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Harvesting advice for stones
#26412126 - 01/02/20 09:05 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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My rocks are poking out of the surface and i not sure what to do with them, Are there any experts out there? Im happy to lave them to grow but dont want them to rot.
What are my options?
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Edmunter]
#26412133 - 01/02/20 09:08 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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They are looking quite large, how long have they been sitting since spawning?
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Svetaketu]
#26412246 - 01/02/20 10:13 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Svetaketu said: They are looking quite large, how long have they been sitting since spawning?
6 weeks maybe
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Edmunter]
#26412272 - 01/02/20 10:32 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Your moisture content looks high and it looks to me like you might have packed it down too much. Just my opinion. Maybe increase fea and no more moisture
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
#26412308 - 01/02/20 10:53 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Diego said: Your moisture content looks high and it looks to me like you might have packed it down too much. Just my opinion. Maybe increase fea and no more moisture
Thanks, I just soaked it as the stones formation dries it out very quickly. The casing is a sand based one which looks packed down.
The actual question was as above.
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
#26412314 - 01/02/20 10:55 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Maybe someone with more experience will correct me, but i'm pretty sure you have nothing to worry about as long as there's no contams and they're still networked into the sub. They continue to grow and live since their function is to store nutes in preparation for favorable fruiting conditions(basically like how myc can survive a very long time); unlike fruits which have a specific purpose and end point(spread spores and die)
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Edmunter]
#26412316 - 01/02/20 10:55 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Okay. Well, it really depends if you are going for fruits or not. That's similar to how my tub looked at 4-6 weeks. Now on day ~52, and they are fruiting;
 (Pardon the fact that they look like shit, I'm testing a new FC )
However some cultures refuse to fruit and just focus on stones.
If your endgame here is to get stones, it looks like a good time to harvest. If you want fruits to print, you may want to consider trying to get them more FAE somehow (whilst not drying them out).
I've had tubs last more than ~2 months with several flushes, and I know MacMerdin has said some of his cakes are still healthy and fruiting at ~5 months. I'm sure you can leave them too long, and the stones could start decomposing, but its unclear how long that would actually take.
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Svetaketu]
#26412323 - 01/02/20 11:00 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Ash induces pinning also
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
#26412351 - 01/02/20 11:18 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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So I can remove the big stones I could still leave the rest of the sub to recover and fruit in theory?
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
#26412374 - 01/02/20 11:29 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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In theory, yes. Actually, I pulled a rather large stone off the surface of that tub I just posted, about a week or two before it fruited. Now there is a small hole where that stone used to be. It had some metabolites for a couple days, but now it looks back to normal 
Though, I wouldn't recommend that unless you are dying to clone and/or eat a stone immediately (like I was ). Fruits often grow directly out of stones, and my flush probably would have been slightly better had I left that stone where it was.
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Svetaketu]
#26412380 - 01/02/20 11:34 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Next time add a little ash to your casing. I use straw charcoal. Its what signals them to fruit in nature
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
#26412402 - 01/02/20 11:50 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Svetaketu said: In theory, yes. Actually, I pulled a rather large stone off the surface of that tub I just posted, about a week or two before it fruited. Now there is a small hole where that stone used to be. It had some metabolites for a couple days, but now it looks back to normal 
Though, I wouldn't recommend that unless you are dying to clone and/or eat a stone immediately (like I was ). Fruits often grow directly out of stones, and my flush probably would have been slightly better had I left that stone where it was.
and then you can still harvest the stones after? Does it reduce their size?
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Diego said: Next time add a little ash to your casing. I use straw charcoal. Its what signals them to fruit in nature
What ash do you use?
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Edmunter]
#26412411 - 01/02/20 11:59 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Straw. It doesnt take much ash. You dont wanna over do it and become over acidic
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Edmunter]
#26412420 - 01/02/20 12:10 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Edmunter said: and then you can still harvest the stones after? Does it reduce their size?
Yeah, that's what I did with my first tub. The stones will probably stop growing once they start fruiting, but I don't think they will shrink. Though this all assumes you can get them to pin/fruit, which can be a little tricky. IME they like lots of fresh air, but it needs to be humid and it helps a lot if the temperature is consistent.
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Diego said: Next time add a little ash to your casing. I use straw charcoal. Its what signals them to fruit in nature
Never heard this one before. Got a link to more info? What about Ash triggers fruiting? Specifically in stone producers?
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Svetaketu]
#26412443 - 01/02/20 12:22 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Fire signals distress to the mycelium and they push the energy into the sclerotia as a defense mechanism that induces them to fruit. I got the idea from ryche hawks site
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
#26412467 - 01/02/20 12:38 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Maybe that wasjust morels on his site. Either way I read thats why you see grass land mushrooms with sclerotia. Like subbalteatus. It's tgeir ddefense against wildfires
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
#26412501 - 01/02/20 01:01 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Can someone with more knowledge correct me plese if i am wrong?
