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Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights?
#26413977 - 01/03/20 09:44 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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I need some dosing advice. So I am about to dabble into some micro dosing and want to start out at .1g per day.
My question is: .1g of cracker dry material will most likely have a higher psilocybin content than .1g of spongy material due to less "water" weight? Is this true?
Also, on a macro dose level, this will be more significant as I am guessing 3 g of cracker dry material will most likely have a higher psilocybin content than 3g of spongy material? What are your guys thoughts/experiences?
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: markclark] 1
#26413989 - 01/03/20 09:49 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Why do you have spongy mushrooms?
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: Diego]
#26414056 - 01/03/20 10:23 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Good question. I don't, my are cracker dry and brittle AF. I guess I assumed that most of the micro dosing protocol's were not using cracker dry mushrooms. Maybe that was a bad assumption?
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: markclark]
#26414095 - 01/03/20 10:45 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Ok. Cracker dry is best. Id say yes youre right. If they draw moisture the potency per gram will be lower. If you're talking fresh 1 g dry equals .1 dry but will be more potent and contain baeocystin and norbeaocystin. One time I take some mushrooms to a bonfire and it was super humid. They turned to mush kinda because the air rehydrated them. Was terrible to choke down
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: markclark]
#26414121 - 01/03/20 10:58 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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markclark said: Good question. I don't, my are cracker dry and brittle AF. I guess I assumed that most of the micro dosing protocol's were not using cracker dry mushrooms. Maybe that was a bad assumption?
I think by “spongy” that you mean “wet” or “fresh”? If that is the case, then dried are approximately 10% from wet / fresh. By that I mean, approximately 1g cracker dry is equivalent to 10g fresh.
Using fresh gives you a stronger trip though because psilocin and psilocybin do degrade during the drying process; estimates on the shroomery for cubensis estimate 0.8 x psilocybin remains and 0.5 x psilocin remains after drying. Once stored correctly, they’ll last for ages...
Using fresh for microdosing I guess would not be cost effective, unless you have a continual harvest?
If you use cracker dry, you could grind up the entire stash and mix together well than store in capsules. You would know exactly what strength these capsules are relative to each other so would be certain of the effects.
Hope this helps, DJ Ed
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: markclark]
#26414319 - 01/03/20 12:53 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Air dried vs dehydrator dried is 15 percent weight difference on average in my climate.
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: Green_Hands]
#26414348 - 01/03/20 01:06 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Green_Hands said: Air dried vs dehydrator dried is 15 percent weight difference on average in my climate. 
Doesnt air drying decrease potency due to oxidation? I get anywhere from 8 to 10% in a dehydrator
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Edited by Diego (01/03/20 01:08 PM)
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: Diego]
#26414353 - 01/03/20 01:08 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Green_Hands said: Air dried vs dehydrator dried is 15 percent weight difference on average in my climate. 
Doesnt air drying decrease potency due to oxidation?
Yes. The best thing for your mushrooms is to dry them as quick as possible.
If there is not room in the dehydrator (turned up to max) then put them in the fridge until there is room.
I dry 24 hours to ensure all moisture is gone as well
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: The Mycologist]
#26414371 - 01/03/20 01:21 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Diego said:
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Green_Hands said: Air dried vs dehydrator dried is 15 percent weight difference on average in my climate. 
Doesnt air drying decrease potency due to oxidation?
Yes. The best thing for your mushrooms is to dry them as quick as possible.
If there is not room in the dehydrator (turned up to max) then put them in the fridge until there is room.
I dry 24 hours to ensure all moisture is gone as well
Ive noticed if you put them in the fridge in paper bags with a box of baking soda it helps by pre-drying your fruits
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: Diego]
#26414442 - 01/03/20 02:08 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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What im saying is that air dried when put in dehydrator lose additional 15 percent in mass. So 1g airdried is 0.85g from dehydrator.
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: Green_Hands]
#26414484 - 01/03/20 02:29 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Green_Hands said: What im saying is that air dried when put in dehydrator lose additional 15 percent in mass. So 1g airdried is 0.85g from dehydrator.
You could very well be correct. I've never air dried so i have nothing to compare. I'll try to experiment with some oysters or something. I believe that they have the same water/flesh ratio. What is your air drying method?
