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Australia is burning. * 6
    #26413552 - 01/03/20 01:37 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Well the nonexistence of climate change indicates that every year being hotter and drier and windier has finally set us poor bastards on fire. It's some serious burning happening, whole towns are being razed and all we can do is run for our lives. Normally at this time of year all the subtropical rainforest would be soaking wet, now it's visible from space as a cloud of smoke.
After more than 2 months of solid burning it's becoming critical now. The firefighters are exhausted and being caught off guard and being killed. Today it was announced to deploy major military mobilization to try and help save people who are trapped and back up the firefighters on the ground. The military have been involved since the start, but they're pulling out all the stops now. More than 12 million acres have burned and there is no sign of it stopping any time soon. We're so fucked down here. So fucked. We're truly at the mercy of the elements.

I don't really know how to wrap this post up. Spare a thought for your antipodean cousins. When faced with a wall of fire all other concerns are trivial.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Northerner]
    #26413553 - 01/03/20 01:42 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Oh shit man. Sorry to hear that :sad:

Are you personally in trouble? Or are these fires far from your location?

Im a definite climate change believer. Theres too much dramatic change in the world to not consider it.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26413559 - 01/03/20 01:50 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

It's terrible

And animals... poor animals, they said 1/3 of koalas been wiped out.

I remember there rain in summer months here and there but this year there none.

Poor Australians. Your in my prayers.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26413562 - 01/03/20 01:54 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I live in the far north east so my home isn't at threat. I have friends and family who are in the way though, if it doesn't stop they will be stripped of everything.

I'm down in NSW right now visiting my Dad. The closest fire is 60km away, but currently unstoppable.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26413567 - 01/03/20 01:58 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Spare a thought for your antipodean cousins.



Mine certainly go out to all there, for that country is dear to my heart like no other.

Coupled with that, I literally have an antipodean cousin who runs the family farm out there. They're talking about selling up next year cause the droughts are so bad. When I lived there in 2017 they were running ~500 cattle and ~1500 sheep. They now don't think they can run more than 50/250 due to lack of water and pasture. They can't afford to keep running the business at those numbers.

*POOF*.. there goes my dream of heading out there this year and settling in.

This is the view of the smoke/fires from the shearing shed where I spent so much time that summer:



And all those areas in black are burned or burning:



And this is what all the dams are looking like now:



It truly is an epic clusterfuck, and I dearly hope it gets better there soon.

And for those that aren't aware, bushfires in Australia are so devastating because of all the oil in the eucalyptus trees that dominate a lot of the landscape out there. I hear they don't so much 'catch fire' as 'explode' when that oil gets up to temperature...


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26413570 - 01/03/20 02:02 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Isn't there aqua layer below the surface? So all those farms in the outback could get water?


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26413575 - 01/03/20 02:06 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Christ:



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Isn't there aqua layer below the surface? So all those farms in the outback could get water?



If there was, they'd have found a way to effectively get it up by now, believe me.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Northerner]
    #26413579 - 01/03/20 02:14 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

That's messed up. Damn. Nature why!!!

Is the area your living in more of a desert where fires aren't common?


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26413595 - 01/03/20 02:51 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

That's some scary images JSB. You should see the nightly news, it's real horror show on the ground.

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Is the area your living in more of a desert where fires aren't common?



I live in the jungle. It's not unheard of for us to get 8m of rain in a year, 4m is pretty standard. Great for crocodiles, mozzies and fishing. Not really fire country.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Northerner]
    #26413606 - 01/03/20 03:23 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I saw somewhere that 500 million or so animals in the area have died.

500. Million.

That's just absolutely insane.

What the hell is going on there??


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: hTx]
    #26413626 - 01/03/20 04:11 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)



There's so many videos online though with a quick search. It's mostly pretty awful stuff though and not really good food for thought.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Northerner]
    #26413630 - 01/03/20 04:18 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)



That's intense.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Donnie S]
    #26413634 - 01/03/20 04:26 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Some of it gotta be man started :mad2:


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26414745 - 01/03/20 05:11 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Today everyone along a 260km stretch of coast has been told to leave, today.

The Navy are plucking people off the beaches as they have no other way out and there's too many for helicopters to rescue.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Northerner]
    #26414753 - 01/03/20 05:16 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I remember reading an article in the Melbourne paper when I was there in 2005 talking about how the lack of water will be the greatest crisis Australia would face in the next 50 years.

Certainly seems they were right. Amazing how these climate predictions come true so often but the other side thinks they get it wrong.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26414770 - 01/03/20 05:28 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

my heart goes out to the people impacted by this:heart:


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: koods]
    #26414796 - 01/03/20 05:40 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

“Other side”?


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26414802 - 01/03/20 05:42 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

The pajama people.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26414812 - 01/03/20 05:47 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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“Other side”?



The people who think climate change is a hoax


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Northerner]
    #26414819 - 01/03/20 05:49 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Man I forgot you were in Australia, Northerner.

What is your immediate situation like?


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26414862 - 01/03/20 06:11 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Man I forgot you were in Australia, Northerner.

What is your immediate situation like?




I'm okay, literally in the wettest region of the country so the fires here have been controllable. My friends and family are scattered all over, some are in the hell zones.

