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As above so below What does it mean to YOU 1
#26414073 - 01/03/20 10:32 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok guys i have so many thoughts on this! I wont state them all now cause i want to get a discussion going and see what it means to you.
Personally the study of the universe and the study of the spirit are the same. Thats the main thing i get from it. We are made in gods image i dont think that means he is sitting on a throne somewhere with 2 legs 2 arms (maybe 4 for hindu's haha) and a head. I think we are made from "him" we inherit everything thoughts feelings emotions both good and bad. I think most of it is love but our amnesia causes the problems.
One more note from a hindu story i think its Vishnu that sleeps on the milky way and Brahma grows from him to create. Then shiva apears as a light beam going up and down neither vishnu or brahma can find the ends of it. To me vishnu sounds like the milkyway plane. Bramha grows out and starts creating the earth right? Now wouldnt shiva sound like the light jets emanating from the black hole at the center of the galaxy. kali being the black hole. shiva/kali are the ultimate recyclers! Thats kinda what a black hole does......Now were these stories by the ancients to describe what they knew to be in the sky? OR is everything alive even a black hole is inteligent and as shiva says .....in the end everything disolves into me.
More thoughts to come but figured this might start a convo with some of you
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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: dbreeze] 1
#26414207 - 01/03/20 11:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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As the rebels were purged from heaven, let the rebels be purged from earth
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Broad and sufficient framing.

Glad to see the new year is awakening minds. You've captured the essence of things essentially with correct and uncanny reference. This reference can be applied to other ancient religions and schools of thought. As it will in this age.
People will draw very similar references and conclusions for what is to come. There are lots of new things to progress towards and this will occur when the concept you just presented and a range of other abstract concepts are grounded and manifested. It is on the tip of a number of people's tongues and the numbers will increase. People will utter a similar framing. It is on the tip of a number of people's fingers and the numbers will increase. People will also begin to manifest similarly.
Converging towards : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga It spells an end of an age but also the birth of a new age.

For, just as there is a birth of an age. There is a middle portion. And an end... For which it begins.
This understanding can be gathered across a sufficient number of ages, and it has a hallmark structure/pattern to it. So, while the ancients had an awareness and a 'view' of it, it wasn't as refined as it is on our age or at this stage of progress. So to will be said of us 10,000 years into the future. We exist along a chain... Were neither at the beginning or end ever. And from the middle, we are able to look to the past, take in the present, and have sufficient awareness of what is to come in the near future.
Towards the close of the prior age, an allotment and sufficient knowledge were provided for 'observation' such that and from which the new age will be forged. Many has many questions and mysteries it has yet to discover. This new age will frame and cultivate them. Over time, blurry pictures/understanding are refined into crisp features. Once sufficiently scoped, we move on to a period of new abstraction/reasoning so as to frame and work towards a new broader view which will necessitate subsequent refinement.
The cycles of time are ever present and clear. This is what ancient religions and knowledgebases were on about.
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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: Hartford] 1
#26414260 - 01/03/20 12:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hartford said: As the rebels were purged from heaven, let the rebels be purged from earth
Misinterpreted and dogmatic view. Revelations isn't the end of the world. It reflects the end of an 'age' and the death of an age's thought/ideology so as to birth new thought. This has occurred before, is about to occur again, and will continue occurring. Christianity nor any religion has an accurate/precise framing as none among man has a crystal ball else they'd be God. Things are framed/foreshadowed at the beginning of an age but the water in which they are caste is murky and muddy so as to allow for chance, will, and possibility. Over the course of an age, the waters are explored and cleared so as to arrive at a new age/framing. Revelations (reveals and a decimation of dogmatic framing) occurs in the conclusion of an age and the birth of a new one.
The 'heavens' are purged in this way. Ignorance dispelled. Religion have existed and evolved for as long as man was able to reason about the outside world. No religion/dogma lasts forever for nothing in "God's" universe is impervious to truth. All things eventually yield to it. The lies of an age are eventually revealed (Revelations).
One indeed ultimately dams themselves for an age if, in a period of revelation of immutable truth, they stick to and hold tightly a dying age's lies. One most focus on seeing the world and truth as it is not as they want it to be and not as others have framed it in a time's past.
