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Last night I had a trip unlike any other. Of course that should go without saying, as no trip is like any other but this trip was next level intense and different.
I didn't "break through" per se in the same way that I've broken through before on doses this high, but I most definitely ascended to a higher plane of consciousness than that of my own individual ego.
I ground up 4 grams of Syrian Rue in my coffee grinder into fine powder. I scooped the powder bit by bit into my mouth and to mask the taste of the Rue I had made a strong Patron margarita with which I washed down each mouthful of Rue powder, aware that the alcohol might compromise the mushrooms but accepting that risk. It worked because I barely tasted the Syrian Rue. I then began brewing a tea of 8 grams of wild picked, cracker dry P cubensis. 2 cups of water brought to a boil then removed from heat, pulverized mushrooms mixed into the simmering water and stirred at low heat for 15 minutes and poured through a coffee filter directly into a coffee mug. I made sure to teabag and squeeze the mushies into the tea several times before drinking. By the time the tea was ready it had been 30-40 minutes since I'd consumed the rue. I drank the warm tea over the course of about 20 minutes.
I was feeling effects, a very strong come up with level 2 body load and visuals by the time I even finished the tea. I immediately huddled up under a very warm fuzzy blanket laying down on my couch in anticipation of the extreme cold I generally suffer on the come up. This was another good move as I could feel my body trying to be cold, but the cold was successfully countered by the soft warmth of the blanket.
While relaxing on the couch the shrooms gradually kicked in. Now this was a heroic dose by any measure, and I was tripping really, really hard, with full blown 3D closed eye visuals and neon open eye patterns swirling around the room. Visually, probably the most intense trip I've ever had and worth the experience for this reason alone.
But here is where it got really interesting. My thoughts drifted to the topic of my paternal grandmother who passed away many years ago. It's worth noting that I bear a striking resemblance to her in facial structure (though I am a male). She was a socialite of the southern upper class in her heyday and a true beauty in her youth, she aged with grace and passed away with dignity after a bout with Alzheimer's. In a sober state and without bias I can truly say she was the definition of a classy lady. I could not separate my thought patterns from dwelling on her, yet what is strange is that the visions I was having of her were not of my memories of her as an old lady, but of her in her youth...decades before I was born, raising my father and his brothers (my uncles).
Another note about my grandmother...she was a dainty and delicate lady but with a fiery passion inside--a very lightweight bone structure, like a bird's, and a voice that was...uniquely high pitched, again like a bird's. This is relevant because in this trip I envisioned her wrists and hands as an eagle's talons. Now a note about her husband, my grandfather. He was a career fighter pilot in the Navy and Air Force. His son, my father, was also a career aviator in the Air Force, and I myself have a significant background in aviation with about 1,000 flight hours under my belt.
I'm only giving all these details because I think they are relevant to the spiritual experience I had on this trip. Now look. I'm a white guy, and an unapologetic one at that. I've never really believed in indigenous spiritual traditions until last night. But I felt a connection to both of my grandparents that was real, and the vehicle of that connection was via the animal spirit of the eagle...that they had not, in fact, perished; that they lived, in me, and in our family's spirit animal, which is the eagle.
I kept having visions of my grandparents, but especially of my grandmother, elegantly soaring the skies as an eagle, not once or twice or three times, but continuously over the course of a 6 hour mushroom trip. When I wasn't envisioning her as an eagle, I was envisioning her in human form wearing a hat with an eagle's feather in it, or with a lapel pin bearing the emblem of the eagle in one form or another. I envisioned my grandfather soaring the skies in his fighter jets, raising my father who would follow in his footsteps as an aviator, who in turn raised me. As a woman of the eagle spirit she was drawn to him because our family is drawn to the sky. We seek careers in the sky, we climb mountains, we travel every chance we get, we are all "small boned" lightweight people. Every thought, every recollection, every vision I had last night reinforced the notion that I carry within me the spirit of the eagle, which was given to me from my grandmother and grandfather.
When the mushroom trip had plateaued about 2 hours in I took a fat hit of THC vape which pushed me even higher. I was no longer merely *feeling* the spirit of the eagle and of my grandparents...I had merged with those spirits and become one with them. I was experiencing their lives as they experienced them in the mid 20th century, long before I even existed. Not in the specific details of day to day events of their lives, but in the summative emotional experience of their lives. Many of my other visions during this trip were of iconography of mid 20th century America, further solidifying my belief that whatever mushrooms do, they do something extremely weird to our flawed notions of linear time. I felt them, there is a real sense in which I *was* them, and dammit I can't explain it but I/we were not exactly eagles per se, but we were humans who carried the essence of the eagle within us.
