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4 year old spore swab, any solutions?
    #26413828 - 01/03/20 08:18 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I have a spore swab thats around 4 years old or so. I streaked it to a couple of plates, but a month later and there's no growth on the petri dish whatsoever. I've read some stuff here and there about forcing old spores to hydrate by making a spore syringe, capping it with a plug, and then, using rubber bands to apply pressure to the plunger, put the spore solution under high pressure for a day or two.

Thinking about cutting the head off the swab into a shot glass of sterile water and sucking it up with a syringe then putting it under pressure. Does anyone here have any experience with ths? Any success stories with old spores?


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: grownright]
    #26413841 - 01/03/20 08:25 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

How were they stored? Were they kept dry? Ive never used a swab. Id rehydrate them and try again. Idk about keeping them under pressure. Never heard that


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: Diego]
    #26413856 - 01/03/20 08:31 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Kept dry, sealed in a ziplock inside of a quart jar in a desk drawer that was opened a few times over the last few years. Its how Ive kept all of my spore prints and swabs, in their own bags inside the jar. All of my prints are 4+ years old. Ive only had luck getting one print that was around 5 years old to germinate on agar. Everything else Ive put to agar hasnt germinated at all


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: grownright]
    #26413858 - 01/03/20 08:37 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Id rehydrate them. I think if you store them in the fridge they last longer. Ive heard of people laminating them also


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: Diego]
    #26413889 - 01/03/20 08:54 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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How were they stored? Were they kept dry? Ive never used a swab. Id rehydrate them and try again. Idk about keeping them under pressure. Never heard that




Op means this. forced hydration
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15383615#15383615

I’ve never tried it but have some old spores that won’t germ That I’ve been Meaning to try it on.


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: Unknown error]
    #26413902 - 01/03/20 09:01 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Hey thanks dude. Might come in handy


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: Unknown error]
    #26413952 - 01/03/20 09:28 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Unknown error said:
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Diego said:
How were they stored? Were they kept dry? Ive never used a swab. Id rehydrate them and try again. Idk about keeping them under pressure. Never heard that




Op means this. forced hydration
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15383615#15383615

I’ve never tried it but have some old spores that won’t germ That I’ve been Meaning to try it on.






Amazing link. Never new this was an option to try


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: Unknown error]
    #26414003 - 01/03/20 09:58 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Unknown error said:
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Diego said:
How were they stored? Were they kept dry? Ive never used a swab. Id rehydrate them and try again. Idk about keeping them under pressure. Never heard that




Op means this. forced hydration
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15383615#15383615

I’ve never tried it but have some old spores that won’t germ That I’ve been Meaning to try it on.




Exactly what I was referring to. Im just worried with a spore swab that the spore solution made up will contain contams. Its all going to agar but my fear is with a solution all the spores and any present contams will be mixed together


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: grownright]
    #26414053 - 01/03/20 10:22 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Check out this link

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26011681

You will see why it works


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: grownright]
    #26414109 - 01/03/20 10:54 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

You might just have to do alot of legwork to clean it up. Like a wild print


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: Diego]
    #26414144 - 01/03/20 11:09 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Almost everything I'm growing rn is 8yrs or older. The hydrating thing didn't work for me on at least 4 prints but maybe it will for you. What I have had luck with is being generous with the spores and going from print to agar. If I don't see germination in 3 weeks I trash it and try again using increasingly more spores. Some of my prints do seem dead but lots of others just didn't germinate on the first few plates, persistence paid off.


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: spiritlands]
    #26414825 - 01/03/20 05:52 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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The Mycologist said:
Check out this link

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26011681

You will see why it works




Creating a spore syringe isnt the issue here, did you read my post?

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Almost everything I'm growing rn is 8yrs or older. The hydrating thing didn't work for me on at least 4 prints but maybe it will for you. What I have had luck with is being generous with the spores and going from print to agar. If I don't see germination in 3 weeks I trash it and try again using increasingly more spores. Some of my prints do seem dead but lots of others just didn't germinate on the first few plates, persistence paid off.




Word. I may have to just scrape more spores off my prints onto the agar dish. I usually apply as much will fit on the end of my scalpel.