Thanks for asking though.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26414874 - 01/03/20 06:14 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

The smoke had reached almost all Major cities along the eastern coast.
Canberra and Sydney are still routinely choked in thick smog. Yesterday Melbourne had some thick smoke blanketing the entire city.
Its even crossed the Tasman sea & started to coat New Zealand's glaciers in ash;

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/02/smoke-australias-bushfires-shrowds-new-zealand-glaciers-turn/

Even though the destruction & death toll are still escalating. the government are adamant that climate change isn't a serious issue or only plays a minor role in all this.
They have their heads so far up their own asses that some members of the current leading party will even go out of their way to blame the environmentalist party the "Greens" for the reason behind these fires. The problem is that isolated populations of passive thinking people eat that shit up. Like this guy;

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9fcj2_1577900911

-The Greens aren't in government at a Federal or State level & its not even their policy. They actually support hazard reduction burning
-Burn offs are allowed on private property in the right conditions/time of year. Though because of climate change those Ideal times are become much less frequent.
-Warmer, drier, windy or wet conditions are preventing burn offs from being done.


Its sad to think that he's serious.
Like the yearly record breaking temperatures & heatwaves have nothing to do with the fires? Even The Coal power stations near my area are still billowing smoke from their chimneys even when there's plenty of bush fire smog already chocking the atmosphere.
I hope positive environmental changes are eventually implemented as a result of these disasters. Or things will only get worse. :sad:


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Nickoloxious] * 1
    #26418086 - 01/05/20 06:12 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Seems to be getting worse. It's extremely sad and disheartening.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Donnie S]
    #26418615 - 01/06/20 12:14 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Can anyone conjure some rain ?


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26418623 - 01/06/20 12:26 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

🤯 I heard that Australia was on fire. I figured a decent portion..... Wow!  I had no idea!  Such a tragedy!  Thoughts, prayers and rain dances!!!


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: microdose83]
    #26418645 - 01/06/20 01:15 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

I'm sorry


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Nymphaea]
    #26418671 - 01/06/20 02:04 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)



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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: koods]
    #26418725 - 01/06/20 04:02 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

For reference, an area the size of the state of Indiana is burnt, we're 6 days into our regular fire season and the fires are expected to burn for another 8 weeks.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: brk] * 3
    #26418726 - 01/06/20 04:08 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Its sunspots and the greens that I hold accountable.
We should speed up burning fossil fuels increase emissions because more Co2 would deprive the fires of oxygen.:leocheers:


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: pineninja]
    #26418736 - 01/06/20 04:39 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)



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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #26418779 - 01/06/20 06:13 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

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Can anyone conjure some rain ?




there's not enough Aboriginees left to hold the traditional rain dance


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Tantrika]
    #26418871 - 01/06/20 07:31 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

People for the most part will be safe. Their homes will burn, but it's all the wildlife that has it the worst. Their homes and lives. Don't get me wrong, I'm not putting an animals life over a person's, but I am saying that humans have more resources and other means to stay alive.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Donnie S]
    #26418881 - 01/06/20 07:36 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

I heard the koalas are fucked. :sad:


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26419261 - 01/06/20 12:43 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Alot of species are fucked, especially in NSW. Ironically the species that created this set of circumstances will be fine.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26419360 - 01/06/20 01:54 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

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I heard the koalas are fucked. :sad:




Yeah.  Even if they escape the fire, much of their habitat is gone.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: badchad] * 1
    #26419376 - 01/06/20 02:01 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

If they suspend the Australian Open, I'm going to be so pissed.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26419626 - 01/06/20 04:43 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

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I heard the koalas are fucked. :sad:




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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26425069 - 01/09/20 04:59 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)



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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Tantrika] * 2
    #26425208 - 01/09/20 06:27 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

My kids are on school holidays now and are spending a lot of time sewing up pouches to give to wildlife centers for recovering animals. Darn fine little people they are.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Northerner]
    #26427774 - 01/11/20 09:35 AM (4 years, 18 days ago)

One thing I do not understand is the steps they are taking to put out the flames.

A few years ago I saw a huge plan drop down into a lake, scoop up a bunch of water, and fly to the fire and dump water. I mean, Australia is a damn island...


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Donnie S]
    #26428150 - 01/11/20 01:45 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Yeah its terrible

I donated 20 bucks (for a raffle with a small chance of winning an epic surftrip)


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    #26428203 - 01/11/20 02:14 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

This has been  hugely devastating, my heart goes out to all of Australia



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    #26428230 - 01/11/20 02:28 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Frontline documentary of the camp fire. Super intense



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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Atreyu]
    #26428241 - 01/11/20 02:32 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Global warming is known to happen since around 40 Years by now. The broader public doesn't want to know no one wants to change lifestyle. It will be interesting to see how global warming will do what reasoning failed to do.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Donnie S]
    #26428283 - 01/11/20 02:48 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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One thing I do not understand is the steps they are taking to put out the flames.

A few years ago I saw a huge plan drop down into a lake, scoop up a bunch of water, and fly to the fire and dump water. I mean, Australia is a damn island...



I don't think you fully grasp how much water is needed for a forest fire. A 55 gallon drum weighs roughly 400lbs. Which is enough water to put out like maybe a small flaming sapling. If each tree requires around 1000 gallons and there are 10,000 trees on fire, that's like 75 million pounds of water


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    #26428392 - 01/11/20 03:42 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Have there been reports of people setting these fires intentionally?


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    #26428395 - 01/11/20 03:44 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Probably. Most have been started by lightning.