It was an incredibly cathartic experience. I can't explain the mechanism, but our souls had transcended their deaths and connected into one. Even now after everything has worn off I feel more connected to my grandparents than I have ever felt before, and in retrospect I feel quite strongly that this spiritual phone call has been trying to get through to me for my last two or three mushroom trips, but I didn't quite get deep enough into the mushroom head space (i.e., I didn't have enough bars for a good connection) for it to happen.
It's only been a day, and I know trip integration takes a while, but I'm coming out of this trip with a really strong conviction that spirit animals are a real thing and that they run in families, and that mine is the eagle. Can't wait to do some more reading on the topic and open to suggestions if anyone has had a similar encounter.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: individualist]
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I love this write up... a courageous journey!
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: ermine]
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Best report I've read in ages. Thank you for writing all this up. It made me smile reading it.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: individualist]
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Fascinating trip, sir. Well written, thank you for sharing. I would love to meet my spirit guide and / or my spirit animal. I tried to make contact last trip but don’t think I was successful. Certainly nothing / nobody returned my attempts at contact. Though later I became aware of a female almost ghostly presence, flying off up some winding stairs in my head. I have previously definitely felt certain energies, which are recognisable, and I recognise these same energies in actual living people, not just during trips. I am told they are my spirit group.
This is all fascinating. I’ve picked up an introductory book on shamanism, and this initially talks all about the spirit animals.
Take care, DJ Ed
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: DJ Ed]
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Great write up man. I hope to approach this at some level.. at some time..
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: DJ Ed]
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It was strange. I was not in any way attempting to contact a spirit animal or my grandmother. However, my last two trips before this I strongly sensed something trying to get in touch with me, but never quite pieced it together. But I’m firmly convinced my grandmother, or at least her spiritual energy or something, has been trying to reach me. Somehow, she sent me a spiritual eagle...
This sounds bizarre I know. Of course it is most likely that some part of my own subconscious simply chose to manifest itself to me as my grandmother in eagle form
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: individualist]
#26423216 - 01/08/20 03:57 PM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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I don’t know what it is, or how it could be. But I am convinced we do not cease to exist when we physically die. My first ever psychedelic peak, from ‘white lightning’ LSD tabs, I got the overwhelming feeling that this is what I had been searching for my entire life. It was so familiar. It was so comforting.
I have honestly only been really trying to make contact on my last trip, after loads of great advice on here. So I am not despondent. I’ll keep trying. I’ll get better.
But even without trying to make contact, in many mushroom peaks I have felt recognisable energies, some of which I can relate to people I know, both living and passed away.
Mush love, DJ Ed
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: DJ Ed]
#26423235 - 01/08/20 04:06 PM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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Well I strongly recommend the rue+psilo+THC (especially of the sativa variety) approach.
I have a very intense spiritual experience every time.
You’ve really got to go for it on the mushroom part though. 8 grams or more. Wait for the peak and during the plateau take 2 big rips of strong weed or thc vape.
You’ll feel that “returning home” feeling within a minute of the thc hits and there’s no telling where it’ll take you. I’ve entered time loops (deja vu in which I strongly felt I was not only remembering a prior experience, but had in fact merged with that same prior coordinate in spacetime), saw a family member as a goddess, and experienced the spirit eagle of my grandmother.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: individualist]
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You’re drawing me in friend 👍🏻 So with the rue, I presume I’d need to do the ayahuasca diet the preceding week? Or am I getting confused with something else?
Cheers, DJ Ed
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: DJ Ed]
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DJ Ed said: You’re drawing me in friend 👍🏻 So with the rue, I presume I’d need to do the ayahuasca diet the preceding week? Or am I getting confused with something else?
Cheers, DJ Ed
No, there's no diet necessary when consuming Rue/Caapi/Harmalas or Moclobemide, the diet thing is only for irreversible and non-selective (MAO-A and MAO-B inhibiting) MAOI's. The other Aya diet has more to do with cleaning yourself out so no sex, no red meat, no salt, sugar, or anything like that, but it's definitely not mandatory. Don't even have to fast though it's preferable to not eat anything a few hours before so that things absorb properly plus you wouldn't wanna eat a big meal prior and then have to vomit it all back up if you experience the purgative effects of the Harmalas.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: individualist]
#26424949 - 01/09/20 03:41 PM (4 years, 20 days ago) |
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individualist said: Last night I had a trip unlike any other. Of course that should go without saying, as no trip is like any other but this trip was next level intense and different.
