my youth. but never used it as medicine. I was still content on being on methadone the rest of my life. When i did get involved with psychs again things changed at first it was just exploring and i started to notice changes as far as treating other life right...1 example sounds stupid but i was proud of it. Instead of just smushing a bug i found in the house i felt for it and decided to put it out the window. I actually thought about not killing something that alot of people would say didnt matter. like i said sounds stupid but i was proud of that! Problem was i started to let my addiction get the best of me again and used psychs way to much and for the wrong reasons. It actually took me breaking myself and going into the most evil psychosis ever ( i wont even put into words what the voice in my head was telling me i was going to do) it was bad! real bad. I was completely broken and felt the "psychedelic spirits" taught me so much that i wasnt listening to as i got distracted because of addiction. I felt they had given up on me and i almost gave up on myself. I am doing much better now but the psychosis is still fresh in the mind. Anyway it took complete brokenness for me to realize i had to go back to my original intent with these things to learn. The first changes that occured where i cared about other things (like that bug) BUT not myself. Being that broken let me tell you it makes you care about YOU! I am amazed i made it through it. And now i know that the spirit didnt give up on me! I will say that "psychedelic honeymoon" is over it probilly lasted way to long! So now learning to love myself just as much as everything else. And that includes taking a break from things! So now trying to put all the lessons into action. Anyway so far i have been going at this alone. everyone around my area is still a heroin addict so no people to share with or talk to about this. So that is why i wanted to start this discussion. To talk though ideas see what others think. But again what i have learned through psychedelic experience is so special. Getting to what was for me the core truth was absolutely AMAZING and i am so happy no one gave away the secret! Experiencing that secret for yourself is quite possibly the best experience of my life!
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Stranger Registered: 02/19/18 Posts: 419 Last seen: 3 years, 11 months |
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Quote: Happy to hear you're on a better road. 'Awareness' is the choice word I focused on. I don't like using wildly misunderstood abstractions or to go deeper than what needs to be. Drugs all work the same fundamental way in different degrees and towards different targets. Ultimately they alter one's running state. People have lots of stuff tucked away in their brain, when you take certain substances it brings it out. You also have many autonomous biological systems that will respond to these changes and thus render different realities. Is what it is and perfectly grounded in explainable science. There you are at the seat of it most times. One person's experience isn't another's. One person's chemical balance isn't another's. One person's response and experience isn't another's... And ultimately, it is short lived Which is why one should seek things and still has to in their natural sober life to achieve anything of longer lasting value. A dickbag getting his ass beat is equivalent many times to taking such a powerful drug. Life doles out many lessons along certain paths. Good thread thus far. It's a long journey towards understanding, you have some good bearings so far. Keep putting in the hard work and dedicating time to things that matter. Awareness is a good thing. It allows you to take in more with less effort. It's a skill that requires cultivation and practice and opens one to a whole new world.
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I mean, it was probably originally a recognition of seasons and astrological calendars.
