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#26412849 - 01/02/20 04:09 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Any trade workers on here?
I am considering joining an apprenticeship.
I am considering carpentry as well as electrician.
Was wondering if anyone on here has gone through these programs or is working in the trades and what they think of it.
I have been working as a carpenter helper / laborer and I do kind of enjoy the carpentry work. More so the rough carpentry and less so the finer details. But this company isn't the best, a bit shady, a bit inconsistent.
Thanks for any info
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Re: Trade work [Re: Enkidu]
#26412898 - 01/02/20 04:38 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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United steel workers. Unions are the way to go.
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Re: Trade work [Re: Diego]
#26412989 - 01/02/20 05:52 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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If your able to get into a union do it, better pay and benefits off the rip. Im currently working my way through a electrical apprenticeship with a small company that specializes in generators, wish I could have gotten into the union but unfortunately when I was looking they werent accepting applications. Gotta start somewhere
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Re: Trade work [Re: Enkidu]
#26413003 - 01/02/20 06:02 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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I'm working on windmills. It's a sweet gig if you want to work lots and earn big bucks. There is a shortage of skilled tradesmen.
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Re: Trade work [Re: Nikoyo]
#26413012 - 01/02/20 06:10 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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I'm an electrical contractor. I'm not union and never was. I preferred it that way and it has worked out wonderfully. After getting my license I went back to college and got an electronics engineering degree. I then decided to become a contractor instead of engineering work because the money was better and it fits my lifestyle better. It was a good choice so far.
Working trades is for young guys though. If you do it then I would suggest saving as much as possible so you can hire your own guys one day.
Work hard and take pride in your work and you will make a nice living one day.
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Lophosaurus said: I'm an electrical contractor. I'm not union and never was. I preferred it that way and it has worked out wonderfully. After getting my license I went back to college and got an electronics engineering degree. I then decided to become a contractor instead of engineering work because the money was better and it fits my lifestyle better. It was a good choice so far. Work hard and take pride in your work and you will make a nice living one day.
Im glad to hear that it worked for you, the whole union vs non union debate can be a bit of a troublesome subject to say the least; I feel like there are definitely benefits to both sides. while I wish I had gotten into a union off the rip for good wages I've definitely gotten a lot more experience working non union. I essentially run all the residential installs, help do maintenance on large industrial gens and when we do large industrial installs work on those.
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Re: Trade work [Re: Nikoyo]
#26413144 - 01/02/20 07:34 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Smart? =electrician.
Not so smart but you are doing your best to get your life together? =welder
Like playing with poop for most of your jobs? =plumber
I had a ex plumber friend who used to always joke "No REALLY it's a shitty job" referring to how often he had to wade in poop
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Electrical work is pretty clean and easy and doesn't require a huge investment in tools.
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Re: Trade work [Re: Kwyjibo]
#26413371 - 01/02/20 09:55 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Kwyjibo said: Electrical work is pretty clean and easy and doesn't require a huge investment in tools.
None of that is true. Have you ever done electrical work?
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I've done residential, now doing marine.
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Re: Trade work [Re: Kwyjibo]
#26414571 - 01/03/20 03:24 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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I always recommend against joining Union. It's simply not the only, or smartest, or easiest option out there. It's just advertised and spoken of as so because it maybe used to be the shit and still is for some people, but no guaruntee..There's problems with the union. During slow periods or economic decline, you can get super fucked. It's happens to almost every union worker Ive known. Therea a hierarchical seniority in the union and youll be waiting in line for work.
There's nothing wrong with trade work. Tons trade workers are way fuckng richer than most college graduate white collar workers.
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Re: Trade work [Re: trees]
#26414607 - 01/03/20 03:42 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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I think electrical stuff sounds interesting. I haven't read a book or anything on it but it seems way over my head. My dumbass will probably go welder.
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Electrical is as good as a lot of other equally good work. Its actually pretty hard, you need to use your back and beable to reach up high and pull cables with great force through conduit and stuff. Its not difficult to understand the technical stuff. Most electricians I know work quietly, solo, and they seem to be decently happy with their day to day.
I'd choose electrical over welder any day. I am full time machinist
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Re: Trade work [Re: trees]
#26414696 - 01/03/20 04:39 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Ive been trying to find trade jobs for the last couple months.
Its not easy to find someone to take you on when you have no experience.