I didn't "break through" per se in the same way that I've broken through before on doses this high, but I most definitely ascended to a higher plane of consciousness than that of my own individual ego.
I ground up 4 grams of Syrian Rue in my coffee grinder into fine powder. I scooped the powder bit by bit into my mouth and to mask the taste of the Rue I had made a strong Patron margarita with which I washed down each mouthful of Rue powder, aware that the alcohol might compromise the mushrooms but accepting that risk. It worked because I barely tasted the Syrian Rue. I then began brewing a tea of 8 grams of wild picked, cracker dry P cubensis. 2 cups of water brought to a boil then removed from heat, pulverized mushrooms mixed into the simmering water and stirred at low heat for 15 minutes and poured through a coffee filter directly into a coffee mug. I made sure to teabag and squeeze the mushies into the tea several times before drinking. By the time the tea was ready it had been 30-40 minutes since I'd consumed the rue. I drank the warm tea over the course of about 20 minutes.
I was feeling effects, a very strong come up with level 2 body load and visuals by the time I even finished the tea. I immediately huddled up under a very warm fuzzy blanket laying down on my couch in anticipation of the extreme cold I generally suffer on the come up. This was another good move as I could feel my body trying to be cold, but the cold was successfully countered by the soft warmth of the blanket.
While relaxing on the couch the shrooms gradually kicked in. Now this was a heroic dose by any measure, and I was tripping really, really hard, with full blown 3D closed eye visuals and neon open eye patterns swirling around the room. Visually, probably the most intense trip I've ever had and worth the experience for this reason alone.
But here is where it got really interesting. My thoughts drifted to the topic of my paternal grandmother who passed away many years ago. It's worth noting that I bear a striking resemblance to her in facial structure (though I am a male). She was a socialite of the southern upper class in her heyday and a true beauty in her youth, she aged with grace and passed away with dignity after a bout with Alzheimer's. In a sober state and without bias I can truly say she was the definition of a classy lady. I could not separate my thought patterns from dwelling on her, yet what is strange is that the visions I was having of her were not of my memories of her as an old lady, but of her in her youth...decades before I was born, raising my father and his brothers (my uncles).
Another note about my grandmother...she was a dainty and delicate lady but with a fiery passion inside--a very lightweight bone structure, like a bird's, and a voice that was...uniquely high pitched, again like a bird's. This is relevant because in this trip I envisioned her wrists and hands as an eagle's talons. Now a note about her husband, my grandfather. He was a career fighter pilot in the Navy and Air Force. His son, my father, was also a career aviator in the Air Force, and I myself have a significant background in aviation with about 1,000 flight hours under my belt.
I'm only giving all these details because I think they are relevant to the spiritual experience I had on this trip. Now look. I'm a white guy, and an unapologetic one at that. I've never really believed in indigenous spiritual traditions until last night. But I felt a connection to both of my grandparents that was real, and the vehicle of that connection was via the animal spirit of the eagle...that they had not, in fact, perished; that they lived, in me, and in our family's spirit animal, which is the eagle.
I kept having visions of my grandparents, but especially of my grandmother, elegantly soaring the skies as an eagle, not once or twice or three times, but continuously over the course of a 6 hour mushroom trip. When I wasn't envisioning her as an eagle, I was envisioning her in human form wearing a hat with an eagle's feather in it, or with a lapel pin bearing the emblem of the eagle in one form or another. I envisioned my grandfather soaring the skies in his fighter jets, raising my father who would follow in his footsteps as an aviator, who in turn raised me. As a woman of the eagle spirit she was drawn to him because our family is drawn to the sky. We seek careers in the sky, we climb mountains, we travel every chance we get, we are all "small boned" lightweight people. Every thought, every recollection, every vision I had last night reinforced the notion that I carry within me the spirit of the eagle, which was given to me from my grandmother and grandfather.