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    #26428402 - 01/11/20 03:46 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

It's getting t the point where you would need a few missile strikes to blow away the fire.  Damage is done anyway.


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    #26428406 - 01/11/20 03:49 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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Probably. Most have been started by lightning.




Giant fires happen, the areas that were populated were burned when the natives left, but the uninhabited areas eventually burn on their own and ferociously.

That's why they burned when they left it created fire breaks.


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    #26428422 - 01/11/20 03:59 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Early in the season there were a few kids who got pulled up for setting fires intentionally, but that seems to have stopped now. It's no longer a game.

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    #26428425 - 01/11/20 04:01 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

I saw the editor of the Australian is whining about the climate change narrative coming from the rest of the press.


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    #26428431 - 01/11/20 04:04 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Yeah, well. That's probably pretty unpopular news for a lot of very rich people. The Australian panders to the rich.


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    #26428470 - 01/11/20 04:27 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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One thing I do not understand is the steps they are taking to put out the flames.

A few years ago I saw a huge plan drop down into a lake, scoop up a bunch of water, and fly to the fire and dump water. I mean, Australia is a damn island...



I don't think you fully grasp how much water is needed for a forest fire. A 55 gallon drum weighs roughly 400lbs. Which is enough water to put out like maybe a small flaming sapling. If each tree requires around 1000 gallons and there are 10,000 trees on fire, that's like 75 million pounds of water




It can scoop 1400 gallons in 10 secs. Australia is surrounded by water.

Sure it won't stop it 100% but I can def help.


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One thing I do not understand is the steps they are taking to put out the flames.

A few years ago I saw a huge plan drop down into a lake, scoop up a bunch of water, and fly to the fire and dump water. I mean, Australia is a damn island...



I don't think you fully grasp how much water is needed for a forest fire. A 55 gallon drum weighs roughly 400lbs. Which is enough water to put out like maybe a small flaming sapling. If each tree requires around 1000 gallons and there are 10,000 trees on fire, that's like 75 million pounds of water




It can scoop 1400 gallons in 10 secs. Australia is surrounded by water.

Sure it won't stop it 100% but I can def help.



You're right Donnie. They are probably just dumb Aussies and never thought of that


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    #26428499 - 01/11/20 04:44 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

They are using water bombers to protect houses where possible. But trying to put out the main fires with them is pointless.

Eucalypt fires are something else hey. These trees burn hotter than hell and the oils turn into vapour/gas, which burns even hotter. Trying to put out gas fires with water just doesn't work.


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    #26428511 - 01/11/20 04:50 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

No need to be an ass. it was only a thought.


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    #26428512 - 01/11/20 04:50 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

It appears you might need a frame of reference for little island.



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No need to be an ass. it was only a thought.



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    #26428547 - 01/11/20 05:16 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

I learned that people need to think outside the box. And yes, a little island. It's not even the size of the US.


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    #26428562 - 01/11/20 05:29 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

my thought was that water bombing with ocean water was bad news bears for vegetative growth due to salt
like how California burns and has water problems but it's a coastal state

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    #26428573 - 01/11/20 05:37 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

California has problems cause we build thousands of homes in known fire zones, KNOWN FIRE ZONES.


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    #26428581 - 01/11/20 05:40 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

It sounds like you're assuming that we aren't using waterbombers. We use hundreds of small, medium and large planes as well as blackhawks, heli-tankers and heli-cranes. We've got US and Canadian planes that flew in about a month ago to help aswell.

The planes and tankers fill up from the many reservoirs we have and have free access to private dams. As a country that doesn't always have a lot of rain, we have a large amount of inland water storage, so acces to water for the bombers has never been a problem.

In almost all cases the sea would be a much much longer trip and waste valuable time. Plus it's salt so it would fuck up planes, pumps and inhibit new growth.


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    #26428604 - 01/11/20 05:55 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Holy shit... It was just a fucking question/ thought.

Cool, guys. Real fucking cool.


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    #26428610 - 01/11/20 06:01 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

You're going to need to work on the depth of skin you're bringing here mate.

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    #26428613 - 01/11/20 06:04 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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California has problems cause we build thousands of homes in known fire zones, KNOWN FIRE ZONES.



Don't forget that they've drained the water table dry. I read that even with current climate conditions, it would take one hundred years AFTER we go extinct to replenish the water table. We literally drained the earth dry, like wow


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    #26428615 - 01/11/20 06:06 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Weve done it as well in quite a few places...whats left is so saline its unusable.

Agriculture is the biggest drain.

We grow rice and cotton in the desert.:thumbsup:


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Weve done it as well in quite a few places...whats left is so saline its unusable.

Agriculture is the biggest drain.

We grow rice and cotton in the desert.:thumbsup:





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    #26428636 - 01/11/20 06:24 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

I think he's referring to the water resources in Australia sui, not overall damage done to the environment by humans.


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    #26428640 - 01/11/20 06:27 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

:rolleyes:


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I think he's referring to the water resources in Australia sui, not overall damage done to the environment by humans.




I am refering to the burning done by native Americans to the lands they left and burned to keep safe for themselves when they left.

The context is that fires on continents happen and ignoring the causes of them and blaming climate change is silly is some circumstances but not all.


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    #26428649 - 01/11/20 06:35 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

We have stripped the lands diversity of flora and fauna..
We misuse the precious resource that is water.
We have polluted the globe by burning fossil fuels.
We have unsustainable ways of producing food.
We have disconnected from proper land management like controlled burns.

