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OfflineCharvel36
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Anhedonia/lack of interest 2 weeks after first trip
    #26412856 - 01/02/20 04:13 PM (4 years, 27 days ago)

Hey guys ! 2 weeks ago,  I had  my first trip (1,7g). The trip itself was visually interesting but when the nauseas kicked in, it was an downward spiral of anxiety and I wanted the trip to end. The day after I felt sober but a bit washed out. However since then, two weeks after, I kinda feel just a bit flat and I don't experience pleasure as sharply as I have to. It's like there's slight  layer of grey and blah on everything(smell, music, hobbies, beauty, laughs, tastes,  etc, ). Also, exercising  don't feel good afterward like it use to.

The funny part is that during the morning I get that kinda rush of excitement but it fade away quickly after. Also, there's  moments when I feel quite good happy if I force myself to socialise with peoples but it SEEM very exhausting for my brain because it kinda give me that super forced and unnatural chill/frisson with an accompanied face heat (best way I can describe it :tongue:).  Coffee seems to give me less of a "high" but worsen the layer of grey, I sleep A LOT more than I use to and I feel more tired than ever before at the end of the day. Also, some days I have the same feeling as if I cried my life (heat and heaviness in the face) but I haven't cried a single tear. As far as what I was able to experience was : ASMR, Love/Arousal, Laughs, fear/stress and sadness. I'm super functional in my routine  but I don't get the feeling of accomplishment and reward as I use to and it worry me a bit.

Personaly, I got ADD/ADHD and have suffered from depression and I have the tendency to over-analyse stuff witch  led me to suffer from anxiety. I don't take any medication at all even for my ADD/ADHD. Also, with the exception of coffee and alcohol very occasionally, I don't take any other drugs.  Since I have ADD/ADHD could the trip have shocked my  precarious neurochemistry especially with my dopamine/reward and serotonin system ? 

Anybody had a similar experience ? Do you have any tips/advice to make it better ?
Thanks a lot and happy new year :smile: !


Edited by Charvel36 (01/02/20 04:55 PM)


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Re: Anhedonia/lack of interest 2 weeks after first trip [Re: Charvel36]
    #26413454 - 01/02/20 11:25 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Do you know when you wash your teeth and after that if you drink orange juice it is a hellish experience?

Well trips are not like washing your teeth but if you overstimulate your sensory and nervous system  the same sensations will change temporally.

Also:
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(...)Since I have ADD/ADHD could the trip have shocked my  precarious neurochemistry especially with my dopamine/reward and serotonin system ? (...)




That is literally what a trip does. It is pretty much a different kind of serotonin.

But you already know all this, you already know you are overanalyzing this.

No, you are not fucked for live.
No, the effects of the trip have long passed and now you are more in a light level paranoia that in a real objective analysis of how you are feeling the reality. A mild or light desrealization is common after a trip, like when you wake up from a dream and things are confusing. In your case it is light and overanalizing it is what is making it happen now instead of the trip. Relax there is nothing wrong.


In high-school i had a somewhat friend, who thought she was going to die after the first orgasm (she didn't know what it was), even called her mother crying about it. She said things like you do now, "things don't feel the same". I am not saying that your trip was like an orgasm, but your reaction is like hers.
As you can guess, she is totally fine (Except she turned out to be a total awful human being).


Edited by living_failure (01/02/20 11:27 PM)


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Re: Anhedonia/lack of interest 2 weeks after first trip [Re: living_failure]
    #26420591 - 01/07/20 08:57 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Thanks for your response. I kinda seem to feel better in experiencing music and laughing but now I feel that I suffer from a chronic insomnia and I feel just weird and I don't seem to be able to rest witch make me feel  on edge a bit all the time. Like if I lay on my bed, I just can't relax and I can't get the good feeling of muscle relaxation. I also have an intermittent but still slight brain fog but it might be severe lack of sleep also.  I just doesn't feel right..  Meditation seems to help in order to bring me back in my body and bring relaxation. ASMR also.  Il give maybe CBD a try ?

What worries me is that it could be some negatives symtpoms of schizophrenia or psycosis even though I don't have any delusional toughts or paranoia ... Time might fix it but honestly i'm really close to go see an health professional.. :confused:


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Re: Anhedonia/lack of interest 2 weeks after first trip [Re: Charvel36]
    #26420594 - 01/07/20 09:01 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

What lab test diagnosed your brain imbalances?