When the mushroom trip had plateaued about 2 hours in I took a fat hit of THC vape which pushed me even higher. I was no longer merely *feeling* the spirit of the eagle and of my grandparents...I had merged with those spirits and become one with them. I was experiencing their lives as they experienced them in the mid 20th century, long before I even existed. Not in the specific details of day to day events of their lives, but in the summative emotional experience of their lives. Many of my other visions during this trip were of iconography of mid 20th century America, further solidifying my belief that whatever mushrooms do, they do something extremely weird to our flawed notions of linear time. I felt them, there is a real sense in which I *was* them, and dammit I can't explain it but I/we were not exactly eagles per se, but we were humans who carried the essence of the eagle within us.
It was an incredibly cathartic experience. I can't explain the mechanism, but our souls had transcended their deaths and connected into one. Even now after everything has worn off I feel more connected to my grandparents than I have ever felt before, and in retrospect I feel quite strongly that this spiritual phone call has been trying to get through to me for my last two or three mushroom trips, but I didn't quite get deep enough into the mushroom head space (i.e., I didn't have enough bars for a good connection) for it to happen.
It's only been a day, and I know trip integration takes a while, but I'm coming out of this trip with a really strong conviction that spirit animals are a real thing and that they run in families, and that mine is the eagle. Can't wait to do some more reading on the topic and open to suggestions if anyone has had a similar encounter.
Awesome write up, thanks for sharing!
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
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Sabnock said: No, there's no diet necessary when consuming Rue/Caapi/Harmalas or Moclobemide, the diet thing is only for irreversible and non-selective (MAO-A and MAO-B inhibiting) MAOI's. The other Aya diet has more to do with cleaning yourself out so no sex, no red meat, no salt, sugar, or anything like that, but it's definitely not mandatory. Don't even have to fast though it's preferable to not eat anything a few hours before so that things absorb properly plus you wouldn't wanna eat a big meal prior and then have to vomit it all back up if you experience the purgative effects of the Harmalas.
Thank you. I think maybe I was getting confused with SSRIs! Thank you for explaining.
Mush love, DJ Ed
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: DJ Ed]
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Bros, I’m rereading this trip report and I can’t fucking believe t was only two weeks ago. I’ve had so much life changing integration from this trip that I feel like it was a year or more ago.
The fact that this happened only two weeks ago, in light of the amount that I’ve let it shape who I am now, is blowing my mind as much as the trip itself. Two weeks...less than 336 hours ago I was at the peak of this trip? It might as well be 336 lifetimes ago that I was having this trip.
What am amazing testament to the awesome power of psilocybin.
I’m humbled
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: individualist]
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I’m always humbled, individualist,,except when I’ve messed something up and I don’t trip! No seriously, I take something from every trip, even if that’s,just the after glow, the calming effect that lets things just go over your head for a while.
I reckon you’ve seen the light 👍🏻
Mush love, DJ Ed
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: individualist]
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I ground up 4 grams of Syrian Rue
is this the plant, root, seeds? Could you explain a little more about this? Where to find, etc.?
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: boom999]
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It's syrian rue seeds. Tey are legal to buy, just order via internet. They are cheap, too, like 250g for 15 bucks.
Three grams is all you need to potentiate mushrooms x2 and make them last up to 10 hours.
Just take the well ground up rue seeds in gel-capsuls like 30 to 40min before eating the shrooms.
It's a MAO-inhibitor (a RIMA to be more precise), so don't combine with other drugs (speed/mdma etc.) or medications like SSRIs or antipsychotics. This might be fatal!
See psilohuasca.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: individualist]
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My spirit animal was said to be a beaver by a shaman I met. Those high dose trips are epiphany generators and sometimes have gotten lost in some horrid traumatic things in high doses. Sounds like you had a great experience!

What did you specifically mean by this? What does it look like to have full connection to mushroom headspace in your view?:
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Pandemoon]
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Pandemoon said: It's syrian rue seeds. Tey are legal to buy, just order via internet. They are cheap, too, like 250g for 15 bucks.
Three grams is all you need to potentiate mushrooms x2 and make them last up to 10 hours.
Just take the well ground up rue seeds in gel-capsuls like 30 to 40min before eating the shrooms.
It's a MAO-inhibitor (a RIMA to be more precise), so don't combine with other drugs (speed/mdma etc.) or medications like SSRIs or antipsychotics. This might be fatal!
See psilohuasca.
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I m going to have to check this out and see how much further I can go in 10 hours as opposed to 4-6 hours. But dammit, they’re almost £40 for 250g in the UK! Might order 10g just to try them out first....