Keep putting these on top of each other till you get to man made climate change.

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    #26428660 - 01/11/20 06:45 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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I think he's referring to the water resources in Australia sui, not overall damage done to the environment by humans.




I am refering to the burning done by native Americans to the lands they left and burned to keep safe for themselves when they left.

The context is that fires on continents happen and ignoring the causes of them and blaming climate change is silly is some circumstances but not all.



Wut


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We have stripped the lands diversity of flora and fauna..
We misuse the precious resource that is water.
We have polluted the globe by burning fossil fuels.
We have unsustainable ways of producing food.
We have disconnected from proper land management like controlled burns.

Keep putting these on top of each other till you get to man made climate change.

Not sure what your point is anyway tbh.





Uh all of them??!!


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    #26428682 - 01/11/20 07:11 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

This is sad :frown: sounds like they need a smokey the bear kangaroo :/


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    #26428685 - 01/11/20 07:13 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

That’s all they got


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We have stripped the lands diversity of flora and fauna..
We misuse the precious resource that is water.
We have polluted the globe by burning fossil fuels.
We have unsustainable ways of producing food.
We have disconnected from proper land management like controlled burns.

Keep putting these on top of each other till you get to man made climate change.

Not sure what your point is anyway tbh.





Uh all of them??!!



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    #26428702 - 01/11/20 07:28 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Are kangaroos in Australia like deer on the Esst coast of the US? Like when you pull into your driveway do you have a dozen kangaroo stare at you for a minute before they panic and scatter?

Do kangaroos get into subway stations?



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    #26428707 - 01/11/20 07:35 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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I think he's referring to the water resources in Australia sui, not overall damage done to the environment by humans.




I am refering to the burning done by native Americans to the lands they left and burned to keep safe for themselves when they left.

The context is that fires on continents happen and ignoring the causes of them and blaming climate change is silly is some circumstances but not all.



Wut




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Native Americans' use of fire to manage vegetation in what is now the Eastern United States was more profound than previously believed, according to a Penn State researcher who determined that forest composition change in the region was caused more by land use than climate change.

"I believe Native Americans were excellent vegetation managers and we can learn a lot from them about how to best manage forests of the U.S.," said Marc Abrams, professor of forest ecology and physiology in the College of Agricultural Sciences. "Native Americans knew that to regenerate plant species that they wanted for food, and to feed game animals they relied on, they needed to burn the forest understory regularly."

Over the last 2,000 years at least, according to Abrams -- who for three decades has been studying past and present qualities of eastern U.S. forests -- frequent and widespread human-caused fire resulted in the predominance of fire-adapted tree species. And in the time since burning has been curtailed, forests are changing, with species such as oak, hickory and pine losing ground.

"The debate about whether forest composition has been largely determined by land use or climate continues, but a new study strongly suggests anthropogenic fire has been the major driver of forest change in the East," said Abrams. "That is important to know because climate change is taking on an ever larger proportion of scientific endeavor."

But this phenomenon does not apply to other regions, Abrams noted. In the western U.S., for example, climate change has been much more pronounced than in the East. That region has received much more warming and much more drought, he explained.

"Here in the East, we have had a slight increase in precipitation that has ameliorated the warming," said Abrams.



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He draws the can back and forth across the green, turning it red and then black. The lines of little flames creep along the forest floor, ebbing and growing with the contours of the land.

This fire will chew out the underbrush and lick the moss off the trees. It will blister the hazel stalks and coax strong new shoots that will be gathered and woven into baskets for babies and caps for traditional dancers, and it will tease the tan oak acorns to drop. It will burn the invasive plants that suck up the rain, letting more clean, cool water flow through the black, into the watershed and down the Klamath river for the salmon.

Soon all that black will be dotted with bear grass and huckleberries pushing up for the sunlight and down for the water they couldn’t reach when they were crowded out by tall scotch broom and dense twists of blackberries and the ever-encroaching fir trees. Even sooner, animals will flock here to roll in the ash, a California dust bath.

For more than 13,000 years, the Yurok, Karuk, Hupa, Miwok, Chumash and hundreds of other tribes across California and the world used small intentional burns to renew local food, medicinal and cultural resources, create habitat for animals, and reduce the risk of larger, more dangerous wild fires.

This is “good fire”, traditional practitioners and firefighters would say.



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Using traditional techniques as a part of fire suppression could help revitalize American Indian cultures, economies, and livelihoods—and reduce the risk of catastrophic wildfires, a new study suggests.

Researchers say the findings could inform plans to incorporate the cultural burning practices into forest management across an area one and a half times the size of Rhode Island.

Traditional baby baskets of Northern California’s Yurok and Karuk tribes made out of hazelnut shrub stems cost more than a new iPhone XS. They come at a premium not only because skilled weavers handcraft them, but also because the stems required to make them only grow in forest understory areas experiencing a type of controlled burn tribes once practiced but has been suppressed for more than a century.

“We must have fire in order to continue the traditions of our people,” says Margo Robbins, a Yurok basket weaver and director of the Yurok Cultural Fire Management Council who advised the researchers. “There is such a thing as good fire.”

“Burning connects many tribal members to an ancestral practice that they know has immense ecological and social benefit especially in the aftermath of industrial timber activity and ongoing economic austerity,” says lead study author Tony Marks-Block, a doctoral candidate in anthropology at Stanford University who worked with Lisa Curran, professor in environmental anthropology.