The union seems more stable and reliable with a guarantee of increasing skill and knowledge and wage.
But im stuck with it a bit because im also 5 courses away from my bachelors and im more passionate about a different career path.
I just moved states though so i have a year before i qualify for in state tuition to finish and continue my education.
I also have a child on the way.
So thought maybe sacraficing 5 years to a trade and trying to finish school might be good to ensure a career where i can potentially move out of if things align for my passion.
I like psychology and working with people.
I like working with my hands too and some carpentry stuff is fun. So idk. Sometimes its a pain in the ass.
Electric seems like it offers decent prospects too..
Im planing to go to this thing for carpentry monday where you sit for an hour and they give you a pin to fill out the app after.
I wrote down the dates for the electric app too.
Wonder how long it would take to get accepted and started
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Re: Trade work [Re: Enkidu]
#26414982 - 01/03/20 07:06 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Enkidu said: Ive been trying to find trade jobs for the last couple months.
Its not easy to find someone to take you on when you have no experience.
"The union seems more stable and reliable with a guarantee of increasing skill and knowledge and wage."
But im stuck with it a bit because im also 5 courses away from my bachelors and im more passionate about a different career path.
I just moved states though so i have a year before i qualify for in state tuition to finish and continue my education.
I also have a child on the way.
So thought maybe sacraficing 5 years to a trade and trying to finish school might be good to ensure a career where i can potentially move out of if things align for my passion.
I like psychology and working with people.
I like working with my hands too and some carpentry stuff is fun. So idk. Sometimes its a pain in the ass.
Electric seems like it offers decent prospects too..
Im planing to go to this thing for carpentry monday where you sit for an hour and they give you a pin to fill out the app after.
I wrote down the dates for the electric app too.
Wonder how long it would take to get accepted and started
A lot of electricians won't put out hiring ads. You just have to look up local guys and go ask about work.
"The union seems more stable and reliable with a guarantee of increasing skill and knowledge and wage."
IME this is not true. In the union you might get assigned to a condo building that is 3 hours away and when you show up they give you a job to do. Let's say they want you installing outlets. So you do the 1st floor, then 2nd, and before you know it a year has passes and all you can do is install outlets.
In this business you are paid for your skill level and your output. If you aren't being paid enough then you can move on. You might get like a dollar an hour more in the union, but you have to put up with much more shit.
If you don't have any experience then it would look really good to your future employer if you started studying NEC code and basic electric theory.
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Ill see what happens.
I rather work for a GC in carpentry but i cant find a good one that will hire me
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Re: Trade work [Re: Enkidu]
#26415117 - 01/03/20 08:24 PM (4 years, 25 days ago) |
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That's probably a good way to go, at least there is not much digging for being a framer. If I had to start over and pick a trade to start again I would probably be a trim carpenter because it's one of the easier trades. Less physical and mostly in the A/C. Can be hard to find work. If not that then maybe a plumber or mason because they get a shit load of money. Electricians sometimes say "If I was any dumber, I would be a plumber."
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Yeah ive been keeping my eye open for mason laborer and ive applied for apprenticeships through companies to no avail. Plumber, carpenter, electric, havent tried unions yet.
I hate doing trim work. I rather do rough carpentry.
I like the idea of working for a GC because id get to learn a lot and do a lot of different stuff.
Went and talked to a guy an hour away who wanted 2 years experience, he was a GC, called and talked to him, messages him a couple different times, gave me the run around.
Didnt wana hire me i guess.
Called and left messages for a mason laborer ad, and a house framing ad, havent been answered or heard back.
Ill just keep trying to find a decent place to learn.
Idk if i like the idea of joining the union because of the long term commitment and like mentioned, i dont wana get stuck learning nothing but a useless task. Idk.
Guess ill trust some of this is in the hands of the universe.
Have an interview as a excavator laborer just cause im sick of the company im with, so who knows.
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Re: Trade work [Re: Enkidu]
#26415159 - 01/03/20 08:47 PM (4 years, 25 days ago) |
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I really suggest getting in with a local union. It may be difficult but dude when you're in you're in and your brothers will have your back as long as you dont rat or be a worthless fucking scab
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Re: Trade work [Re: Diego]
#26415163 - 01/03/20 08:50 PM (4 years, 25 days ago) |
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Alright thanks man
Ill go to the carpenter thing monday and try to get in
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Re: Trade work [Re: Enkidu]
#26415180 - 01/03/20 09:06 PM (4 years, 25 days ago) |
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Because some people operate based on internal values, morality, and integrity and not ignorance.