Thanks for the info.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: DJ Ed]
#26436721 - 01/16/20 12:12 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Have you looked on ebay or some ethnobotanical sites? Rue is pretty cheap, i mean idk the prices outside of the US but here in the US it's dirt cheap, heck i can 2 kilos of seed from Iran for 70 bucks or so last i checked. But yeah, shop around a bit, see if you can find some good deals.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
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There are shroomery sponsor vendors based in the netherlands that sell kilos for 40 euros.. But not all of them ship to the UK, though.
I'm sure you find a better source. Nontheless, testing a few doses before ordering bulk is always a good idea.
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Yeah thanks people. The Dutch vendor site I’ve already checked out. They look awesome to be fair. But imagine my disappointment when in the small print they said they didn’t ship to the UK. I was gutted.
Yeah, I’m gonna shop around. Mentioned it to the (never had psychedelics) wife tonight at tea; she didn’t look pleased! Ten hours is a long time, she said. You’ve no idea, I thought 😱
DJ Ed
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: DJ Ed]
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Yah but you’ll only be trippin balls for 2-3, even with rue
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: individualist]
#26436999 - 01/16/20 03:21 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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individualist said: Yah but you’ll only be trippin balls for 2-3, even with rue
I wondered as much. I’m going to check out the psilohuasca link above see what I can learn....
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Sabnock
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: DJ Ed]
#26437019 - 01/16/20 03:31 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Yeah for me mushrooms or 4-ACO with Rue seems to unfold much like an LSD experience does, in that you have the stretched out come up, stretched out peak effects, and then a stretched out afterglow, so it's about a similar timeframe to LSD in terms of how the experience and effects unfolds with the increase in duration. So the first few hours are the trippiest, then around hour 6 or so you're not really tripping out.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
#26437053 - 01/16/20 03:51 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Nice one
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: individualist]
#26437059 - 01/16/20 03:56 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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I mean I had had similar sensations and visions on previous trips but they didn’t crystallize so clearly into the coherent vision I had this time. I had seen a vision of a woman wearing a hat (fedora type) with a feather in it, but it wasn’t as powerful and was definitely not a family spirit.
Something about this trip brought those energies into higher focus and I clearly believe that this experience has been trying to reach me for a while.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: HolyBolete]
#26508896 - 02/28/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I tell you what, if I ever see a shaman and he calls me out as an eagle (especially using creepy native magic fortune cookie language like your soul soars with the winds, like mighty eagle) before I even say anything to him.
Then I will believe.
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Edited by individualist (02/28/20 09:04 PM)
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: individualist]
#26658822 - 05/08/20 11:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for sharing! ? Glad you had a chance to reconnect with your grand parents, have you ever try eating the thc instead of smoking it?
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Zoubir]
#26658847 - 05/09/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I never got a chance to say goodbye to my grandfathers. Little did I know that fungi would allow me to reconnect and experientially do so. OP, I’m happy with you that you were able to do so. Beyond glad.
Psychedelics...what We know about them... isn’t squat, we could take all we know about their potential and it would amount to a grain of sand.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: individualist]
#26660200 - 05/09/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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individualist said: Well I strongly recommend the rue+psilo+THC (especially of the sativa variety) approach.
I have a very intense spiritual experience every time.
I second that 
Memorable indeed.
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Shenmue
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Aldous]
#26660223 - 05/09/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I absolutely hate Syrian Rue! It gives me a lot more anxiety than caapi. The worst experience of my life was an acacia/rue trip. I honestly think something in Syrian Rue is toxic and that the plant is straight up evil. Something about the experience is extremely dark for me. A lot of People on the dmtnexus have the same opinion. If you're going to use rue I recommend you at least do an extraction to get the pure alkaloids.
You guy's are going to do what you want. I'm just trying to warn you..
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
#26660226 - 05/09/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sabnock said: Yeah for me mushrooms or 4-ACO with Rue seems to unfold much like an LSD experience does, in that you have the stretched out come up, stretched out peak effects, and then a stretched out afterglow, so it's about a similar timeframe to LSD in terms of how the experience and effects unfolds with the increase in duration. So the first few hours are the trippiest, then around hour 6 or so you're not really tripping out.
I bet you would love panaeolus cyanescens..
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Shenmue]
#26660334 - 05/09/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: I absolutely hate Syrian Rue! It gives me a lot more anxiety than caapi. The worst experience of my life was an acacia/rue trip. I honestly think something in Syrian Rue is toxic and that the plant is straight up evil. Something about the experience is extremely dark for me. A lot of People on the dmtnexus have the same opinion. If you're going to use rue I recommend you at least do an extraction to get the pure alkaloids.