I've made 3 attempts so far with the spore swab in the OP. All 3 attempts of growing it out on agar resulted in 0 germination. I cut the head off the swab today into a shot glass and made a spore syringe from it with sterile water. Going to give the forced hydration a try, let it sit for a few days for the spores to hydrate, and drop some of the solution onto a few plates


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: grownright]
    #26414849 - 01/03/20 06:03 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Recently used a print about 5 or 6 years old... Swabbed 6 plates, only one germinated...  Took about a month before I saw anything.  I needed to use a generous amount of spores...

Tried rehydrating in syringes but had absolutely no luck.


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: daysbetween]
    #26414855 - 01/03/20 06:05 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Saving cultures is one thing but fighting spores is hardly worth the battle, they are easily obtained fresh


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: cronicr]
    #26414886 - 01/03/20 06:17 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Saving cultures is one thing but fighting spores is hardly worth the battle, they are easily obtained fresh




Just trying to work with what I have. I had a decent spore collection piled up 4-5 years ago, quit growing and recently got into it. Im in one of the 3 states that you can't order spores online to. There are other ways to get more spores tho :shrug:


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: grownright]
    #26414893 - 01/03/20 06:20 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Saving cultures is one thing but fighting spores is hardly worth the battle, they are easily obtained fresh




Just trying to work with what I have. I had a decent spore collection piled up 4-5 years ago, quit growing and recently got into it. Im in one of the 3 states that you can't order spores online to. There are other ways to get more spores tho :shrug:



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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: Diego] * 2
    #26414897 - 01/03/20 06:22 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Message me , fuck your laws.


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: cronicr]
    #26414901 - 01/03/20 06:26 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Message me , fuck your laws.



Best fucking answer!


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: Diego]
    #26414929 - 01/03/20 06:36 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Yeah swab it to a plate of agar. I did a 12 year old print with success!


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: eatyualive]
    #26414932 - 01/03/20 06:39 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Yeah swab it to a plate of agar. I did a 12 year old print with success!




Thats incredible. I had 2 swabs. Tried both of them a few times on agar, each time threw the plate away after a month of no growth. I was able to get some mazatapec spores that were around 4 years old to germinate via spore syringe (This was prior to me getting some agar supplies, was just getting back into growing.) Now I have plenty cultures of the Maz which Ive been working with, but all my other spore prints/swabs Ive had zero luck with germination. The Maz just happened to be a miracle apparently


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: Diego]
    #26414937 - 01/03/20 06:41 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I'm with cron give me a holler I've never seen a letter stopped man don't pull your hair out that rule is for market place we gotta atleast follow some rules ya know don't openly and loudly poke the bear. However fuck that bear and just give one of us a shout I'm sure somthing may find its way into your mailbox from somewhere who knowsl lol.


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: Hillbillyjohn]
    #26414941 - 01/03/20 06:42 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I did it with prints and it actually germinated in 4 days. You may want to hydrate with sterile water then drop a drop on a plate.


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: eatyualive]
    #26414944 - 01/03/20 06:44 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Btw you probably know but make the agar softer for spores that are older.


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: Hillbillyjohn]
    #26414950 - 01/03/20 06:47 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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I'm with cron give me a holler I've never seen a letter stopped man don't pull your hair out that rule is for market place we gotta atleast follow some rules ya know don't openly and loudly poke the bear. However fuck that bear and just give one of us a shout I'm sure somthing may find its way into your mailbox from somewhere who knowsl lol.




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Btw you probably know but make the agar softer for spores that are older.




Something I recently learned but havent applied yet!


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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: Diego]
    #26414967 - 01/03/20 06:58 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I'm in one of those States too, pm me I'll hook you up. And ya I did read your post. I was just saying I tried that and it didn't work any of the times for me but I hope it works for you. Was just sharing what has been working for me since I've got 7 to germinate so far. Best of luck.
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Oh and I think you sent me the wrong link, I was referring to the rubber bands trick didn't help me. The link you sent is a good way to make syringes no doubts there.

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Re: 4 year old spore swab, any solutions? [Re: spiritlands]
    #26415084 - 01/03/20 08:02 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Sorry that was supposed to be in reply to The Mycologists comment not yours spiritlands!


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