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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: feevers]
#26420600 - 01/07/20 09:07 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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koods said: They put an $80 million bounty on his head
No, they didn’t. That’s media taking something said out of proportion.
According to snopes and everywhere else I've looked:
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A eulogist heard on Iranian state TV during the funeral procession of Qassem Soleimani called for an $80M bounty on President Trump's head.
What's Undetermined
The call for a bounty on Trump is not yet known to have been authorized by, or represent the official position of, Iranian authorities
So yes, "they" put a bounty on his head, it just wasn't Iranian officials who did it (directly, at least). As far as I know, no Iranian authorities have condemned the call for this bounty, and it's also entirely possible the eulogist was a direct proxy for these authorities to make their threat... I highly, highly doubt a country like Iran would allow any civilian to be speaking off-script on state television during such a tense moment as this.
The point of a bounty is that there is someone who will pay you the money. Putting an $80M bounty on someone means that you are in a position to pay out and claim you will do so if the deed is done. Calling for an $80M bounty amounts to floating a suggestion that others come up with the $80M.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: psi]
#26420604 - 01/07/20 09:09 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Just ask John Wick.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26420611 - 01/07/20 09:12 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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I haven't seen that one, is it any good?
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Dekozn]
#26420621 - 01/07/20 09:17 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Really? A meme war? Come on, that dude is fos.
He clearly said that it's a very unlikely reason. But it is in the mix nonetheless you can't ignore it. It's sad I know. That's the world we live in right now.
He talked about several others after.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: psi]
#26420625 - 01/07/20 09:23 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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The point of a bounty is that there is someone who will pay you the money. Putting an $80M bounty on someone means that you are in a position to pay out and claim you will do so if the deed is done. Calling for an $80M bounty amounts to floating a suggestion that others come up with the $80M.
The quotes I've found are all this or similar:
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We will give a prize of $80 million to whoever brings the head of the person who ordered the killing and terrorism of our big revolutionary hero
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"Anyone who brings the yellow-haired lunatic to us will get $80 million from the Iranian people,"
Just because someone doesn't have the money in hand doesn't mean they can't put a hit out on someone, or at the least encourage it. And to anyone not that smart or informed, this sounds like they'd receive $80m for committing the murder. Pedantic criticisms of the use of the word "bounty" aren't all that interesting, someone calling for the murder of the US president on Iranian state TV and encouraging the people to pay the murderer is pretty interesting.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: psi]
#26420633 - 01/07/20 09:26 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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I wonder if it would be illegal is to post an envelope adressed to "GoFundMe.com/help-assasinate-trump".
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: feevers]
#26420635 - 01/07/20 09:27 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Pedantic criticisms of the use of the word "bounty" aren't all that interesting
There is no state commitment to come up with the money. It's qualitatively a different situation than if there was such a commitment.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: psi]
#26420636 - 01/07/20 09:29 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Pedantic criticisms of the use of the word "bounty" aren't all that interesting
It's qualitatively a different situation than if there was such a commitment.
As far as I know, no one here said that it wasn't a different situation
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: feevers]
#26420642 - 01/07/20 09:32 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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There is a valid distinction to make between the two situations (i.e. putting a bounty on someone vs. calling for a bounty) and I made it. You suggested I was being pedantic.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: psi]
#26420661 - 01/07/20 09:48 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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The third J. Wick was not really that good, but the 1st 2 are, they could have left it alone after 2.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: tyrannicalrex] 1
#26420676 - 01/07/20 09:59 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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psi said: There is a valid distinction to make between the two situations (i.e. putting a bounty on someone vs. calling for a bounty) and I made it. You suggested I was being pedantic.
I understand, but the two quotes I posted are exactly that, putting a bounty on someone. I never argued that anyone had the money in hand to pay it, the guy says himself theyll need everyone to donate, but it seems like a pretty clear call for the murder of a president on live state TV, whether it fits the definition of a bounty or not... which as I said someone not fully informed or who didnt hear the whole speach may think it is a true bounty
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: feevers] 1
#26420728 - 01/07/20 10:25 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah I'm in agreement with all of what you said there terminology aside. And it's quite possible that regular Iranians would pitch in quite a bit in the event someone killed him (maybe not $80M though). Or that popular support may yet lead to state backing of a bounty in that amount. If Iran was to endorse it I think it would make all-out war a near certainty. Whereas right now there maybe is a chance that can be avoided.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: psi]
#26420826 - 01/07/20 11:21 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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deucedbi9 said: I wonder if it would be illegal is to post an envelope adressed to "GoFundMe.com/help-assasinate-trump".
If done in the US, absolutely.
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feevers said: So yes, "they" put a bounty on his head, it just wasn't Iranian officials who did it (directly, at least).
First off, thanks for presenting actual evidence. Second, thanks for presenting MY evidence for me. Site specific.
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feevers said: As far as I know, no Iranian authorities have condemned the call for this bounty,
as cheap as it is, why would they?
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feevers said: and it's also entirely possible the eulogist was a direct proxy for these authorities to make their threat...
very true. I agree with this, but the amount of the bounty is such a joke that my opinion makes me think this was some idiot speaking off the cuff. You could be right, though.
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feevers said: I highly, highly doubt a country like Iran would allow any civilian to be speaking off-script on state television during such a tense moment as this.
well, we’ll probably never find out because there’s no way Iran is going to disavow it. 80 million for a US president, what a joke.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: lowbrow] 3
#26420891 - 01/07/20 11:54 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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So they did put a bounty on his head and lowbrow is wrong again
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: koods]
#26420938 - 01/07/20 12:13 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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No. There is no officially sanctioned hit on the president from the country of Iran.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: lowbrow]
#26420943 - 01/07/20 12:15 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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But...but there’s no such thing as a “sanctioned hit” of any kind. Assassinations are generally looked down on lol
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: feldman114]
#26420955 - 01/07/20 12:19 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#26420960 - 01/07/20 12:22 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Because otherwise you're just stooping to the level of the person you're disagreeing with.
And no good ever came of that.
I don’t stoop. Argueing with koods is a waste of time, he wants evidence of anything, he can ask.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: feldman114]
#26420961 - 01/07/20 12:23 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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feldman114 said: But...but there’s no such thing as a “sanctioned hit” of any kind. Assassinations are generally looked down on lol
Tell that to salman rushdie.
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Re: Donald Trump just started a war with Iran. MAGA 🤦‍♂️ [Re: lowbrow]
#26421022 - 01/07/20 12:52 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Crazy_Horse said: https://seinfeld.fandom.com/wiki/Feldman

Holy tits that’s crazy funny - I swear I had a very close friend who’s last name was Kramer! Miss that guy...
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Tell that to salman rushdie.
The fiction writer?
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