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Proper Lid Tek?
    #26413472 - 01/02/20 11:42 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I am looking for an updated proper lid tek. I am using Polyfil currently and had some contamination around 10%. Wondering if I could get that down a few percent using Tyvek, Micropore/Autoclave tape, or SFD? I picked up some Tyvek envelopes from the local post office and was thinking of trying that.


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: Mushr00mSurprise]
    #26413494 - 01/03/20 12:06 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Most of those you mentioned are a downgrade from polyfil and your contamination isn't coming from your filters.
Sfds are pretty great but the others you mentioned suck imo.
Polyfil makes a good filter. :thumbup:


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: gizmo1]
    #26413609 - 01/03/20 03:34 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

+1 SFD


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: Growtech]
    #26413611 - 01/03/20 03:40 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Plastic no mods are great


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: Mushr00mSurprise]
    #26413649 - 01/03/20 05:02 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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I am looking for an updated proper lid tek. I am using Polyfil currently and had some contamination around 10%. Wondering if I could get that down a few percent using Tyvek, Micropore/Autoclave tape, or SFD? I picked up some Tyvek envelopes from the local post office and was thinking of trying that.



You're trying to fix something that isn't the cause of the problem. Unless you made your polyfil lids completely wrong they work just as well as any other lid at keeping contamination out


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26413663 - 01/03/20 05:16 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

You can use synthetic filter disks cut into nickel size pieces in place of your polyfil if you already have holes. You would glue them on with high temperature silicone you can get at an automotive store.

I do mine like this. Each sfd can make about 20 plus.



Some people don’t like the small cut pieces and prefer one sfd per lid. Out of thousands of jars cooked over 10 years I’ve had maybe two come off.


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: eatyualive]
    #26413672 - 01/03/20 05:37 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I'm sure poly is very effective but its ugly as fuck..I use SFDs personally and they work great can wash and reuse them too...

While we are on the subject, why is micropore tape fine for pastyplates but not grains?


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26413691 - 01/03/20 05:59 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Anyway I can refrain from using poly is a win! Stuff is messy. Good point. Sfd lid’s are clean, easy to use, easy to clean(just rinse).

Hell I don’t even pc with foil over my lids,  just as is and the filters don’t even get soggy. Polyfil gets very wet.


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: eatyualive] * 1
    #26413722 - 01/03/20 06:38 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)



Everything gets wet in a pressure cooker. I don't use foil over the lids of any kind of grain jar including polyfil. I stopped that like 2-3 years ago. The foil is pointless



I prefer sfd but they literally work exactly the same.



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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26413731 - 01/03/20 06:44 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)



Sfd lids look nicer tho.


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26413927 - 01/03/20 09:18 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

A piece of tyvek suit taped down with  two layers of micropore tape works quite well.


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: cronicr]
    #26414184 - 01/03/20 11:25 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Plastic no mods are great



Ime plastic lids arent consistent enough for me. They warp if ya havent heard. Really not worth the investment, I'm switching back to the standard lids.
I understand your frustration with the polyfil. Its just time consuming task for a simple goal. Mp tape is the solution for that, it's cheap too.
I plan on using the standard self-sealing lids with mp tape from here on out (as long as the adhere to the smooth coating during the pc cycle)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6870950
Good read on the plastic vs standard lids. Very insightful


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: HighHarles]
    #26414250 - 01/03/20 12:04 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I know this is probably considered wrong and micropore tape isnt supposed to allow for air exchange, but I dont even use a lid. I put aluminum foil over top, secure with autoclave tape. Poke hole in middle and cover with micropore tape. Then individually bag each jar in ziplocs with hole covered in microtape straight from SAB. It takes about 3 weeks to colonize from lc ( much longer than what others report) but my spawn rarely gets contaminated this way.


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: OwlBundy]
    #26414282 - 01/03/20 12:28 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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I dont even use a lid.




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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: staytrippy420]
    #26414306 - 01/03/20 12:47 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I wanted to thank everyone for the response. I did go syringe to grain jar because I wanted to use up the syringe after inoculating my agar plates. The Polyfil looks just ugly but only seeing 1 jar out of ten go bad I guess is good for syringe. I want to try SFD but cant seem to find a good source for them. Also I cannot find a good source for case of plates. Anyone know where I can find SFD's and bulk plates based on a good experience?


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: cronicr]
    #26414321 - 01/03/20 12:53 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Plastic no mods are great



:whathesaid:

Doesn't get easier than this
I run both unmodded and sfd lids
Every now and again an sfd pops off and then I just toss the lid and sfd in the trash and grab another unmodded lid


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: Mushr00mSurprise]
    #26414335 - 01/03/20 01:00 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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I wanted to thank everyone for the response. I did go syringe to grain jar because I wanted to use up the syringe after inoculating my agar plates. The Polyfil looks just ugly but only seeing 1 jar out of ten go bad I guess is good for syringe. I want to try SFD but cant seem to find a good source for them. Also I cannot find a good source for case of plates. Anyone know where I can find SFD's and bulk plates based on a good experience?