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Stranger Registered: 06/03/19 Posts: 312 |
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Yeh for me its time to "mesh" what i learned into my time outside the space. I guess thats called integration i forgot that part for a little while
for me its just about being productive and having variety in my life. Wether good or bad i seem to get sucked very deep into something then move on and go into something else. When i do that what ever i am involved in i drop everything else. So learning to handle multiple parts of life at the same time is rough for mecurious what you guys think....are there different soul groups? even if there are they would still be incorperated into the all. But do you think there are different types of souls or souls from different places that all agree to incarnate human? Or is it all just one? Quote: Personally i think this is part of it. Yes it obvious that things above us are in a certain place when certain seasons happen here. But i think it goes a little farther that that. In my opinion the universe seems to dance as one everything has multiple meanings
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Din of Doom Registered: 12/21/08 Posts: 6,265 Loc: ADK |
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follower Registered: 06/10/19 Posts: 203 Last seen: 2 years, 3 months |
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As above so below:
"Our father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, On earth, as it is in Heaven." - Matthew 6:10 Essentially, everything happening on earth is going on in the heavenly kingdom. Just as there are people down here rebelling against their Creator, there are legions of angels in heaven rebelling as well... and for the same reason... we want to be like God ourselves instead of being under His authority. 'As Above So Below' generally speaks to the fractal nature of reality. The same pattern is repeating at micro and macro scales, like the branching of a tree. This fractal nature is demonstrated wonderfully throughout the entire Holy Bible. The same story pattern is repeating over and over again at all different scales. -------------------- "Who do you say that I am?" - Jesus quoted in the Gospel of Matthew
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Freak in the forest Registered: 05/09/08 Posts: 5,744 Last seen: 3 years, 1 month |
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Quote: The using up of karmas in the hell realm are not the same as the second death in the last judgment as in the christian religion. The Buddha also speaks of a very similar thing in his sermon of the seven suns, the lower realms and those in them are burnt away by a fire (same terminology as abrahamic religions) that consumes the lower worlds and only those who have "seen the path" are saved. Both Buddhism and the Abrahamic religions talk of an annihilation for the beasties and sinners. Islam in particular talks very explicitly about it being a permanent sleep. Hinduism is apparently at odds with this in claiming that all will make it in the end. Personally I don't really know what to make of it, but that's how the claims appear to stand to me. -------------------- Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. "Chat your fraff Chat your fraff Just chat your fraff Chat your fraff"
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Freak in the forest Registered: 05/09/08 Posts: 5,744 Last seen: 3 years, 1 month |
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Quote: You might be correct in terms of what that phrase means but the phrase Heaven has a dual meaning in christianity. It can mean higher realms but it also refers to the highest realm, taking on the same meaning as Nirvana or Moksha. I believe that this is what the term refers to here and there can supposedly be no falling from that realm as at that point the will of god is all that remains, one is entirely centered in self. It's questionably how useful all this old religious philosophy is in the modern age though. And following it doesn't seem to have brought about any golden age so far but mostly just more confusion and delusion.
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follower Registered: 06/10/19 Posts: 203 Last seen: 2 years, 3 months |
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Quote: There is nothing new under the sun. We're on the same spiritual battleground as ancient man. If anything, the modern age is one of the darkest in all of history. Where is the truth today? We run screaming from it whenever it appears. We scurry into our dark holes to consume our lusts, hissing at the one who reflected light at us. Quote: This world is destined for total destruction. The earth will melt away as a body on a burnt altar. In the Holy Bible, you can see pictures of the end of the world in various judgments upon ancient cities and nations, including Israel herself. As Above So Below. In the Old Testament Book of Joshua, you can see a fractal image of the end of the world, where the world is represented by the city Jericho. The Israelites circling the city walls 7 days before Jericho's utter destruction, echoing the 7 seals, vials, and trumpet blasts in the Book of Revelation. Of course, since this is a fractal pattern, the image of Salvation is included. Before Jericho is destroyed, the house of Rahab is marked by a "Scarlet cord" (which is a symbol of the blood of the Lamb, blood of Jesus).. and everyone found in that house is spared from destruction. Just as, in the end, the greater Jericho (the whole world itself), will be laid to waste... ... and it is only those people who surrendered to God and hid themselves in the body and under the scarlet blood of Jesus Christ who will be saved from the fire. -------------------- "Who do you say that I am?" - Jesus quoted in the Gospel of Matthew
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Freak in the forest Registered: 05/09/08 Posts: 5,744 Last seen: 3 years, 1 month |
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Quote: That's really my point. If this is where following all that leads then how much value can it really have? People were obsessed by living by it for centuries. Of course the holy men will say it's because we didn't follow it properly or something but I remain unconvinced. -------------------- Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. "Chat your fraff Chat your fraff Just chat your fraff Chat your fraff"
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Stranger Registered: 06/03/19 Posts: 312 |
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What about god making us? did he make us from something seperate from him to rule over? Like some ideas of a god sitting on a throne ruling over his kingdom? OR Did he make us from him. Are we part of him. Like the universe itself being alive and god being the ultimate conscious being knowing all. And everything else is part of him and is conscious on thier own level. just as we have different parts of our body are we included in god or seperate but connected to everything but the creator?
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