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Re: Anhedonia/lack of interest 2 weeks after first trip [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26420723 - 01/07/20 10:23 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Hello ! It's purely speculative but since I am diagnosed with ADHD/ADD witch is known to cause an  imbalance and dysfuction of the dopamine system.  This can make me super sensitive to feeling and we are more prone to be emotionally drained witch is something ive experience multiple time when I was confronted to some stressful or really emotional situations.  This also made me suffer from depressive episodes in the past.. Therefore, maybe i'm more fragile to compound like psylocin  that play with my neurochemistery ?


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Re: Anhedonia/lack of interest 2 weeks after first trip [Re: Charvel36]
    #26432551 - 01/14/20 04:21 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

I have the impression that shrooms have a very positive effect on my ADHD. But I have to say that I also don't like those doses at 1-3g. Makes me feel bad and after it kicks in I want it to stop again. That's why I only do microdosing and when I trip ocasionally I take doses of well over 3-5g dried cubes. This way I am overwhelmed by the trip and completely surrender into the experience. Since I do this, I feel very good even days after my trip.

I don't want to encourage you to take high doses however, this is just my personal experience. Also I do mindfullnes meditation, try to go to the gym regularly and so on. So maybe that's a factor too.


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Re: Anhedonia/lack of interest 2 weeks after first trip [Re: Prietenul]
    #26433101 - 01/14/20 12:56 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Thanks for your reply ADHD brother.  It's not getting better honestly it's weird. I don't see any improvement. Ive been prescribed 25mg of Seroquel to help me sleep but I stopped using it because it made my anhedonia worse. I know a lot of people would tell me that I have to trip again but I don't want to jeopardize my mental health for good.. Maybe CBD oil might help for my anhedonia and insomnia ?

I hope I didn't permafuck my brain with only one single psylocibin dose.. since I never did any other psychedelic before.. I don't even smoke weed... but I hope i'm gonna feel good soon because it suck big time.. :frown:  Anyway i'm going to an appointment with a psychologist today.


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Re: Anhedonia/lack of interest 2 weeks after first trip [Re: Charvel36]
    #26433674 - 01/14/20 05:57 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Good idea to visit a doctor. Maybe he has some mood lifting, activating drug or so.

If you have the feeling that tripping won't do you good, then you shouldn't trip under any circumstances. No matter what anyone says. The "Set" (your mood) is extremely important. The thoughts perpetuate the problem... Still I think you should consider the fact that your fear of having fried your brain is a) extremely unlikely to be valid, and b) this fear can keep you in the a negative loop of overthinking and bad mood. You need to relax first and stop concentrating on your condition.

Anyways, good luck at the doc.

P.S.: As far as I have read, ADHD is not one of those conditions that prevents you from tripping. It's not like you are prone to schizophrenia or psychosis. I know people with obviously heavy ADHD and mushrooms help them get along better. E.g: I'm completely off of my meds and I have the feeling, the mushroom help living completely without then.


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Re: Anhedonia/lack of interest 2 weeks after first trip [Re: Prietenul]
    #26446114 - 01/22/20 10:52 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Update :  Zopiclone has done wonder for my sleep !  The racing taughts/hypognigic hallucination have subsided when falling a sleep. My dreams are still very vivid witch is interesting  Now i'm tappering it of (one week of usage) gradually. I still have this slight depression/anxiety when waking up and I still need to force myself to get out off bed.    However, since Ive been able to finally sleep better and I definetly feel better. Panick attacks are gone and especially during the morning I feel like my "old" self for a couple hours. 

It comes in waves during the day and there's still some moment of "flatness/anhedonia" and depression but especially around 16-17h00 during the day. It's been like that since friday so I  got hope it will gradually get better but I definitaly feel different :thumbup: Like coffee didn't do anything in the begining but now i'm able to feel the "coffee high" like before. And I feel alot more frisson than I use to.

Ive got an appointement with a psychiatrist soon also.  Gotta think positive :heart:


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Re: Anhedonia/lack of interest 2 weeks after first trip [Re: Charvel36]
    #26446304 - 01/22/20 12:41 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Charvel36 said:
Update :  Zopiclone has done wonder for my sleep !  The racing taughts/hypognigic hallucination have subsided when falling a sleep. My dreams are still very vivid witch is interesting  Now i'm tappering it of (one week of usage) gradually. I still have this slight depression/anxiety when waking up and I still need to force myself to get out off bed.    However, since Ive been able to finally sleep better and I definetly feel better. Panick attacks are gone and especially during the morning I feel like my "old" self for a couple hours. 