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    #26428722 - 01/11/20 07:46 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

I would say it's arguable if it's "good burning." It's just burning that benefits us. But still, pretty interesting


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    #26428730 - 01/11/20 07:55 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

No shit.  It is on the news in the States everyday.  You guys are fucked let alone all the animals.  Interesting world with climate change as the years go by.  I am in the perfect place.

California isn't doing to well either but nothing compared to Koala land.:shrug:


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    #26428737 - 01/11/20 07:59 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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I would say it's arguable if it's "good burning." It's just burning that benefits us. But still, pretty interesting




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"Modern forests are dominated by tree species that are increasingly cool-adapted, shade-tolerant, drought-intolerant pyrophobes -- trees that are reduced when exposed to repeated forest burning," Abrams said. "Species such as oak are largely promoted by low-to moderate-level forest fires. Furthermore, this change in forest composition is making eastern forests more vulnerable to future fire and drought."



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After 1940, they found, fire suppression was an ecologically transformative event in all forests.

"Our analysis identifies multiple instances in which fire and vegetation changes were likely driven by shifts in human population and land use beyond those expected from climate alone," Abrams said. "After Smokey Bear came on the scene, fire was mostly shut down throughout the U.S. and we have been paying a big price for that in terms of forest change. We went from a moderate amount of fire to too much fire to near zero fire -- and we need to get back to that middle ground in terms of our vegetation management."




it is arguably "good" for the forest as well
depending on if your view is that it is better to have a consistent and disaster resistant habitat
or one that operates in cycles of catastrophic upheaval and regrowth

fortunately, we are equipped for the second situation as well
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    #26428758 - 01/11/20 08:16 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Hm. I guess with how climate change went we did kinda shoot ourselves in the foot with Smokey the Bear. On the scale of time of Earth, I don't think that creating "pyrophobe" forests was necessarily a bad thing. During times of extreme cold and extreme wet I'm sure fires plummeted to near zero, and yet within the last 500 years this planet was positively covered in trees. Smokey the Bear was an attempt to solve a problem that was not only created by us but only really negatively affected us.

So by that logic, we should allow disease to wipe out large swaths of humanity to decrease the trasmitability of future, more deadly diseases. If I'm understanding this properly, we would need to burn forests near human settlements which we consider amoral and unacceptable, much like allowing disease to do what it was meant to do.

Native Americans didn't generally give a fuck about other tribes. They would have no problem burning one location and then moving there after it began to recover, regardless of who was living there at the time. Not to mention the thousands of animals they displaced and killed with the fires.


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    #26428768 - 01/11/20 08:21 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

It was used an integral part of the lands management by the indigenous people here.

Usually mapped out over generations they would strategically burn parts of their area.

This was for regeneration, safety, and immediate food purposes.

As we unpick these issues nationally post the immediate crisis I am hoping that we heed their advice for once.

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So by that logic, we should allow disease to wipe out large swaths of humanity to decrease the trasmitability of future, more deadly diseases.
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actually, using fire to promote the growth of fire-resistant plant life would be more like injecting portions of the human population with diseases
to prevent more deadly outbreaks of disease

but suppose when it is put like that, it sounds pretty crazy compared to just letting disease naturally take its course

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If I'm understanding this properly, we would need to burn forests near human settlements which we consider amoral and unacceptable, much like allowing disease to do what it was meant to do.
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We already manage areas as parkland, it is just a different form of management

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Native Americans didn't generally give a fuck about other tribes. They would have no problem burning one location and then moving there after it began to recover, regardless of who was living there at the time. Not to mention the thousands of animals they displaced and killed with the fires.




this seems more in line with sentiments informing modern approaches to sustainable pastures and crops

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Canadian farmers are cultivating some sustainable farming techniques that the United Nations' latest climate change report identified as particularly useful for an industry it concluded must make drastic changes to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issued a report last week warning that global food supplies are at risk from climate change and land degradation.

One major conclusion was that the agricultural sector needs to rethink traditional practices, including producing less meat and more plants — which require less room to grow and produce fewer emissions — otherwise Canada will not be spared from the global impacts of food shortages and price shocks if temperatures continue to rise.

Along with setting out the potentially dire consequences of inaction, the report also outlined some of the techniques that could both reduce emissions and reverse the trend.

One of the most decisively helpful options was to increase the organic content in soil, by using the land to capture carbon — a practice an increasing number of Canadian farmers employ using a variety of techniques.

Crop farmers have been working to capture carbon, which helps not just on the climate front but also for the sustainability and resilience of the soil, said David Burton, a professor in Dalhousie University's department of plant, food and environmental sciences.

"It's a rare example of one of the mitigation options that has really, really big positive advantages beyond greenhouse gas mitigation."

Decades of intensity farming have started to push down the organic matter in soil that helps keep it healthy and fertile and prevents erosion, he noted.

"We're realizing we can't just push this thing to the max all the time, we're going to have to start thinking about the condition of the soil."

A key technique for farmers is to no longer till the soil, so the organic matter isn't disturbed and can properly break down.

"That's how soil organic matter forms, by leaving it alone," said Burton.

No-tillage seeding has grown significantly in the past two decades, from use in less than seven per cent of cropland in 1991 to 56 per cent in 2011.



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Payne is one of a number of small-scale "regenerative farmers" who believe that raising grass-fed cattle can actually help reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

"We use animals here as tools on the land to capture the carbon and store it in the ground," Payne said.