Troll elsewhere, noones interested man.
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Re: Trade work [Re: Enkidu]
#26415393 - 01/04/20 12:34 AM (4 years, 25 days ago) |
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Learning a trade is hands down one of the best things you can do in this day and age to land a good job, without needing to put yourself into debt for life learning the skills. The trade program I took in college had about a 98% employment rate with graduates, and you would pay off your college loans within the first year of employment.
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Re: Trade work [Re: Enkidu]
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Got an opportunity starting monday framing houses so im going to give that a shot.
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Re: Trade work [Re: Enkidu]
#26415930 - 01/04/20 12:00 PM (4 years, 25 days ago) |
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Enkidu said: Got an opportunity starting monday framing houses so im going to give that a shot.
Awesome man just show up, do what your asked and be open to learning as much as you can. If you end up liking it good, if not theres tons of other job options out there.
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Lophosaurus said: I'm an electrical contractor. I'm not union and never was. I preferred it that way and it has worked out wonderfully. After getting my license I went back to college and got an electronics engineering degree. I then decided to become a contractor instead of engineering work because the money was better and it fits my lifestyle better. It was a good choice so far.
Working trades is for young guys though. If you do it then I would suggest saving as much as possible so you can hire your own guys one day.
Work hard and take pride in your work and you will make a nice living one day.
Just wanted to echo this. The trades are great for certain people, I myself have done my share of flatwork. But like Lophosaurus said, the trades are a young man's game. You can make a ton of money working a lot of hours, but eventually you'll want to transition out of the manual labor. Save as much money as you can (while still living it up a little), and have a plan: move up to project manager, start your own firm, whatever - just have a plan to eventually transition away from the manual labor.
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Re: Trade work [Re: koivth]
#26415983 - 01/04/20 12:42 PM (4 years, 25 days ago) |
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I guess my hope is to do it till I can transition into something with my degree.
Finish my bachelors and then hopefully take grad courses.
Im 28, im in good shape atm. Try to take care of myself. So I guess i figure i'm still young enough to get some years out in the trade work without killing myself.
Right now trade work is the best option I can see.
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Re: Trade work [Re: Nikoyo]
#26415987 - 01/04/20 12:43 PM (4 years, 25 days ago) |
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Enkidu said: Got an opportunity starting monday framing houses so im going to give that a shot.
Awesome man just show up, do what your asked and be open to learning as much as you can. If you end up liking it good, if not theres tons of other job options out there.
Thanks man
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Re: Trade work [Re: Enkidu]
#26416011 - 01/04/20 01:01 PM (4 years, 25 days ago) |
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Enkidu said: Any trade workers on here?
I am considering joining an apprenticeship.
I am considering carpentry as well as electrician.
Was wondering if anyone on here has gone through these programs or is working in the trades and what they think of it.
I have been working as a carpenter helper / laborer and I do kind of enjoy the carpentry work. More so the rough carpentry and less so the finer details. But this company isn't the best, a bit shady, a bit inconsistent.
Thanks for any info
i've done cabinet work but i never really learned how to do it by myself, always needed guidance, it's like i have a learning block problem. plus with all the medications i'm on, it was kinda dangerous to operate saws and heavy machinery...can't really believve i used to do all that
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I’m a farrier (a person that trims or shoes horses) I make anywhere from $70 to $120 an hour. I work part time mostly and make as much as a full time job. There are draw backs. The real money is in show horses. Show horse farriers make about $200+ an hour. Working on show horses is a HUGE pain in the ass. You are constantly asked to to unethical things because it’s more about winning then the health and well being of the animal. If the horse does not win, the vet, trainer and owner will blame you and you get fired. Also it’s very trending, because if somebody new comes to town, all of your clients will drop you to try them. No matter if your work is better or not.
Now I primary work on pet horses, backyard horses and trail horses. I also work on ex show horses that are totally fucked by the voodoo horseshoeing it received during its show career. Most of their owners are concerned about the health of their animals. I don’t work on gaited horse or OTTB (off the track thoroughbred). What I like about my small business is I only take cash, or barter and I ain’t got to pee in a cup.