As the bible so forewarns itself : "Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the. way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it."
Many 'believers' fall into this passage and it a passage of critique for the religion itself as it is an immutable truth. The broad consensus is not always the truth or way. It often is the lower path. This goes for broad mainstream ways of life, broad mainstream media, pop culture, and popular interpretations of religion. A person is in no way spiritually awake if they subscribe to the idea that a particular religious doctrine is the end all be all truth. Religions evolve with our understanding, scientific progress, philosophical progress, and awareness. They will always represent a time tested murky compilation of 'truths'.. with a land mind of lies.
Revelations at the end of a age, is a revealing of what was truth from what was lies. There will be tons of truths found in popularized religions as well as tons of lies among other things. The self-damnation ,for an age, comes from the rejection of this more crystallized truth... For many will move on towards higher paths equipped with a powerful new truth while others will grip tight the dogma/lies. Those that recognize and accept the higher truth because they prepared for it in the prior age will be in a higher 'world' than those who choose to squander the age, mistake the revelation, and thus live in a lower 'world'.
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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: r00tcmplx]
#26414425 - 01/03/20 01:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The new age i think will be very much about experience. Religion allows us to worship the divine plants allow us to experience it! Not saying there arent other ways to experience it but things will be about the experience it. As i said god is not sitting far away on a throne he is in all of us WE ARE THE THRONE! he wants us to experience life!
I believe different religions and ideas are presented at different times to further the progression of the cycle. Many gods went to one god. many people are on the way to becoming ONE people. (as above so below.) The hindu idea of different faces all being one is closer to the truth. As mentioned truth comes in pieces and evolves the cycle
Another little idea i like is if you look at a graphic at what the brain and neurons look like. Then look at The BIGGEST map of the universe itself with all the filaments of galaxy's they look amazingly similar (as above so below) I think of it as each of us are a thought in the living intelligent universe
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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: dbreeze]
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dbreeze said: The new age i think will be very much about experience. Religion allows us to worship the divine plants allow us to experience it! Not saying there arent other ways to experience it but things will be about the experience it. As i said god is not sitting far away on a throne he is in all of us WE ARE THE THRONE! he wants us to experience life!
I believe different religions and ideas are presented at different times to further the progression of the cycle. Many gods went to one god. many people are on the way to becoming ONE people. (as above so below.) The hindu idea of different faces all being one is closer to the truth. As mentioned truth comes in pieces and evolves the cycle
Another little idea i like is if you look at a graphic at what the brain and neurons look like. Then look at The BIGGEST map of the universe itself with all the filaments of galaxy's they look amazingly similar (as above so below) I think of it as each of us are a thought in the living intelligent universe

Indeed. A new age centered on : - Experience - Action - Manifestation - Fulfillment
We already have all of the workable understanding we need. Now comes the manifestation of it.
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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: r00tcmplx] 1
#26415049 - 01/03/20 07:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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r00tcmplx said: The self-damnation ,for an age, comes from the rejection of this more crystallized truth... For many will move on towards higher paths equipped with a powerful new truth while others will grip tight the dogma/lies. Those that recognize and accept the higher truth because they prepared for it in the prior age will be in a higher 'world' than those who choose to squander the age, mistake the revelation, and thus live in a lower 'world'.
It's apparent that self-damnation results in people falling to a lower realm due to the 'weight' of their sins, but whether the punishment lasts longer than a single age is unclear to me. From what I've seen for myself, damned persons suffer until their negative karma is 'burned away', and this is what results in the 'second death'. At the end of this punishment cycle the hell realm is 'emptied' of the dead. Only one such realm was in my line of sight at the time I observed this, but it's likely that there are lower levels. Whether this 'emptying' leads to annihilation or rebirth is not clear to me. Likely it would be rebirth, because it's known that samsara continues until one ascends beyond the cycles of death and rebirth. (moksha)
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#26415228 - 01/03/20 09:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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kneesocks said: It's apparent that self-damnation results in people falling to a lower realm due to the 'weight' of their sins,
Well use, this is a common personal and micro version of 'self-damnation'. It occurs at a smaller scale with reversible potential within days, years, decades, etc. When I spoke of damnation of an age I was referring to a pronounced development that springs forth broader beliefs/ideologies that linger and last for generations and across say a thousand years or so. I don't believe you get 'one trip' through earth. So, if you screw up sufficiently at the beginning of an age, I do believe that in sufficient reincarnation, that you continue to make mistakes that lower/self-dam you until you 'catch on' t a higher path.
