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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: feldman114]
    #26422529 - 01/08/20 08:39 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)



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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: feldman114]
    #26422551 - 01/08/20 09:05 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

There’s videos of it on youtube.  It was on fire as it was going down.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Amanita86]
    #26422558 - 01/08/20 09:09 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

We’ll know soon enough I guess, but Flight data doesn’t get abruptly cut off due to engine failure.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: feldman114]
    #26422605 - 01/08/20 09:48 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

i fux with iran i hope this war goes down


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: cannabinated]
    #26422617 - 01/08/20 09:53 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

No war, that wouldnt be good for anybody. This is all just dick measuring.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Aegis]
    #26422620 - 01/08/20 09:54 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Ah but it would. Wars are good for sitting presidents and their chances of being re-elected.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: feldman114] * 3
    #26422632 - 01/08/20 09:58 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

This thread was started by a liberal boomer that should stick to facebook comments.

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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: feldman114]
    #26422633 - 01/08/20 09:58 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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feldman114 said:
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What is the evidence it was hit by a missile? And why would Iran want to shoot down a Ukranian plane that had just taken off from the Tehran airport? Does Ukraine have anything to do with this dispute?




It’s a Ukrainian airline. The plane was apparently full of dual citizens (Iran/Canada) who were leaving on short notice. Most of the passengers were Iranian or Iranian/Canadian, yet they were fleeing Iran at first sight of war...yeah, you can imagine some of them were targets.

Plus, we HAVE THE FLIGHT DATA!!! The plane was climbing as usual, reporting no abnormalities, then boom - it’s gone. Sure, that doesn’t 100% prove it was shot down, but it’s definitely evidence pointing to that.



Why let the plane take off at all?


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Aegis]
    #26422634 - 01/08/20 09:59 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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Aegis said:
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Lophosaurus said:
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Aegis said:
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I don't understand why someone near him doesn't just take him out before he does something even more stupid. It could be a worker, camera guy, reporter, or anybody. IMO they would be looked at as a hero and would go down in history as the person that did the right thing when the rest of government failed.

Eventually we have to get together and stand up to the people in charge. Make them pay for their crimes and greed and hold them accountable for all of their actions. I'm not talking just the president of Iran or America, or just republicans, or just the democrats. Everybody in government and in power needs to be controlled, watched, and held to a much higher standard than anybody else.



Because not everybody agrees with you. Like it or nor not it's a mess. We can all point fingers and make death threats but at the end of the day the mess is going to have to be cleaned up.




Of course it's a mess. That is why we need to point fingers and punish the people responsible. How else do you clean this up? By sending your poorest citizens into war to kill because someone made fun of you on twitter?

I would say that most intelligent people think that all members of our government need to be held accountable and punished for their actions.

I would say that most intelligent people think that our laws need to be created and enforced on what is right and not because someone is a Democrat or Republican and should not be based on who is paying congress the most amount of money.

I would say that most intelligent people agree with me that Trump and the top leaders of Iran need to be removed from office and punished.

For committing crimes as a leader I think the penalty needs to be extreme. You can not tell a whole country of people that they can't kill, steal, sexually harass, spew hate speech, make money off presidency, rape, commit fraud, cage kids, commit acts of treason, and much more and then go and do those things yourself, especially while holding office.

A leader CAN NEVER put billions of lives and world peace on the line without a good reason, and a very well thought out plan. How can we let a TV show host start a war that attacks cultural sites and innocent people on a whim. Our military should step in and arrest him just for that. The military should work for the people, not just Trump or Khamenei.

Somebody with the power needs to do the right thing to make peace and if they can't then we the people need to unite and fix it ourselves.



Your argument still is based in the belief that everybody agrees with you. The only difference in this statement is that you've claimed that if somebody disagrees...they aren't intelligent. Not compelling.





No, my argument is not based in belief. There are polls done all the time, you can see people protesting all over the world, almost everyone that I talk to hates him. If somebody does disagree with those statements then they are either holding public office and committing crimes or there is like a 90% they are uneducated and uninformed.

Punishing the people in government who commit crimes and removing them from office is the only way to clean up this mess. It's completely obvious to everyone who pays attention.

How do you clean up the mess if you don't punish and remove the people that cause problems?


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: feldman114]
    #26422637 - 01/08/20 09:59 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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feldman114 said:
Ah but it would. Wars are good for sitting presidents and their chances of being re-elected.



I'm not trumper, but it would seem his chances of reelection were already good...he had nothing in that regard to gain from this. There is another reason behind it, I believe it's an attemp to develope bargaining power.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Aegis] * 1
    #26422641 - 01/08/20 10:01 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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Aegis said:
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feldman114 said:
Ah but it would. Wars are good for sitting presidents and their chances of being re-elected.



