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Re: A shroom trip fucked me up and I don't understand what to do from here [Re: magicschoolbus]
    #26402902 - 12/27/19 11:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Young people's minds are not fully developed and this makes for a bad mix with psychedelics, especially with preexisting childhood traumas that have not been dealt with, which usually is manifested in anxiety, nervousness, and fear. There are no magic drugs,doctors or psychiatrists that can make everything better, so my advice is to meet head on with the things that are troubling you and the shrooms have dug up some of these emotions, which can be a godsend, because you sound like you know where to start. You are going to die, just like every mortal, so embrace this thought and do something about it. The society is soft and brainwashing is difficult to overcome when all propaganda instills fear, which is used to control the masses. Best medicine for everyone is to learn better than to be afraid of irrational fear, because feeling fear of a possibly bad event is worse than the event and said event normally does not happen. When I was young I entered toughman contests, just to help conquer fear and childhood traumas, maybe you need something along those lines to help you overcome this. Good luck friend you can do this, but you have to do it, no one can do it for you. Truth and knowledge conquer all fears, real or not, rational or irrational. Philosophy can help to find truth and rational grounding.


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A shroom trip fucked me up and I don't understand what to do from here [Re: shhitsokay]
    #26410578 - 01/01/20 08:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

So, here is what I can offer from what I know.

First, your feeling of losing your mind is a normal expression of anxiety. You've clearly taken some damage, but you're not going mad at the moment, just dealing with the consequences.

Second, childhood traumas, integrating experiences and anything else based on the ancient model of ego versus unconscious is pretty much bullshit, though a lot of professionals still cling to it. What you really need is a good, efficient, contemporary cognitive-behavioral therapy.

Here is how I see this. Psychedelics unlock our ability to change. What they do to you is pretty much like remelting metals: they bring you to this extremely open and vulnerable 'newborn' state where whatever you do and experience influences you very deeply, and once you 'cool back down', you're stuck with the personality which was formed during that process.
And your current anxiety is nothing but the result of your enormous fear and resistance during the trip. Nothing is really broken in you, you simply learned to be anxious. Just like that.
Now, it's true that another trip in a safe and supportive environment could be the best solution to 'remelt' you again, and it's not so hard to find an ayahuasca healer or even an underground psychedelic psychotherapist nowadays, but you're probably too frightened to take psychedelics after what you've been through.
So, that's why I advise seeking regular cognitive-behavioral therapy. Same shit but slower, harder and more expensive. Still a good option though.

By the way, quitting nicotine at this point was probably not the best move. Nicotine in moderate amounts has some antidepressant properties, whereas abstinence increases anxiety. I mean, smoking is ba-a-ad and stuff, and I have quit myself, but in this situation hell knows.


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And you gave me LSD to open them.


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Re: A shroom trip fucked me up and I don't understand what to do from here [Re: kyu]
    #26410666 - 01/01/20 09:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You realized your life has been meaningless and without a clear direction. Get a good one and the panic attacks will subside.

What is the task at hand?


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Re: A shroom trip fucked me up and I don't understand what to do from here [Re: Hartford]
    #26412095 - 01/02/20 08:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I could never understand why depressed and chronically fearful people feel those feelings without any stimulus, but during my heroic dose there was a period where I was just in pure terror for absolutely no reason. I was not paranoid of something, nor was I thinking about being killed or whatever. I was just terrified. I think these drugs can just make the brain go haywire with emotional misfirings.

The drugs are certainly out of your system. But neurogenesis occurs during psychedelic trips and it's possible a connection was made that keeps firing now. Luckily, it should dissipate as your proximity to the event goes away. But sadly, I could forsee a PTSD-like situation where the brain fails to bury the irrelevant experience.

Regardless, the only thing you can focus on doing now is bettering yourself. If it's really bad you could ask your doctor about anti-anxiety meds, but pleaseee don't self-medicate with benzos (like Xanax). They're very bad news.


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Re: A shroom trip fucked me up and I don't understand what to do from here [Re: shhitsokay]
    #26412143 - 01/02/20 09:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Weed really makes it stronger. Weed also lingers in the system a bit longer kind of extending the trip.

All that stuff you experienced is regular operation, its wild. And hitting the wax pen will never help you come down.


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That the powerful play goes on, and you will contribute a verse.”
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Re: A shroom trip fucked me up and I don't understand what to do from here [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26412173 - 01/02/20 09:26 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, weed is a hallucinogen and mimics pyschedelics (neurons firing repeatedly when they shouldn't – cannabanoids and pyschs both do that to produce their respective highs)

But it's also anxiolytic in low-medium doses. I can't speak for anyone else but I've never had a few puffs make me more anxious. It's almost always helped make me more relaxed and carefree.
Large doses are another story, though...


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Re: A shroom trip fucked me up and I don't understand what to do from here [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26412187 - 01/02/20 09:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yea but you will find those few puffs do a lot more when mingled with shrooms.


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Re: A shroom trip fucked me up and I don't understand what to do from here [Re: The Mycologist] * 1
    #26412199 - 01/02/20 09:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

For my visuals sure but not for my anxiety.

These things are all subjective but I've used (a small amount of) weed one or two times to course correct a trip


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Re: A shroom trip fucked me up and I don't understand what to do from here [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26431571 - 01/13/20 03:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Are you still here?  Am I too late?  You have given yourself PTSD by inducing sleep while high levels of non-sleep chemicals were coursing through your body. 

This can be 'fixed' by taking prazosin, it blocks your adrenaline uptake allowing your sleeping mind to process what you went through.

There's a book called 'Why We Sleep' that goes into this in depth.  Here's an article: https://blog.patientslikeme.com/patient-experiences/ptsd-nightmares-why-theyre-happening-and-what-you-can-do/


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Re: A shroom trip fucked me up and I don't understand what to do from here [Re: shhitsokay]
    #26438513 - 01/17/20 12:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hey friend!
I hope you are doing ok.  I am happy to hear that your love for your mother has kept you from taking any drastic measures.  My only advice to you is meditate, meditate, meditate.  If you need any help learning how, please ask me.  I am an instructor. 
Whatever has come up for you was below the surface already there, lingering.  Now, you brought it up and you can't erase it. It's like any unexpected life event.  I'm not sure how old you are, but you mentioned that you are in university, which in general is a time for great anxiety and change in the mind and body. I know I went through my own shit when I was in university! 
What you experienced is no different than any other unexpected life event that could come anyone's way, such as loved ones dying, which is something I have experienced multiple times.  I also have a troubled relationship with my father.  This is not to downplay your feelings.  It is only to say that you are young, life is fucking crazy by design, and the only good way to deal with that is to accept your reality for what it is.  You are never going to go back to the way things were, just as you can't bring dead people back to life...well not usually anyway. 
No need to overthink things and try to get back to "normal." Just sit with your feelings, no matter how painful they are, they are just feelings.  Make some time to simply sit and be with your body and feelings every day for the rest of your life.  That is the best medicine for everyone regardless of whether or not you tripped too hard on shrooms.  If you can learn to sit with your uncomfortable feelings and move past them, you will be a much stronger person for it. 
Peace.


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