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kneesocks said: but whether the punishment lasts longer than a single age is unclear to me. From what I've seen for myself, damned persons suffer until their negative karma is 'burned away', and this is what results in the 'second death'.
Death and life are abstractions that are not practically but not fully understood. Same goes for sin and levels of 'damnation' of sorts. The devils in the details as to how many layers and scales it pervades and I don't myself have finite and concise answers here.
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kneesocks said: At the end of this punishment cycle the hell realm is 'emptied' of the dead. Only one such realm was in my line of sight at the time I observed this, but it's likely that there are lower levels. Whether this 'emptying' leads to annihilation or rebirth is not clear to me. Likely it would be rebirth, because it's known that samsara continues until one ascends beyond the cycles of death and rebirth. (moksha)
Yeah, i hear this framing and observe it in various religions but have my own personal take. I believe, for the most part, all of this happens on earth through reincarnation cycles. Screw up enough in one life, and you are reincarnated and damned in another. 'Progress and gain knowledge/understanding' and you are propelled to a next level and so on and so farth. No fire and brimstone. No eternal hell/heaven paradise. Rather, a long journey of 'enlightenment' through activity and progress on earth. Indeed, there is likely a state in which you transcend life/death but no one has the right capture of what this is like.
Perpetual damnation... In my mind, reincarnating at earth at the same level because you keep screwing up is sufficient suffering. There's no need for an eternal hell construct.. Earth is hellish enough. Maybe you simply get punted to a better solar system/galaxy if you ascend a certain planets pinnacle construct. That'd be fitting and fair.
I don't buy into eternal states though. Everything is always in motion and dynamic. For instance, our Solar System is traveling at an average speed of 230 km/s (828,000 km/h) or 143 mi/s (514,000 mph) within its trajectory around the galactic center. Our space station moves through lower earth orbit at 17,500 miles per hour).
Our milky-way is 100,000 light years across. The nearest galaxy is 2 million light years away.
Yeah, were not the only ones in our Universe and there are clear intelligent restrictions that bar us within long time scales of sufficiently reaching anyone else. So, our butts are here living out and progressing through our karma cycles until we progress beyond this planet/solar system/galaxy/etc. There's enough in our Universe structured in intelligent and methodical ways to deal with abstractions such as heaven/hell .. When a lot of these religions were formed, they knew nothing of great detail about how space was structured. So, there's no need for me, at this point in our understanding to revert to older abstractions. I instead, see the forward and present references.
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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: r00tcmplx]
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r00tcmplx said: No eternal hell/heaven paradise. Rather, a long journey of 'enlightenment' through activity and progress on earth. Indeed, there is likely a state in which you transcend life/death but no one has the right capture of what this is like.
Hell and heaven certainly aren't eternal states. Heaven seems more like a joyful waiting area for rebirth, and hell as a painful purging in preparation for rebirth.
As for the ones who have transcended the cycle of death and rebirth, only the ascended know. It seems there are only a few handfuls of souls who have achieved this.
From what Buddha said, human birth is quite rare. It seems that the body we're born into is the reaping of what we've sown from past lives, with karma potentially acting as a sort of currency for this body selection process.
Human birth is considered very special because of the intelligence and free will of humans, which strongly enhances karma for better or worse. Karma depends on one's actions, and one's actions are influenced by one's motivations.
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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: kneesocks] 1
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r00tcmplx said: No eternal hell/heaven paradise. Rather, a long journey of 'enlightenment' through activity and progress on earth. Indeed, there is likely a state in which you transcend life/death but no one has the right capture of what this is like.
Hell and heaven certainly aren't eternal states. Heaven seems more like a joyful waiting area for rebirth, and hell as a painful purging in preparation for rebirth.
As for the ones who have transcended the cycle of death and rebirth, only the ascended know. It seems there are only a few handfuls of souls who have achieved this.
From what Buddha said, human birth is quite rare. It seems that the body we're born into is the reaping of what we've sown from past lives, with karma potentially acting as a sort of currency for this body selection process.