I'm not trumper, but it would seem his chances of reelection were already good...he had nothing in that regard to gain from this. There is another reason behind it, I believe it's an attemp to develope bargaining power.



Orly???
There wasn’t anything HUGE in the news, that was overshadowed by this Iran thing?
Nothing that happened for the 3rd time in us history?
Nothing that can absolutely ruin a president?


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: psi]
    #26422648 - 01/08/20 10:03 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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psi said:
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feldman114 said:
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psi said:
What is the evidence it was hit by a missile? And why would Iran want to shoot down a Ukranian plane that had just taken off from the Tehran airport? Does Ukraine have anything to do with this dispute?




It’s a Ukrainian airline. The plane was apparently full of dual citizens (Iran/Canada) who were leaving on short notice. Most of the passengers were Iranian or Iranian/Canadian, yet they were fleeing Iran at first sight of war...yeah, you can imagine some of them were targets.

Plus, we HAVE THE FLIGHT DATA!!! The plane was climbing as usual, reporting no abnormalities, then boom - it’s gone. Sure, that doesn’t 100% prove it was shot down, but it’s definitely evidence pointing to that.



Why let the plane take off at all?




Maybe to claim engine failure. Maybe some intel came in after takeoff.

Honestly, I won’t pretend to KNOW what’s going on in the Iranian version of the Situation Room.

I AM though ready to say that the facts we have so far point to foul play.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Aegis]
    #26422651 - 01/08/20 10:04 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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Aegis said:
Quote:

feldman114 said:
Ah but it would. Wars are good for sitting presidents and their chances of being re-elected.



I'm not trumper, but it would seem his chances of reelection were already good...he had nothing in that regard to gain from this. There is another reason behind it, I believe it's an attemp to develope bargaining power.





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Edited by Aegis (01/08/20 10:05 AM)


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: feldman114]
    #26422660 - 01/08/20 10:07 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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feldman114 said:
Quote:

Aegis said:
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feldman114 said:
Ah but it would. Wars are good for sitting presidents and their chances of being re-elected.



I'm not trumper, but it would seem his chances of reelection were already good...he had nothing in that regard to gain from this. There is another reason behind it, I believe it's an attemp to develope bargaining power.



Orly???
There wasn’t anything HUGE in the news, that was overshadowed by this Iran thing?
Nothing that happened for the 3rd time in us history?
Nothing that can absolutely ruin a president?



Possibly, time will tell I guess.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Aegis]
    #26422678 - 01/08/20 10:13 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Ok, so you do agree with me and just wouldn't consider that person a hero.

No, it is not a 50/50 split, it's a majority disapproval especially worldwide.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: feldman114]
    #26422683 - 01/08/20 10:16 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

feldman114 said:
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psi said:
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feldman114 said:
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psi said:
What is the evidence it was hit by a missile? And why would Iran want to shoot down a Ukranian plane that had just taken off from the Tehran airport? Does Ukraine have anything to do with this dispute?




It’s a Ukrainian airline. The plane was apparently full of dual citizens (Iran/Canada) who were leaving on short notice. Most of the passengers were Iranian or Iranian/Canadian, yet they were fleeing Iran at first sight of war...yeah, you can imagine some of them were targets.

Plus, we HAVE THE FLIGHT DATA!!! The plane was climbing as usual, reporting no abnormalities, then boom - it’s gone. Sure, that doesn’t 100% prove it was shot down, but it’s definitely evidence pointing to that.



Why let the plane take off at all?




Maybe to claim engine failure. Maybe some intel came in after takeoff.

Honestly, I won’t pretend to KNOW what’s going on in the Iranian version of the Situation Room.

I AM though ready to say that the facts we have so far point to foul play.




Maybe. To me it does not seem too plausible motivation wise.

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We’ll know soon enough I guess, but Flight data doesn’t get abruptly cut off due to engine failure.




What about fire?


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #26422692 - 01/08/20 10:21 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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Aegis said:
Quote:

Lophosaurus said:
Quote:

Aegis said:
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Lophosaurus said:
I don't understand why someone near him doesn't just take him out before he does something even more stupid. It could be a worker, camera guy, reporter, or anybody. IMO they would be looked at as a hero and would go down in history as the person that did the right thing when the rest of government failed.

Eventually we have to get together and stand up to the people in charge. Make them pay for their crimes and greed and hold them accountable for all of their actions. I'm not talking just the president of Iran or America, or just republicans, or just the democrats. Everybody in government and in power needs to be controlled, watched, and held to a much higher standard than anybody else.