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Re: Trade work [Re: Enkidu]
#26416212 - 01/04/20 03:34 PM (4 years, 25 days ago) |
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Hell yea congrats man
@Antigov: That's pretty cool how long have you been doing that for?
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Re: Trade work [Re: deadwk]
#26416220 - 01/04/20 03:42 PM (4 years, 25 days ago) |
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Off and on about 25 years
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Re: Trade work [Re: Enkidu]
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I feel starting your own business is always a good option too. I dont believe in college. Especially when we can just buy books and learn ourselves. Colleges are 90% opinion. I have a hard time accepting popular opinions for sure. You say you like construction so build your own business. It'll become successful in the same ammount of time it would take to get a degree. A good idea also if you have minor electrical skills you can look into building grow lights for med patients. If you go this path id suggest looking into cree cobs. Just my two cents. Best of luck in youre endeavours!
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Re: Trade work [Re: Diego]
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I want to get my certifications for heavy machinery and find a job doing only that. My current job has me operating heavy equipment sometimes and when I'm running the machines is the only time I don't feel like I'm working. It's just fun. I can honestly see doing that for the rest of my life and not dreading going to work.
We've all heard the saying do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life and less than a year ago I doubted I'd ever find something like that for myself.. because even something like video game testing or some bullshit would get tiring very fast, but nope, that's it. Running heavy equipment. It's like I'm 10 and they're giant Tonka toys. I can do that shit all day and when Mom calls for dinner I'm gonna be screaming "just 10 more minutes!"
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I'm not sure what I'm going to do next
I want to dig holes in the dirt in Michigan
Out in the summer sun
Make some USD , big money here
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Ahab McBathsalts said: I'm working on windmills. It's a sweet gig if you want to work lots and earn big bucks. There is a shortage of skilled tradesmen.
Do you have to travel a Lot ?
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Re: Trade work [Re: Atreyu]
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Picking a trade is hard. I want to be a kid forever!
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ichugwindex said: Picking a trade is hard. I want to be a kid forever!
Hell dont we all haha. I worked as a landscaper for some 9 years before I decided to make a change of work. Life sure was easier back then, made decent money was able to get high all day. After beating my body and tearing a few disc's in my back I realized Id never be able to get enough money to start my own company so I started looking into other trades.
Im glad I decided to make the change, hell im only a 2nd yr electrical apprentice but im still quite young. If I keep up working the amount of hrs I am now ill have my e2 by the time im 30. Plan on getting my contractors license; I did go to school and have at least an associates degree so if all else fails I can go back and continue on to do something else if I have to.
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Re: Trade work [Re: Atreyu]
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Ahab McBathsalts said: I'm working on windmills. It's a sweet gig if you want to work lots and earn big bucks. There is a shortage of skilled tradesmen.
Do you have to travel a Lot ?
I live in hotels 340+ days a year.
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How do you like the electeical apprenticeship?
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Re: Trade work [Re: Enkidu]
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non union residential electrician here, best decision i've ever made. ive learned more in 2 years than i would have in school or in the union.
pay is mediocre, but theyre paying for my license too. should have that in about a year and a half.
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Re: Trade work [Re: k00laid]
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How did you find the position? I haven't seen a single ad for an electrician position that didn't require experience.
And ive been on the job boards literally everyday the last 3 months or so.
Ive filled out over 150 aps just on indeed alone. So i dont think im missing them
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Ahab McBathsalts said: I'm working on windmills. It's a sweet gig if you want to work lots and earn big bucks. There is a shortage of skilled tradesmen.
Do you have to travel a Lot ?
I live in hotels 340+ days a year.
That's a lot, do you even bother with renting an apartment at that point?
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Ahab McBathsalts
OTD Windmill Administrator




Registered: 11/25/02
Posts: 35,107
Loc: Wind Turbine, AB
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No. I don't have a place, a car, none of that shit. Company pays for my truck, hotels, travel, everything. You sell your soul and work 70 hours a week and bank hella money. We can't build the fuckers fast enough. I think there is a 2 year order book of projects slated already. Planning to get out of this game in 5 years with 500k in the bank.
It's better than oil field work ever treated me, that's for sure.
-------------------- "Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody's going to die."
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Enkidu
"No-Such-Person"


Registered: 07/09/16
Posts: 10,698
Last seen: 6 months, 10 days
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Hey man thats real cool man save it all
Get out and get a chill little job doing something youre passionate about
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