Human birth is considered very special because of the intelligence and free will of humans, which strongly enhances karma for better or worse. Karma depends on one's actions, and one's actions are influenced by one's motivations.
I've enjoyed where this exchange has took things. I whole-fully agree with the above.
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karma might work on the scale of life times but i think it can work daily as well. I had a experience that kinda mimicked psychosis after a bad trip. Now this might sound a little crazy (i kinda like my crazy thinking tho) but in this psychosis at first the spirit had gotten very evil telling me i was going to do some very bad things. But somehow this evil was for my benefit (to put the brakes on psychedelics for a while) But when things got better a little birdie told me it was part of clearing my karma. And this is one of the weird parts when i did good things for myself one day the next day this "psychosis" was much better. But if i was lazy or did bad things well things got rough the next day. Hey this might just be a psychosis but things have gotten better so shit i guess if i can pull something positive to motivate me thats all that matters. Maybe i needed a ass kicking to realize i need to start taking care of myself more. The best way to change things is at a indivual level and then let other catch on...when you try to change masses of people at once people fight back and thats no good for any of us.
Some Buddhist think enlightenment takes many incarnations. So this would mean you would have to happen to have enough incarnations where your in the position to wake up over and over again. I wonder if there is a quicker way can one be enlightened and clear his karma in one lifetime? I guess the answer is we dont know cause we dont remember the past lives but would love to know what you guys think on it
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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: dbreeze]
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There is no separation between "inner" and "outer".
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Loaded Shaman said: There is no separation between "inner" and "outer".
This i agree strongly with as alan watts says the idea of ME being enclosed in a bag of skin is a hallucination....Its just one thing...
I once heard the idea that i like of us being like blood cells meaning the blood cells dont know they are a part of the body they just do what they do however we are aware of them being part of us. I think most people are like that they just dont understand we are ONE being.....i would think of us as the hands not the blood tho But hey maybe the blood does know its us.
kinda goes with my post of the bigest picture of the universe looking like a brain functioning. maybe the universe is a repeating scale inside our body is the entire universe just a "smaller" scale and in that a even smaller scale to infinity....its weird to think of things like this cause we are so conditioned.
But the fact that our community and even meditation comunities and yoga communities all come up with the same "hallucinations" says something VERY important. IF our "helpers" were just inducing hallucinations how come they are all so similar why dont we see random things like a octopus on rollar skates smoking a joint riding down the sidewalk 
Some science see's our alkaloids as the plant evolving to kill bugs. I think either the plants just love us that much! Or they were engineered for us and placed in plants to ensure they stay around. All of humanity evolved with them i think our first thoughts of god (maybe before caveman days) were due to them eating these plants. If they evolved US then they shouldnt be deamonized!. IF it was just to poison bugs wouldnt it just make us sick? why does it make us think about all these wonderfull things.
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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: dbreeze]
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It means you’ve got your head up your ass. People without souls don’t have to worry about this...
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dbreeze said: karma might work on the scale of life times but i think it can work daily as well.
Yeah, i believe it works along a range of different time scales. So, yes. I believe what you just stated as well.
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dbreeze said: I had a experience that kinda mimicked psychosis after a bad trip. Now this might sound a little crazy (i kinda like my crazy thinking tho) but in this psychosis at first the spirit had gotten very evil telling me i was going to do some very bad things. But somehow this evil was for my benefit (to put the brakes on psychedelics for a while) But when things got better a little birdie told me it was part of clearing my karma. And this is one of the weird parts when i did good things for myself one day the next day this "psychosis" was much better. But if i was lazy or did bad things well things got rough the next day. Hey this might just be a psychosis but things have gotten better so shit i guess if i can pull something positive to motivate me thats all that matters. Maybe i needed a ass kicking to realize i need to start taking care of myself more. The best way to change things is at a indivual level and then let other catch on...when you try to change masses of people at once people fight back and thats no good for any of us.
I don't believe its that active.. rather a passive construct of the universe. If you act with negative energy, that's what you attract.. Negativity also blinds you to higher positive roads.. So, if you keep running down lower roads, eventually you're going to face off with similar things. Not more complicated than that. Would be a waste of energy on a higher power to intervene/act directly. Instead, it's just a universal law/principal that acts like gravity... : > Jump off something and you'll fall > Play stupid games.. win stupid prizes > Play with the odds, eventually be victim of them...