Carbon capture, as it's called, involves keeping plant life healthy so it can pull carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and into the soil, trapping it underground.

Her cows graze on grass in a large field by the side of a road in Greely, in the south end of Ottawa.

Every morning and evening she moves them along to a new spot to let the grazed ground regenerate, promoting the growth of plants. She said that helps fight climate change.



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That really happened and now it’s joke.

She spent years in prison, then the first thing she did when pardoned was to watch Seinfeld cause she heard it was a good show


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    #26428787 - 01/11/20 08:41 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

I got chased by a dingo



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    #26428806 - 01/11/20 08:57 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

What? That’s an actual dingo chasing me after we saw him coming and got in the car in the Northern Territory.

We had pulled over so I could take this picture



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Frontline documentary of the camp fire. Super intense



People burned down to their skeletons by wildfire. “This lady had to put her makeup on. She died because of it.”





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Are kangaroos in Australia like deer on the Esst coast of the US? Like when you pull into your driveway do you have a dozen kangaroo stare at you for a minute before they panic and scatter?

Do kangaroos get into subway stations?



Do you have city kangaroos that look both ways before crossing the street?





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I think he's referring to the water resources in Australia sui, not overall damage done to the environment by humans.




I am refering to the burning done by native Americans to the lands they left and burned to keep safe for themselves when they left.

The context is that fires on continents happen and ignoring the causes of them and blaming climate change is silly is some circumstances but not all.



Wut




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Native Americans' use of fire to manage vegetation in what is now the Eastern United States was more profound than previously believed, according to a Penn State researcher who determined that forest composition change in the region was caused more by land use than climate change.

"I believe Native Americans were excellent vegetation managers and we can learn a lot from them about how to best manage forests of the U.S.," said Marc Abrams, professor of forest ecology and physiology in the College of Agricultural Sciences. "Native Americans knew that to regenerate plant species that they wanted for food, and to feed game animals they relied on, they needed to burn the forest understory regularly."

Over the last 2,000 years at least, according to Abrams -- who for three decades has been studying past and present qualities of eastern U.S. forests -- frequent and widespread human-caused fire resulted in the predominance of fire-adapted tree species. And in the time since burning has been curtailed, forests are changing, with species such as oak, hickory and pine losing ground.

"The debate about whether forest composition has been largely determined by land use or climate continues, but a new study strongly suggests anthropogenic fire has been the major driver of forest change in the East," said Abrams. "That is important to know because climate change is taking on an ever larger proportion of scientific endeavor."

But this phenomenon does not apply to other regions, Abrams noted. In the western U.S., for example, climate change has been much more pronounced than in the East. That region has received much more warming and much more drought, he explained.

"Here in the East, we have had a slight increase in precipitation that has ameliorated the warming," said Abrams.



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He draws the can back and forth across the green, turning it red and then black. The lines of little flames creep along the forest floor, ebbing and growing with the contours of the land.

This fire will chew out the underbrush and lick the moss off the trees. It will blister the hazel stalks and coax strong new shoots that will be gathered and woven into baskets for babies and caps for traditional dancers, and it will tease the tan oak acorns to drop. It will burn the invasive plants that suck up the rain, letting more clean, cool water flow through the black, into the watershed and down the Klamath river for the salmon.

Soon all that black will be dotted with bear grass and huckleberries pushing up for the sunlight and down for the water they couldn’t reach when they were crowded out by tall scotch broom and dense twists of blackberries and the ever-encroaching fir trees. Even sooner, animals will flock here to roll in the ash, a California dust bath.

For more than 13,000 years, the Yurok, Karuk, Hupa, Miwok, Chumash and hundreds of other tribes across California and the world used small intentional burns to renew local food, medicinal and cultural resources, create habitat for animals, and reduce the risk of larger, more dangerous wild fires.

This is “good fire”, traditional practitioners and firefighters would say.



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Using traditional techniques as a part of fire suppression could help revitalize American Indian cultures, economies, and livelihoods—and reduce the risk of catastrophic wildfires, a new study suggests.

Researchers say the findings could inform plans to incorporate the cultural burning practices into forest management across an area one and a half times the size of Rhode Island.

Traditional baby baskets of Northern California’s Yurok and Karuk tribes made out of hazelnut shrub stems cost more than a new iPhone XS. They come at a premium not only because skilled weavers handcraft them, but also because the stems required to make them only grow in forest understory areas experiencing a type of controlled burn tribes once practiced but has been suppressed for more than a century.

“We must have fire in order to continue the traditions of our people,” says Margo Robbins, a Yurok basket weaver and director of the Yurok Cultural Fire Management Council who advised the researchers. “There is such a thing as good fire.”

“Burning connects many tribal members to an ancestral practice that they know has immense ecological and social benefit especially in the aftermath of industrial timber activity and ongoing economic austerity,” says lead study author Tony Marks-Block, a doctoral candidate in anthropology at Stanford University who worked with Lisa Curran, professor in environmental anthropology.



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    #26428839 - 01/11/20 09:32 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Have you people in Australia looked at the previous decades fire patterns to compare to?!


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Have you people the states ever thought that you dont have a monopoly on intelligence .


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Who thought that?! This is good fucking information and if you can't see it that is your fucking problem.


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    #26428847 - 01/11/20 09:39 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

When the 2017 fire started I learned the fire patterns of that area for a hundred fucking years.