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: Diego]
#26414495 - 01/03/20 02:32 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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I dont air dry because i have dehydrator...
But when i do for curiosity i put them on mesh in well ventilated area until they stop losing moisture anymore.
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: Diego]
#26414496 - 01/03/20 02:33 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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If you’re gonna air dry, you gotta stick them in the oven or on top of a radiator afterwards. Fans never got my shrooms cracker-dry.
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: feldman114]
#26414552 - 01/03/20 03:11 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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feldman114 said: If you’re gonna air dry, you gotta stick them in the oven or on top of a radiator afterwards. Fans never got my shrooms cracker-dry.
I’ve actually just dried out my desiccant gel in the oven. Which gets me to my point! I’ve been thinking about drying my mushrooms in the oven, to reduce time losing chemicals to oxidation.
Currently I have air dried: hanging in cloth vented racks with a fan blowing on them, 20degC for three days. Tonight they’re going in a desiccant chamber for a further 2 days. The humidity meter never goes below 10%. I’m going to wrap in sellophane this time to completely seal them to see if I can get the humidity lower.
I then transfer to sealed containers with bags of desiccant gel then freeze. I have never seemingly lost too much potency as I am getting really intense and deep trips from 3.8g Psilocybe Cubensis B+.
Mush love, DJ Ed
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26414581 - 01/03/20 03:28 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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markclark said: Good question. I don't, my are cracker dry and brittle AF. I guess I assumed that most of the micro dosing protocol's were not using cracker dry mushrooms. Maybe that was a bad assumption?
I think by “spongy” that you mean “wet” or “fresh”? If that is the case, then dried are approximately 10% from wet / fresh. By that I mean, approximately 1g cracker dry is equivalent to 10g fresh.
Using fresh gives you a stronger trip though because psilocin and psilocybin do degrade during the drying process; estimates on the shroomery for cubensis estimate 0.8 x psilocybin remains and 0.5 x psilocin remains after drying. Once stored correctly, they’ll last for ages...
Using fresh for microdosing I guess would not be cost effective, unless you have a continual harvest?
If you use cracker dry, you could grind up the entire stash and mix together well than store in capsules. You would know exactly what strength these capsules are relative to each other so would be certain of the effects.
Hope this helps, DJ Ed
Thanks for the insight! When I was saying spongy, I was referring to non-cracker dried mushrooms, that were most likely air dried, not fresh though.
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: Green_Hands]
#26414584 - 01/03/20 03:32 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Green_Hands said: What im saying is that air dried when put in dehydrator lose additional 15 percent in mass. So 1g airdried is 0.85g from dehydrator.
That is what I was thinking too. So using this protocol an air dried micro-dose would be .1g vs. a cracker dry dehydrator dried micro-dose would be .085g.
I wonder if these popular micro-dosing protocols are basing the dose recommendations on cracker dry vs. air dry (spongy)? I guess I have to just experiment to find the correct dose for me with cracker dry material.
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: markclark]
#26414587 - 01/03/20 03:33 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Ah right, I get it now. So spongy would not then be as strong as crackerndry, for the same weight, as it still has moisture in it.
Cheers, DJ Ed
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26414594 - 01/03/20 03:37 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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But your goal, when drying, is to get them cracker-dry as fast as possible. While they have moisture, they’re slowly losing potency.
Oven works just like a dehydrator if you put it on low and crack the door open
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26414596 - 01/03/20 03:37 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Oh sorry, guys, one other point that may help.
To get from spongy / air-dried to cracker dry, you put in a desiccant chamber. There are loads of teks on here. I have a plastic rectangular box with plastic divides inside. In these are loads of desiccant gel, that turn from orange to blue when full of moisture. Dry them orange again in the oven. On top of the plastic divides sit further metal vented trays in which go the mushroooms. I put the lid on and they are cracker dry in two days.
I seem to lose minimal potency.
Cheers DJ Ed
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Re: Cracker Dry vs. Spongy dosage weights? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26414605 - 01/03/20 03:41 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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So you tried drying in a dehydrator then switched to air drying, and didn’t notice the loss of potency? I sure did when I tried it...
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