But indeed, we learn a lot and grow alot when we fall. Nothing wrong with that.. however, if you continue to not learn when you fall.. things get bad and ugly.
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dbreeze said: Some Buddhist think enlightenment takes many incarnations. So this would mean you would have to happen to have enough incarnations where your in the position to wake up over and over again. I wonder if there is a quicker way can one be enlightened and clear his karma in one lifetime? I guess the answer is we dont know cause we dont remember the past lives but would love to know what you guys think on it
Well, enlightenment is a 'state of mind' and with incarnations there is left-over state and karma... It is all reasonable and fair when you run it through. No shortcuts... no cheats.
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Simple answer would be 'no'... nothing supports that. Also, when you look at things closely enough or have enough access you start to see those that "have it good" really don't. A lot of rich people are sad and lonely types who aren't happy. They dedicate most of their life after-all to money and success vs experience and life. Those who introspect and reflect more are often far more happy as they come to understand the essence of things and life. Thus the whole ideology of leaving behind the 'typical' life. Enlightenment is the art of being in the moment and generating the outer world in the inner. Once you learn and tap into that, you see the lessor nature of always attempting to act/gain in the real world. In your own head, there is no friction. However, if you attempt to manifest there is. So why do people sacrifice so much to do this? Well, for worldly gain. So, indeed one of the first steps of being a monk is letting go of that world because the point is to see that you can generate it and fulfillment all on your own. This can be said over and over and a person listening and even trying many times can 'realize' it... which highlights that there really are no shortcuts. Even when given the key, a person is unable to tap into it. Shows you all you need to know. So again, if even when given the keys (shortcuts), a person can't use it until they put in the work/effort, its doubtful you can use more advanced keys nor are those given
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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: dbreeze]
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Loaded Shaman said: There is no separation between "inner" and "outer".
This i agree strongly with as alan watts says the idea of ME being enclosed in a bag of skin is a hallucination....Its just one thing...
I once heard the idea that i like of us being like blood cells meaning the blood cells dont know they are a part of the body they just do what they do however we are aware of them being part of us. I think most people are like that they just dont understand we are ONE being.....i would think of us as the hands not the blood tho But hey maybe the blood does know its us.
kinda goes with my post of the bigest picture of the universe looking like a brain functioning. maybe the universe is a repeating scale inside our body is the entire universe just a "smaller" scale and in that a even smaller scale to infinity....its weird to think of things like this cause we are so conditioned.
But the fact that our community and even meditation comunities and yoga communities all come up with the same "hallucinations" says something VERY important. IF our "helpers" were just inducing hallucinations how come they are all so similar why dont we see random things like a octopus on rollar skates smoking a joint riding down the sidewalk 
Some science see's our alkaloids as the plant evolving to kill bugs. I think either the plants just love us that much! Or they were engineered for us and placed in plants to ensure they stay around. All of humanity evolved with them i think our first thoughts of god (maybe before caveman days) were due to them eating these plants. If they evolved US then they shouldnt be deamonized!. IF it was just to poison bugs wouldnt it just make us sick? why does it make us think about all these wonderfull things.
We are one and the ethos/thinking that follows from that is pretty accessible to even the lowest of brain function individual. They get it they often times just dont want to make the sacrifices needed to 'realize it'. People often 'get things'. They just pretend to play dumb or reject acting because it would require sacrifice on their behalf. People get not to throw trash on the ground or treat others like shit because it comes back to them. They simply don't care or convince themselves it wont because in the moment they deem it beneficial to be a dickbag.
Ultimately, if you play this game for long enough, the universe will evolved past you though. So, I don't see this being a good outcome for humanity this late in the game. Keep being dickbags and playing stupid and human beings might find themselves in a literal 'matrix' where they can do that as much as they want.... Kinda want modern society actually is ... A twisted fucked up virtual reality overlaying reality filled with people's fucked up and subjective idiocy.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Also, your inner world aint the outer. If there's a wall in front of you, you can tell yourself whatever you want.. if you go charging at it, you're gonna get fucked up.