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    #26428851 - 01/11/20 09:43 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Jesus dude.

Comparison is an overwhelmingly common part of the current conversation.

Grats to you for seeking out information...how advanced.


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    #26428855 - 01/11/20 09:46 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

My family has lived here for almost a hundred years. I'm not going to even get into the California genocide right fucking now but, fire happens.

Suppression of it is the problem.


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    #26428859 - 01/11/20 09:53 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

I think the mandatory wearing of helmets on bikes is wrong?!


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    #26428890 - 01/11/20 10:25 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Oh that's the fucking freedom you're worried about. :rolleyes:


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Go home sui. You're drunk lol


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People will say sui you are Drunk, but it does not discount the things I say.


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    #26428910 - 01/11/20 10:43 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

You know what the people that decide our laws do it over drinks.

And your going to discount what I say based on the fact I "might" be drunk?


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    #26428927 - 01/11/20 10:57 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Let’s just hope it’s because you’re drunk


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Drunkish...


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    #26429076 - 01/12/20 02:48 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

I guess it's slightly funny how common it is for people that have no understanding of the situation to rattle off all the 'you should or should've' solutions.

Less controlled burning was carried out the last few years, because the window of suitable days was much shorter.

Areas where controlled burns were done this year still burnt due to the extreme conditions and intensity of the fires fanned by verry strong winds.

We've had a multi-year drought in the eastern half of the country. Shit is dry af.

Areas of peat swamp in the subtropical rainforests of Tasmania burnt last year that were previously thought to be unburnable. Same with the peat in the Alpine regions of Victoria that burnt last week.

You cannot stop fires like the ones we have right now and will likely have over the coming months and years. We all fucked up and it's too late.


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    #26429084 - 01/12/20 03:04 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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I guess it's slightly funny how common it is for people that have no understanding of the situation to rattle off all the 'you should or should've' solutions.

Less controlled burning was carried out the last few years, because the window of suitable days was much shorter.

Areas where controlled burns were done this year still burnt due to the extreme conditions and intensity of the fires fanned by verry strong winds.

We've had a multi-year drought in the eastern half of the country. Shit is dry af.

Areas of peat swamp in the subtropical rainforests of Tasmania burnt last year that were previously thought to be unburnable. Same with the peat in the Alpine regions of Victoria that burnt last week.

You cannot stop fires like the ones we have right now and will likely have over the coming months and years. We all fucked up and it's too late.



I don't think anyone except that one newbie was saying otherwise mate. We were just discussing how we got here at all, some people don't want to blame climate change at all and some people want to completely blame climate change.

When the world is literally on fire, pointing fingers is pretty useless. I'm really sorry this is happening to you and the people you love, I just hope the world pulls together and helps you as much as they can


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    #26429088 - 01/12/20 03:22 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Completely open to being wrong but did I read that a large portion of the fires in Australia were actually caused by arsonists? I won't lie, the extremists on both ends of the spectrum keep me away from all the media upkeep regarding it.


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    #26429090 - 01/12/20 03:25 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

That's what some people said about our fires and it was flying embers.


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    #26429102 - 01/12/20 03:52 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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I don't think anyone except that one newbie was saying otherwise mate.



I was kinda talking about that guy, but it was a general observation, not necessarily directed at this thread.

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Completely open to being wrong but did I read that a large portion of the fires in Australia were actually caused by arsonists? I won't lie, the extremists on both ends of the spectrum keep me away from all the media upkeep regarding it.



~1% of fires were arson. The rest were dry lightning, trees falling on powerlines and stupid fucks using angle grinders.


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    #26429780 - 01/12/20 02:19 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

For people who have a better handle on the layout of the land and the direction/location of the fires, have there been any estimates on how long these fires will go and what amount of land will be burnt by the time they go out?  Are we like 50% done, or 75% through this?  You know what I’m saying?


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    #26429941 - 01/12/20 03:49 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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For people who have a better handle on the layout of the land and the direction/location of the fires, have there been any estimates on how long these fires will go and what amount of land will be burnt by the time they go out?  Are we like 50% done, or 75% through this?  You know what I’m saying?




Almost impossible to answer.

A lot of Australia is effectively not able to burn due to the fact its desert.

I'd GUESS that less than 1 percent of the total mainland has caught on fire... but as a proportion of areas that are able to be burnt itd be higher.

We have populated the coastal fringes which are cooler and greener than inland.
This is what has triggered all the angst
..these fringes are close to our cities and its these fringes that are on fire.

Large swathes of "untouched" national parks have burnt out and effectively run out of fuel..for now.

An large island near me has lost almost 50 percent of its entire area to fire.

We are still in the very beggining ot this years "fire season" with still many areas which have the potential to burn.
Also the risk of flare ups from the continuing fires.

It wont be over in my lifetime....its only getting worse.
Who knows what next year brings.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: pineninja]
    #26429949 - 01/12/20 03:54 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)



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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #26430109 - 01/12/20 06:02 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

I will let Australia burn, but I need to get some of those aborigines on my side so we can get to work. Maybe a rain dance and some love will bring about that...


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: santa mose]
    #26430261 - 01/12/20 08:20 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Rupert Murdoch owned media has consistently exaggerated the role of arson in Australia fires

https://t.co/Vu7hNiVsct


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: koods]
    #26430288 - 01/12/20 08:37 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

I say let it burn for now... I mean, lets not just love all the disasters that could bring about a change.