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
#26412559 - 01/02/20 01:41 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Edmunter]
#26412646 - 01/02/20 02:19 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Edmunter said: My rocks are poking out of the surface and i not sure what to do with them, Are there any experts out there? Im happy to lave them to grow but dont want them to rot.
What are my options?

I just re-cased mine when they looked like that and the caseing layer now looks like this;
 Dont know if that helps Ed  Kerberus
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
#26412649 - 01/02/20 02:19 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Diego said: Fire signals distress to the mycelium and they push the energy into the sclerotia as a defense mechanism that induces them to fruit. I got the idea from ryche hawks site
Maybe that wasjust morels on his site. Either way I read thats why you see grass land mushrooms with sclerotia. Like subbalteatus. It's tgeir ddefense against wildfires
Can someone with more knowledge correct me plese if i am wrong?
https://www.anbg.gov.au/fungi/ecology-fire.html
Here. Found it
Interesting link, it was a good read.
However most of the info is species specific, and I don't see any mention of Tampanensis or Mexicanae species.
Going from this link to ash induces pinning seems like quite a large jump to me.
It's entirely possible, and wouldn't be too far fetched either; but I haven't seen any direct evidence. So unless you have rigorously tested it yourself, or know someone else who has documented ash experiments with this species, I would hesitate to claim that it's "what induces them to fruit in nature".
As pointed out in your link, some mushrooms respond directly to fire, some to heat, some to a lack of competition, and some to the specific soil chemistry after a fire. Therefore, even if we could prove that Tampanensis has a positive biological response to brush fires (which I'm not convinced has been proven... Most wild tamp specimens have been found in marshlands), triggering it may not be as simple as mixing ash into the casing.
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Svetaketu] 1
#26413038 - 01/02/20 06:26 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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I feel i may have misinformed you all. I can't find enough evidence to support my statement. I tuely did believe this or i would not have tried it myself. In the future i will make sure of my words before I speak. I apologize
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
#26413075 - 01/02/20 06:47 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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The closet thing i can find is on another mushroom site. Where they talk about stressing the fruits and whether it increases growth or not. They are discussing morels and galindoi. When i conquer my current projects I WILL test this and write up a proper post to update
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
#26413107 - 01/02/20 07:07 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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No worries dude, thanks for being honest!
Now you got me thinking about fungi adaptations to wild fires
That would be the best TEK ever; spawn your tub, let it colonize, then set it on FIRE!
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
#26413614 - 01/03/20 03:45 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Diego said: The closet thing i can find is on another mushroom site. Where they talk about stressing the fruits and whether it increases growth or not. They are discussing morels and galindoi. When i conquer my current projects I WILL test this and write up a proper post to update
How would I add ash to the casing and when do you think I should case the sub? I have a new culture nearly ready and am prepared to do some testing for the cause.
To be honest my aim here has been mainly stones and I think ive massively ticked that box. Getting fruits was a secondary goal and using a sand casing I thought would do it.
In the next 6 months I will do some experiments and see if ash makes a difference. Just need to know how and i mean making the ash to adding to the casing.
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Svetaketu]
#26413648 - 01/03/20 05:01 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Svetaketu said: No worries dude, thanks for being honest!
Now you got me thinking about fungi adaptations to wild fires
That would be the best TEK ever; spawn your tub, let it colonize, then set it on FIRE! 
Hmm well write one up. Let's see it! I have an idea about heat stress and ashes ive got in mind. I've still got some formulating to do but I'll use a control group to compare. As far as the ash goes just use a bit then test the ph.
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
#26413735 - 01/03/20 06:46 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Svetaketu said: No worries dude, thanks for being honest!
Now you got me thinking about fungi adaptations to wild fires
That would be the best TEK ever; spawn your tub, let it colonize, then set it on FIRE! 
Hmm well write one up. Let's see it! I have an idea about heat stress and ashes ive got in mind. I've still got some formulating to do but I'll use a control group to compare. As far as the ash goes just use a bit then test the ph.
Come join us here, its where I experiment.
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego] 1
#26414055 - 01/03/20 10:22 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Diego said: I feel i may have misinformed you all. I can't find enough evidence to support my statement. I tuely did believe this or i would not have tried it myself. In the future i will make sure of my words before I speak. I apologize
i like this attitude. +5 comin your way. I can only recall the ash thing being mentioned for morels since they often appear after wild fires. No idea how much truth to it though.
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: LtLurker]
#26414105 - 01/03/20 10:51 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Thanks. There is no place for pride in science. I still believe there may a correlation I just dont have the evidence to prove it.
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
#26414118 - 01/03/20 10:57 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Diego said: Thanks. There is no place for pride in science. I still believe there may a correlation I just dont have the evidence to prove it.
The testing will be done on my other thread which has been on going for a while. Come over a join me please as I need all the help I can get.
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