If you want them quick, can get them on Amazon:  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HB74HXL/

If you want them cheap, you can order 100x 90mm SFDs from China with free shipping for $17:  https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000152295944.html


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: Growtech]
    #26414408 - 01/03/20 01:44 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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I wanted to thank everyone for the response. I did go syringe to grain jar because I wanted to use up the syringe after inoculating my agar plates. The Polyfil looks just ugly but only seeing 1 jar out of ten go bad I guess is good for syringe. I want to try SFD but cant seem to find a good source for them. Also I cannot find a good source for case of plates. Anyone know where I can find SFD's and bulk plates based on a good experience?



If you want them quick, can get them on Amazon:  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HB74HXL/

If you want them cheap, you can order 100x 90mm SFDs from China with free shipping for $17:  https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000152295944.html




Thank you just ordered the ones from china hopefully good quality. I found these dishes on Amazon best price I can find https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0177QWXHC


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: Mushr00mSurprise]
    #26414713 - 01/03/20 04:52 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Mushr00mSurprise said:
I wanted to thank everyone for the response. I did go syringe to grain jar because I wanted to use up the syringe after inoculating my agar plates. The Polyfil looks just ugly but only seeing 1 jar out of ten go bad I guess is good for syringe. I want to try SFD but cant seem to find a good source for them. Also I cannot find a good source for case of plates. Anyone know where I can find SFD's and bulk plates based on a good experience?



If you want them quick, can get them on Amazon:  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HB74HXL/

If you want them cheap, you can order 100x 90mm SFDs from China with free shipping for $17:  https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000152295944.html




Thank you just ordered the ones from china hopefully good quality. I found these dishes on Amazon best price I can find https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0177QWXHC



I dont know anything about that brand but I just ordered a case of smaller 60mm dishes for $78 off amazon. Celltreat brand so they are high quality. I'd look around a little more before ordering those I've found cases as low as $58 on ebay, random brands though.


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26414723 - 01/03/20 04:58 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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I'm sure poly is very effective but its ugly as fuck..I use SFDs personally and they work great can wash and reuse them too...

While we are on the subject, why is micropore tape fine for pastyplates but not grains?



It will work for grains , if it didn't allow gas exchange it would create a vacuum


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: Growtech]
    #26414741 - 01/03/20 05:10 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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I wanted to thank everyone for the response. I did go syringe to grain jar because I wanted to use up the syringe after inoculating my agar plates. The Polyfil looks just ugly but only seeing 1 jar out of ten go bad I guess is good for syringe. I want to try SFD but cant seem to find a good source for them. Also I cannot find a good source for case of plates. Anyone know where I can find SFD's and bulk plates based on a good experience?



If you want them quick, can get them on Amazon:  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HB74HXL/

If you want them cheap, you can order 100x 90mm SFDs from China with free shipping for $17:  https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000152295944.html



Have you tried out the China ones? Someone posted recently about receiving some that were paper thin. I'm looking for a good cheap source for some but I want some that will last me a while I've had the same ones for atleast 6 years now that are still going strong. I need some more like that.


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: gizmo1]
    #26414887 - 01/03/20 06:18 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Most of the China ones *are* made of paper.  Those ones I linked are glass fiber (fiberglass, which is what you want).  I got some that were good, but I'm always wary of stuff coming from China.  Maybe ask the seller the thickness and everything so you can ensure it's what you want.  The ones I got are about 1/10" thick.


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: Growtech]
    #26415125 - 01/03/20 08:26 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

That's ok I was just wondering if you had tried them. The cellulose ones suck have a bunch of those too. They definitely aren't thin though. They also aren't synthetic. Atleast not as far as I'm concerned. They're paper. :shrug:


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: gizmo1]
    #26415151 - 01/03/20 08:43 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

I really feel like a fiberglass sfd isn't the right kind for our use. Fiberglass is some nasty stuff I use it to build subwoofer enclosures and custom interior pieces I wouldn't take that shit anywhere near a grow. Weaved or not.
Can anyone confirm that this is what our sfds are made of I recall them being made of pfte or ptfe or some shit.


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: gizmo1]
    #26415161 - 01/03/20 08:49 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Geez - I've been rolling with micropore on my lids for my past 100 jars at least.

I'm a bit out of the loop - but didn't know they were so hated! hehe.

The more you know!

(I literally fly with a quarter inch hole and two new strips of micropore on every jar... never any big issues --- wondering if it's one of those things that adds to that bad jar here and there....) ?

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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26416503 - 01/04/20 06:41 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

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Everything gets wet in a pressure cooker. I don't use foil over the lids of any kind of grain jar including polyfil. I stopped that like 2-3 years ago. The foil is pointless




Would it be safe to assume foil is not needed when PCing agar as well?


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #26416613 - 01/04/20 08:08 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

I don't use it on bottles of agar


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Re: Proper Lid Tek? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26416892 - 01/05/20 12:12 AM (4 years, 24 days ago)

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I don't use it on bottles of agar




Sounds like I am going into 2020 foil free!


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