That's my philosophy, just let the world do what it does and lets use it to our advantage


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: santa mose]
    #26430308 - 01/12/20 09:02 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

What about all the thousands of people who don't have homes or jobs anymore?

Just sacrificial lambs for the cause?


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Northerner]
    #26430311 - 01/12/20 09:05 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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What about all the thousands of people who don't have homes or jobs anymore?

Just sacrificial lambs for the cause?





I;ll give them homes and a purpose with a little bit of culture as well


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: santa mose]
    #26430321 - 01/12/20 09:08 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Send them videos of you dancing


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: santa mose]
    #26430323 - 01/12/20 09:09 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

This is why nobody likes newbs


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: koods]
    #26430328 - 01/12/20 09:10 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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Send them videos of you dancing





I'm just gonna let it all burn and it would be a good job koods... Rain dance in a year with a hit of DMT to the main vein... I am gonna give venus some glorious new fruit during the sun solstice...


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: bloodsheen]
    #26430333 - 01/12/20 09:13 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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This is why nobody likes newbs





I was once a newb, but I grew as did this planet... I love the fungus and can't wait to populate the world with more knowledge of the ancient days. Mycology will become a new religion with me, and we will love all of it without all those stupid changes...

Want to know about the pyramids and how I saved your asses back in the day to repopulate this planet? Will be a good story to write.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: santa mose]
    #26430341 - 01/12/20 09:14 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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I say let it burn for now... I mean, lets not just love all the disasters that could bring about a change.


That's my philosophy, just let the world do what it does and lets use it to our advantage




But what if it isn't the natural world that is totally responsible for these events anymore? If people are even somewhat responsible for creating these fires then does that change your opinion? Not trying to be rude, just a thought...

Not that we could stop a lot of these fires anyways.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: santa mose]
    #26430346 - 01/12/20 09:16 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

In the real world there's consequences for being a cunt santa mose. You should go outside more.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Sempeur]
    #26430352 - 01/12/20 09:19 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Quote:

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I say let it burn for now... I mean, lets not just love all the disasters that could bring about a change.


That's my philosophy, just let the world do what it does and lets use it to our advantage




But what if it isn't the natural world that is totally responsible for these events anymore? If people are even somewhat responsible for creating these fires then does that change your opinion? Not trying to be rude, just a thought...

Not that we could stop a lot of these fires anyways.





Maybe terrorists are starting the fires, but IDC... I just want the land to be dealt with and a government that contributes to destruction in the proper way...

I go outside never cause of the evil government that has kept me pissed off and locked in a box... I pan on making a big difference to these firese though. Because I can...


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: santa mose] * 2
    #26430512 - 01/13/20 12:04 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Just ignore this guy. It's the banned user Rizohunter making a comeback.

You may recall his spiral into meth induced delusions of grandeur, that landed him in a psyc ward.... and that hilarious youtube video threatening the shroomery :burke:

If you read back through his posts above you'll realise he's talking as if he's a god, and it'll all make sense.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: brk]
    #26430545 - 01/13/20 12:50 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Just ignore this guy. It's the banned user Rizohunter making a comeback.

You may recall his spiral into meth induced delusions of grandeur, that landed him in a psyc ward.... and that hilarious youtube video threatening the shroomery :burke:

If you read back through his posts above you'll realise he's talking as if he's a god, and it'll all make sense.





Don't piss me off man, I am dealing with Iran and Korea right now as well as hong kong while I am trying to get up in some miley cyrus snatch....

You aint got that shit going on and I sure as hell don't think you ever tried to get these governments to back off of nuclear deals... Me and Kim jung un are tight and I am about a level fuck this shit to the united states government if they don't give me the girls I want...

Me and Ivanka will talk, that's just what we do as I fucking finish this shit.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: santa mose] * 5
    #26430547 - 01/13/20 12:53 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

:freezy:


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Amanita86]
    #26432299 - 01/13/20 10:14 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

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:freezy:




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    #26434234 - 01/15/20 12:41 AM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Some much needed rain has arrived and there's much more to come over the rest of the week.

The rain gods have finally listened, for a while at least.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Northerner]
    #26434377 - 01/15/20 06:07 AM (4 years, 14 days ago)

good good


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: santa mose] * 1
    #26435995 - 01/16/20 02:45 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Your natives will die out just like in America.  Good luck in your future!  But you have a massive desert to go to.  Live like a nomad.  What Aussies will become when port cities are underwater.  But that is just a hoax.  No such thing as science.

Why the rich in Manhattan are building like the Netherlands has been for years.  Some believe but it is just junk science and fake news and scare tacticts.  Just see the world around you and what those in power are doing.  Is simple.  And Greta is racist and the coal is the future and she has no point reading her and she is dumb. 

Yeah the M's and Zoomers are fucked and fuck off.  As long as you have parents and money you will follow it to the end.  I don't respect that but time will teach in a non terrorist Muslim way.  Just, the earth.  Doesn't take violence dumb shits.















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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Barnaby] * 2
    #26436054 - 01/16/20 03:58 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I think that was genuinely one of the weirdest posts I've ever read in all my time on the Shroomery.

And that's saying something.


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26436066 - 01/16/20 04:21 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Far fucking out


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Re: Australia is burning. [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #26436143 - 01/16/20 05:44 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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I think that was genuinely one of the weirdest posts I've ever read in all my time on the Shroomery.

And that's saying something.



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