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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Aegis] * 1
    #26422065 - 01/07/20 09:53 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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That killed 300 Iranians



Yes



And many more if they fuck around


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Aegis]
    #26422069 - 01/07/20 09:57 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

The reason for the shootdown has been disputed between the governments of the two countries. According to the United States government, the crew of USS Vincennes had incorrectly identified the Airbus as an attacking F-14 Tomcat, a U.S.-made jet fighter that had been part of the Iranian Air Force inventory since the 1970s. While the F-14s had been supplied to Iran in an air-to-air configuration,[4][5] the crew of the guided missile cruiser had been briefed that the Iranian F-14s were equipped with air-to-ground ordnance.[6] Vincennes had made ten attempts to contact the aircraft on both military and civilian radio frequencies, but had received no response.[7]

According to the Iranian government, the cruiser negligently shot down the aircraft, which was transmitting IFF squawks in Mode III, a signal that identified it as a civilian aircraft, and not Mode II as used by Iranian military aircraft.[8][9] The event generated a great deal of criticism of the United States. Some analysts blamed the captain of Vincennes, William C. Rogers III, for overly-aggressive behavior in a tense and dangerous environment.[7][10] In the days immediately following the incident, US President Ronald Reagan issued a written diplomatic note to the Iranian government, expressing deep regret.[11]


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Aegis]
    #26422074 - 01/07/20 09:58 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Actualy I'm not certain tjat the Aegis system was in use in 1988, I'll check

It appears to have been put in service in 1987.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Aegis]
    #26422076 - 01/07/20 09:59 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Rogers honestly sounds like he was a shitshow either way.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: chibiabos]
    #26422082 - 01/07/20 10:03 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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Rogers honestly sounds like he was a shitshow either way.



It's easy to judge when youre decisions don't mean the difference between the life or death of the sailors under your charge.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Aegis]
    #26422084 - 01/07/20 10:05 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

It was a commercial airliner. There’s no excuse.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: koods]
    #26422085 - 01/07/20 10:07 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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It was a commercial airliner. There’s no excuse.



Youre a radar\combat expert?


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Aegis]
    #26422086 - 01/07/20 10:08 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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It was a commercial airliner. There’s no excuse.



Youre a radar\combat expert?




No but apparently neither was Rogers


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Aegis]
    #26422089 - 01/07/20 10:10 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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Rogers honestly sounds like he was a shitshow either way.



It's easy to judge when youre decisions don't mean the difference between the life or death of the ssilors under your charge.



It's even easier to judge when you realize that he had a reputation for being overly aggressive.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: koods]
    #26422090 - 01/07/20 10:10 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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koods said:
It was a commercial airliner. There’s no excuse.



Youre a radar\combat expert?




No but apparently neither was Rogers



He probably knew a fuck-sight more than you, though.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: koods] * 2
    #26422091 - 01/07/20 10:11 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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koods said:
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koods said:
It was a commercial airliner. There’s no excuse.



Youre a radar\combat expert?




No but apparently neither was Rogers



He made a choice and it was the wrong choice. He biased his choice towards his men living to see their families. Leadership isn't the grand job that folks think it is.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: chibiabos]
    #26422096 - 01/07/20 10:13 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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koods said:
It was a commercial airliner. There’s no excuse.



Youre a radar\combat expert?




No but apparently neither was Rogers



He probably knew a fuck-sight more than you, though.




I haven’t killed anyone. Yet.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: chibiabos]
    #26422097 - 01/07/20 10:13 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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chibiabos said:
Rogers honestly sounds like he was a shitshow either way.



It's easy to judge when youre decisions don't mean the difference between the life or death of the ssilors under your charge.



It's even easier to judge when you realize that he had a reputation for being overly aggressive.



You've never been in the theatre of combat. Dont expect you to understand.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Aegis]
    #26422098 - 01/07/20 10:13 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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He made a choice and it was the wrong choice. He biased his choice towards his men living to see their families. Leadership isn't the grand job that folks think it is.



Rogers seems like the type who enjoyed being in command for the sake of being in command.  Some turds really do float to the top.  :justdontknow:


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Aegis]
    #26422099 - 01/07/20 10:14 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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Aegis said:
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Aegis said:
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chibiabos said:
Rogers honestly sounds like he was a shitshow either way.



It's easy to judge when youre decisions don't mean the difference between the life or death of the ssilors under your charge.



It's even easier to judge when you realize that he had a reputation for being overly aggressive.



You've never been in the theatre of combat. Dont expect you to understand.



The people who said that about him were the ones who served with and under him.  :shrug:


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: koods] * 1
    #26422101 - 01/07/20 10:15 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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I haven’t killed anyone. Yet.



Ooooh.  Edgy.  :whatever:


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: chibiabos]
    #26422105 - 01/07/20 10:17 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

are we obligated to care about any of this

isis shmycis


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: chibiabos]
    #26422111 - 01/07/20 10:23 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

It's easy to judge when youre decisions don't mean the difference between the life or death of the ssilors under your charge.



It's even easier to judge when you realize that he had a reputation for being overly aggressive.



You've never been in the theatre of combat. Dont expect you to understand.



The people who said that about him were the ones who served with and under him.  :shrug:



They're alive. He didn't gamble with their lives in that instance to protect his career. I'm not defended the fact that he fucked up royally, but I'd sleep well knowing he'd put my life above all else.


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Aegis]
    #26422112 - 01/07/20 10:24 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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They're alive. He didn't gamble with their lives in that instance to protect his career. I'm not defended the fact that he fucked up royally, but I'd sleep well knowing he'd put my life above all else.



I'd go into the submarine corps to avoid asshats like him.  :shrug:


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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Aegis]
    #26422113 - 01/07/20 10:24 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

They wouldn’t have been killed if they didn’t shoot down the plane. That’s completely fucked up logic.


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