To directly comment, no.. the inner world you chose is not reality.. and it is not often times another person's reality. We were given that gift/curse. So, for all intents purposes, you are a separate entity acting ofc as you see fit. Were not in the same body. Don't share much. We can get on the same page in reality by embracing the truth and reality but how often do people do this vs choosing their own bullshit version for whatever reason.
I think this ethos had a good run. I don't think it has much weight on humanity's progress going forward though. We've run that concept to its productive limits. I think for entertainment, have at subjective inner world reality. However, for real world function, this is where I muse that computers/AI are going to start taking over because humans simply don't know how to act nor when they do know how to act, do they act properly.
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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: Rorge]
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Rorge said: It means you’ve got your head up your ass. People without souls don’t have to worry about this...
I legit LOL'd at this point; can you explain what you mean here? My laughter wasn't to provoke; seeing your post after the long ones above is just perfect, lol.
Elucidate a bit? Thank you in advance
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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: Rorge]
#26417149 - 01/05/20 08:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rorge said: It means you’ve got your head up your ass. People without souls don’t have to worry about this...
You truely belive some dont have or arent a soul?
Alot of these ideas i present are to start a discussion. heres the deal. these ideas came to mind some i thought literal at times most have evolved into a metaphor. The scale universe being a brain and more scale in our brain is a example i thought about it litterly for a while. Now do i think there is a tiny NY or CA or FL somehwere floating around in my brain....no probilly not think of it as a metaphor
Some of my thoughts are ever evolving and probilly always will be however my core belief's have all lead me in one direction. And even tho things are evolving always i think there is a core truth to everything. Now i am not going to come here and state EXACTLY what i think to be true. Because being told something is totally different than having thoughts evolve into a belief on there own. There is NOTHING i could tell you that would mean NEARLY as much as YOU coming into your own belief yourself.
That process is special and will mean so much more to you than just being told something is true. How many Catholics are all told so many stories are absolute and how many actually believe all of them? How come buddist very rarely tell what enlightenment is but teach the process. How many that get to the end of the process TRUELY believe that is the truth? much higher % than when your simply told something. My hope is you guys start a discussion both together and with yourselves and figure it out on your own. IT IS SOOOO MUCH MORE SPECIAL THAT WAY!
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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: dbreeze] 1
#26417309 - 01/05/20 10:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess what I’m saying is, the part of you that is like god can be usurped by other parts of yourself when you’re focused on the wrong things.
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Re: As above so below What does it mean to YOU [Re: dbreeze] 1
#26417325 - 01/05/20 10:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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dbreeze said: You truely belive some dont have or arent a soul?
I personally try not to get into such abstractions.... However, yes... It is clear to me that some people have less of an 'awareness' than others. Kind of like how a dog obviously is less 'aware' of things than a human. In this more obvious distinction is the exampling of a spectrum that likely exists to a lessor degree with humans. Some people are clearly not aware, they can navigate through life easier because a lot of stuff doesn't register. Kind of like how a dickbag or a bitch can go on behaving so self-destructively and destructive to others without much impact on their person.. It's because its not even registering... they're not aware. There's tons of other tell tale signs.
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dbreeze said: Some of my thoughts are ever evolving and probilly always will be however my core belief's have all lead me in one direction. And even tho things are evolving always i think there is a core truth to everything. Now i am not going to come here and state EXACTLY what i think to be true. Because being told something is totally different than having thoughts evolve into a belief on there own. There is NOTHING i could tell you that would mean NEARLY as much as YOU coming into your own belief yourself.
This man gets it !

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dbreeze said: That process is special and will mean so much more to you than just being told something is true.
As the saying goes, it's about the journey not the destination.
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dbreeze said: How many Catholics are all told so many stories are absolute and how many actually believe all of them? How come buddist very rarely tell what enlightenment is but teach the process. How many that get to the end of the process TRUELY believe that is the truth? much higher % than when your simply told something.
Eastern religions are more centered on theology and spirituality/spiritual development and package them far better than western religions. One is to cultivate... Another is to align.
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dbreeze said: My hope is you guys start a discussion both together and with yourselves and figure it out on your own. IT IS SOOOO MUCH MORE SPECIAL THAT WAY!
Don't be shy my dude
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