Because not everybody agrees with you. Like it or nor not it's a mess. We can all point fingers and make death threats but at the end of the day the mess is going to have to be cleaned up.




Of course it's a mess. That is why we need to point fingers and punish the people responsible. How else do you clean this up? By sending your poorest citizens into war to kill because someone made fun of you on twitter?

I would say that most intelligent people think that all members of our government need to be held accountable and punished for their actions.

I would say that most intelligent people think that our laws need to be created and enforced on what is right and not because someone is a Democrat or Republican and should not be based on who is paying congress the most amount of money.

I would say that most intelligent people agree with me that Trump and the top leaders of Iran need to be removed from office and punished.

For committing crimes as a leader I think the penalty needs to be extreme. You can not tell a whole country of people that they can't kill, steal, sexually harass, spew hate speech, make money off presidency, rape, commit fraud, cage kids, commit acts of treason, and much more and then go and do those things yourself, especially while holding office.

A leader CAN NEVER put billions of lives and world peace on the line without a good reason, and a very well thought out plan. How can we let a TV show host start a war that attacks cultural sites and innocent people on a whim. Our military should step in and arrest him just for that. The military should work for the people, not just Trump or Khamenei.

Somebody with the power needs to do the right thing to make peace and if they can't then we the people need to unite and fix it ourselves.



Your argument still is based in the belief that everybody agrees with you. The only difference in this statement is that you've claimed that if somebody disagrees...they aren't intelligent. Not compelling.





No, my argument is not based in belief. There are polls done all the time, you can see people protesting all over the world, almost everyone that I talk to hates him. If somebody does disagree with those statements then they are either holding public office and committing crimes or there is like a 90% they are uneducated and uninformed.

Punishing the people in government who commit crimes and removing them from office is the only way to clean up this mess. It's completely obvious to everyone who pays attention.

How do you clean up the mess if you don't punish and remove the people that cause problems?



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Ok, so you do agree with me and just wouldn't consider that person a hero.

No, it is not a 50/50 split, it's a majority disapproval especially worldwide.



Essentially. Yes. I disagree with your perception of his approval. It was underestimated when he was elected and it is being underestimated now. His voter base is still if not more onboard. I agree that many of his supporters are "low information" but the same can be said of the other side of the isle. Personally, I don't trust any of them, I don't wish them to be "taken out" either.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: psi]
    #26422710 - 01/08/20 10:34 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

psi said:
Quote:

feldman114 said:
Quote:

psi said:
What is the evidence it was hit by a missile? And why would Iran want to shoot down a Ukranian plane that had just taken off from the Tehran airport? Does Ukraine have anything to do with this dispute?




It’s a Ukrainian airline. The plane was apparently full of dual citizens (Iran/Canada) who were leaving on short notice. Most of the passengers were Iranian or Iranian/Canadian, yet they were fleeing Iran at first sight of war...yeah, you can imagine some of them were targets.

Plus, we HAVE THE FLIGHT DATA!!! The plane was climbing as usual, reporting no abnormalities, then boom - it’s gone. Sure, that doesn’t 100% prove it was shot down, but it’s definitely evidence pointing to that.



Why let the plane take off at all?




Maybe to claim engine failure. Maybe some intel came in after takeoff.

Honestly, I won’t pretend to KNOW what’s going on in the Iranian version of the Situation Room.

I AM though ready to say that the facts we have so far point to foul play.




Maybe. To me it does not seem too plausible motivation wise.

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feldman114 said:
We’ll know soon enough I guess, but Flight data doesn’t get abruptly cut off due to engine failure.




What about fire?




Engine malfunctions can certainly cause planes to crash, but generally not in the manner observed with Flight 752. The wing, not the engine, is what keeps a plane in the air, and even if a plane loses power in all its engines, it can still glide for a considerable distance under pilot control (see: the Miracle on the Hudson). Even if an engine catches fire, the flight crew generally has time to respond.

^thats a quote from NYT. But I just think it makes no sense that data stopped being transmitted because of something that happened in the engines...and that’s based on my very limited knowledge o


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: koods]
    #26422711 - 01/08/20 10:35 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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koods said:
Pentagon is saying Iran targeted unpopulated parts of the airbase and trump is saying all is well.

Can you fucking imagine if the Obama administration made excuses for the country that just attacked us!






More proof that Trump should be nominated (and awarded) the Nobel Peace Prize


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #26422720 - 01/08/20 10:40 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Sooo Iraq was informed of the attack beforehand, but all 80 casualties were Iraqi, with 0 Americans injured? Anyone here believe this?

And omg, Trump is really about to respond to a bombing with sanctions?


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