It comes in waves during the day and there's still some moment of "flatness/anhedonia" and depression but especially around 16-17h00 during the day. It's been like that since friday so I  got hope it will gradually get better but I definitaly feel different :thumbup: Like coffee didn't do anything in the begining but now i'm able to feel the "coffee high" like before. And I feel alot more frisson than I use to.

Ive got an appointement with a psychiatrist soon also.  Gotta think positive :heart:




Just take care with the Zopiclon. It is known to create dependency fast. Don't take it longer than a week or you will have a hard time ever sleeping without it.


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Re: Anhedonia/lack of interest 2 weeks after first trip [Re: Prietenul]
    #26446416 - 01/22/20 01:36 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

One week !! Oh crap!  I'm tapering it of since 3 days. Started at 7.5mg last wednesday. Now at 3.25 mg last night and didn't had apparent insomnia and didn't notice any withdrawal symptoms so I guess this is going well..


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Re: Anhedonia/lack of interest 2 weeks after first trip [Re: Charvel36]
    #26446455 - 01/22/20 02:07 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Of course you do not feel any withdrawal symptoms yet. And you likely never will. The only thing you will notice after 2 weeks of Z is that you will not fall asleep without it anymore. That's all. No other withdrawal symptoms.

Go online and search for reviews of other users of Zopiclon. You will read that it's great and helps with the problem, but you will also encounter stories about people not being able to sleep without it anymore. Also the the effect wears off with time. You'll end up taking higher and higher doses to get the same result.

You do what you like, I just wanted to warn you. Good luck with it and hope you get better soon.


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Re: Anhedonia/lack of interest 2 weeks after first trip [Re: Charvel36]
    #26446460 - 01/22/20 02:10 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Sounds like OP’s problem can be prevented with lemon tek.
Nausea ruined a trip or 3 for me also. Tried making tea once, haven’t eaten a fruit body since.


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Re: Anhedonia/lack of interest 2 weeks after first trip [Re: feldman114]
    #26446562 - 01/22/20 03:20 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

feldman114 said:
Sounds like OP’s problem can be prevented with lemon tek.
Nausea ruined a trip or 3 for me also. Tried making tea once, haven’t eaten a fruit body since.




I can't stand the taste of fruit bodies anyway. I usually dry them immediately after harvest, blend them to powder and use that. Either I just mix it with tap water and kick it down the throat, or I use the powder to make tea. (put powder in lemon juice for 20mins, then pour boiling water over it and add some tea bag.)

I never had any problems with my stomach and I usually take 5-7g when tripping. (cubes of course)


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Re: Anhedonia/lack of interest 2 weeks after first trip [Re: Prietenul]
    #26456925 - 01/28/20 02:08 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Update : Got off the Zopiclone, it was rough indeed for a couple days but I got throught it. Now my sleep is "ok" but I can get at least 3-4 hours of broken sleep but I don't have the sleep anxiety as it was last week.  Anxiety is a lot more manageable but still there occasionally. I definitely see an improvement in that area.  What frustrate me the most is the emotional numbness and ahnedonia.  I can be like at 75 %-80% of what I use to be in the morning and it come like a wave during the afternoon. I really have to force myself to  do the things I need to do.. I seriously hope it will go away :sad:..  I just want my old self to be back. Thankfull ,I'm really well supported by my family.


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Re: Anhedonia/lack of interest 2 weeks after first trip [Re: Charvel36]
    #26457043 - 01/28/20 03:14 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

If you want the best tips hands down:

1. Practice intermittent fasting (no food between 9pm to 12pm (this was noon, right? :lol:) ) and try to eat healthy food.

2. Do sports as much as you can. Whatever you want, but just bring your pulse to a good beat at least 2-3 times per week.

3. Inform yourself about "sleep hygiene". Buy some UV-light stopping glasses (~30 Euros on Amazon) that you put on in the evening, get up at the same time no matter what happens, avoid any display/screen 2-3 hours before bed, use your bed *only* for sleeping, ... there is more, that I have forgotten now.

I guarantee you, that you will have significant improvement of your numbness and mood in general within one week. Really. There's no need for any substances (not that you can't take them in addition :wink: ).

There is no such thing as a free lunch. You need to get up and get going. It's not even hard. Keep track of your progress, put some paper up a wall and enter how much of your tasks/goals you achieved each day. Make a chart diagram so you can visualize your progress.

Good luck.


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