You guy's are going to do what you want. I'm just trying to warn you..
The bias against Rue is what's evil, i've worked with this plant extensively, nothing about it is toxic or evil. Harmaline can act as an inverse agonist at the GABA-A receptor, and therefore can cause a bit of a rough bodyload as well as generate anxiety, but at higher dosages, Harmaline can actually have anti-anxiety effeccts and provide a deep trancy relaxation. So even if you extract the pure alkaloids, you'll still get Harmaline and therefore still have GABA-A inverse agonism. I suggest mixing in something GABAergic like Lemon Balm, or Xanax, or Skullcap, or Amanita, or something. Though, if you consume it regularly, the Harmala reverse tolerance builds up and the bodyload cleans up and those undesirable side-effects go away. However, i for one like the roughness of Rue because it lets people know it's a serious plant for serious business, it's ass kicking, way stronger/more powerful than Caapi will ever be, although Black Caapi may be the exception due to higher amounts of Harmaline in Black Caapi.
Rue and Acacia is actually my favorite combination, very spiritual/mystical, i really don't need anything else. Perhaps you just took too much of either Rue or Acacia? Too much Rue can be quite rough, too much Acacia can be too intense and psychologically overwhelming, find the right balance and it's a godly and heavenly mixture.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
#26660340 - 05/09/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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There's lots of things one can mix with Rue though to clean up how it feels, it can feel as clean as Caapi if one wanted to. Also roasting the Rue seed prior to grinding really helps as well.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
#26660356 - 05/09/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've also tried full spectrum freebased Rue extract, and manske purified Harmala extract, if i go for extract, i prefer the full spectrum, it feels cleaner/lighter than the seed, but the purified Harmala extract feels way too much like isolated Harmalas and isn't as good ime, but overall, i prefer the actual seed.
A lot of people really misunderstand Rue and don't work with it enough to know what it's about or how it is, some people prefer it over Caapi, some prefer Caapi over it, it just comes down to personal preference, but a lot of people go for Caapi simply because it's traditional, not because it's better or that Rue is somehow inferior. I've had a lot of rough experiences with Rue, but i never let that stop me from working with this magical plant, and plenty of people have also had quite the rough experiences using Caapi, they didn't let that stop them from working with Caapi either. Aya is a very powerful plant combination, when done right, enough to scare probably most people off if it's done right.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
#26660364 - 05/09/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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There's 2 main reasons that people seem to have lighter/gentler experiences with Caapi. 1, its weaker in terms of potency and not as potent as Rue, so it's easier not to overdo it with the Caapi, and pretty easy to overdo it with the Rue. And 2, the low amount of Harmaline in Caapi makes Caapi overall less powerful/strong than Rue.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
#26660410 - 05/09/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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In my opinion mimosa hostilis and cappi are superior to acacia and rue. I think most people would actually agree with me on that statement. I think it's a cleaner experience..
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Sabnock
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Shenmue]
#26660595 - 05/09/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: In my opinion mimosa hostilis and cappi are superior to acacia and rue. I think most people would actually agree with me on that statement. I think it's a cleaner experience..
Eh, comes down to personal preference. To me, Acacia is way better than Mimosa, more visual, more spiritual/mystical, has something extra which could be the NMT (another endogenous compound). Others would argue that Chacruna is superior, others would say Chaliponga, others would say Psilocybin, use what you can use imo.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
#26660866 - 05/09/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: In my opinion mimosa hostilis and cappi are superior to acacia and rue. I think most people would actually agree with me on that statement. I think it's a cleaner experience..
Eh, comes down to personal preference. To me, Acacia is way better than Mimosa, more visual, more spiritual/mystical, has something extra which could be the NMT (another endogenous compound). Others would argue that Chacruna is superior, others would say Chaliponga, others would say Psilocybin, use what you can use imo.
I'm not a fan of NMT myself. I like the pure experience.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Shenmue]
#26660899 - 05/09/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: I'm not a fan of NMT myself. I like the pure experience.
That's fine though, it's certainly an option to go for DMT or DMT+NMT, that's the good thing about Aya though, there's so many different plants and flavors and admixtures to choose from and use.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
#26674402 - 05/16/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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5 months later and I can still vouch for this trip as one of the most significant life changing experiences I’ve had with psychedelics.
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