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OfflineSvetaketu
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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
    #26412649 - 01/02/20 02:19 PM (4 years, 27 days ago)

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Fire signals distress to the mycelium and they push the energy into the sclerotia as a defense mechanism that induces them to fruit. I got the idea from ryche hawks site

Maybe that wasjust morels on his site. Either way I read thats why you see grass land mushrooms with sclerotia. Like subbalteatus. It's tgeir ddefense against wildfires

Can someone with more knowledge correct me plese if i am wrong?

https://www.anbg.gov.au/fungi/ecology-fire.html

Here. Found it




Interesting link, it was a good read.

However most of the info is species specific, and I don't see any mention of Tampanensis or Mexicanae species.

Going from this link to ash induces pinning seems like quite a large jump to me.

It's entirely possible, and wouldn't be too far fetched either; but I haven't seen any direct evidence. So unless you have rigorously tested it yourself, or know someone else who has documented ash experiments with this species, I would hesitate to claim that it's "what induces them to fruit in nature".

As pointed out in your link, some mushrooms respond directly to fire, some to heat, some to a lack of competition, and some to the specific soil chemistry after a fire. Therefore, even if we could prove that Tampanensis has a positive biological response to brush fires (which I'm not convinced has been proven... Most wild tamp specimens have been found in marshlands), triggering it may not be as simple as mixing ash into the casing.


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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Svetaketu] * 1
    #26413038 - 01/02/20 06:26 PM (4 years, 27 days ago)

I feel i may have misinformed you all. I can't find enough evidence to support my statement. I tuely did believe this or i would not have tried it myself. In the future i will make sure of my words before I speak. I apologize


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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
    #26413075 - 01/02/20 06:47 PM (4 years, 27 days ago)

The closet thing i can find is on another mushroom site. Where they talk about stressing the fruits and whether it increases growth or not. They are discussing morels and galindoi. When i conquer my current projects I WILL test this and write up a proper post to update


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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
    #26413107 - 01/02/20 07:07 PM (4 years, 27 days ago)

No worries dude, thanks for being honest!

Now you got me thinking about fungi adaptations to wild fires :strokebeard:

That would be the best TEK ever; spawn your tub, let it colonize, then set it on FIRE! :onfire:


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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
    #26413614 - 01/03/20 03:45 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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The closet thing i can find is on another mushroom site. Where they talk about stressing the fruits and whether it increases growth or not. They are discussing morels and galindoi. When i conquer my current projects I WILL test this and write up a proper post to update




How would I add ash to the casing and when do you think I should case the sub?  I have a new culture nearly ready and am prepared to do some testing for the cause.

To be honest my aim here has been mainly stones and I think ive massively ticked that box.  Getting fruits was a secondary goal and using a sand casing I thought would do it.

In the next 6 months I will do some experiments and see if ash makes a difference.  Just need to know how and i mean making the ash to adding to the casing.


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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Svetaketu]
    #26413648 - 01/03/20 05:01 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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No worries dude, thanks for being honest!

Now you got me thinking about fungi adaptations to wild fires :strokebeard:

That would be the best TEK ever; spawn your tub, let it colonize, then set it on FIRE! :onfire:



Hmm well write one up. Let's see it! I have an idea about heat stress and ashes ive got in mind. I've still got some formulating to do but I'll use a control group to compare. As far as the ash goes just use a bit then test the ph.


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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
    #26413735 - 01/03/20 06:46 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Svetaketu said:
No worries dude, thanks for being honest!

Now you got me thinking about fungi adaptations to wild fires :strokebeard:

That would be the best TEK ever; spawn your tub, let it colonize, then set it on FIRE! :onfire:



Hmm well write one up. Let's see it! I have an idea about heat stress and ashes ive got in mind. I've still got some formulating to do but I'll use a control group to compare. As far as the ash goes just use a bit then test the ph.




Come join us here, its where I experiment.

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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego] * 1
    #26414055 - 01/03/20 10:22 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Diego said:
I feel i may have misinformed you all. I can't find enough evidence to support my statement. I tuely did believe this or i would not have tried it myself. In the future i will make sure of my words before I speak. I apologize



i like this attitude. +5 comin your way. I can only recall the ash thing being mentioned for morels since they often appear after wild fires. No idea how much truth to it though.


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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: LtLurker]
    #26414105 - 01/03/20 10:51 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Thanks. There is no place for pride in science. I still believe there may a correlation I just dont have the evidence to prove it.


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Re: Harvesting advice for stones [Re: Diego]
    #26414118 - 01/03/20 10:57 AM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Thanks. There is no place for pride in science. I still believe there may a correlation I just dont have the evidence to prove it.




The testing will be done on my other thread which has been on going for a while.  Come over a join me please as I need all the help I can get.


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