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DJ Ed
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Pandemoon] 1
#26436982 - 01/16/20 03:13 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Yeah thanks people. The Dutch vendor site I’ve already checked out. They look awesome to be fair. But imagine my disappointment when in the small print they said they didn’t ship to the UK. I was gutted.
Yeah, I’m gonna shop around. Mentioned it to the (never had psychedelics) wife tonight at tea; she didn’t look pleased! Ten hours is a long time, she said. You’ve no idea, I thought 😱
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: DJ Ed]
#26436988 - 01/16/20 03:15 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Yah but you’ll only be trippin balls for 2-3, even with rue
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Edited by individualist (01/16/20 03:16 PM)
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: individualist]
#26436999 - 01/16/20 03:21 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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individualist said: Yah but you’ll only be trippin balls for 2-3, even with rue
I wondered as much. I’m going to check out the psilohuasca link above see what I can learn....
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: DJ Ed]
#26437019 - 01/16/20 03:31 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Yeah for me mushrooms or 4-ACO with Rue seems to unfold much like an LSD experience does, in that you have the stretched out come up, stretched out peak effects, and then a stretched out afterglow, so it's about a similar timeframe to LSD in terms of how the experience and effects unfolds with the increase in duration. So the first few hours are the trippiest, then around hour 6 or so you're not really tripping out.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
#26437053 - 01/16/20 03:51 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Nice one
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: individualist]
#26437059 - 01/16/20 03:56 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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I mean I had had similar sensations and visions on previous trips but they didn’t crystallize so clearly into the coherent vision I had this time. I had seen a vision of a woman wearing a hat (fedora type) with a feather in it, but it wasn’t as powerful and was definitely not a family spirit.
Something about this trip brought those energies into higher focus and I clearly believe that this experience has been trying to reach me for a while.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: HolyBolete]
#26508896 - 02/28/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I tell you what, if I ever see a shaman and he calls me out as an eagle (especially using creepy native magic fortune cookie language like your soul soars with the winds, like mighty eagle) before I even say anything to him.
Then I will believe.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: individualist]
#26658822 - 05/08/20 11:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for sharing! ? Glad you had a chance to reconnect with your grand parents, have you ever try eating the thc instead of smoking it?
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Zoubir]
#26658847 - 05/09/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I never got a chance to say goodbye to my grandfathers. Little did I know that fungi would allow me to reconnect and experientially do so. OP, I’m happy with you that you were able to do so. Beyond glad.
Psychedelics...what We know about them... isn’t squat, we could take all we know about their potential and it would amount to a grain of sand.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: individualist]
#26660200 - 05/09/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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individualist said: Well I strongly recommend the rue+psilo+THC (especially of the sativa variety) approach.
I have a very intense spiritual experience every time.
I second that 
Memorable indeed.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Aldous]
#26660223 - 05/09/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I absolutely hate Syrian Rue! It gives me a lot more anxiety than caapi. The worst experience of my life was an acacia/rue trip. I honestly think something in Syrian Rue is toxic and that the plant is straight up evil. Something about the experience is extremely dark for me. A lot of People on the dmtnexus have the same opinion. If you're going to use rue I recommend you at least do an extraction to get the pure alkaloids.
You guy's are going to do what you want. I'm just trying to warn you..
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
#26660226 - 05/09/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sabnock said: Yeah for me mushrooms or 4-ACO with Rue seems to unfold much like an LSD experience does, in that you have the stretched out come up, stretched out peak effects, and then a stretched out afterglow, so it's about a similar timeframe to LSD in terms of how the experience and effects unfolds with the increase in duration. So the first few hours are the trippiest, then around hour 6 or so you're not really tripping out.
I bet you would love panaeolus cyanescens..
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Shenmue]
#26660334 - 05/09/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: I absolutely hate Syrian Rue! It gives me a lot more anxiety than caapi. The worst experience of my life was an acacia/rue trip. I honestly think something in Syrian Rue is toxic and that the plant is straight up evil. Something about the experience is extremely dark for me. A lot of People on the dmtnexus have the same opinion. If you're going to use rue I recommend you at least do an extraction to get the pure alkaloids.
You guy's are going to do what you want. I'm just trying to warn you..
The bias against Rue is what's evil, i've worked with this plant extensively, nothing about it is toxic or evil. Harmaline can act as an inverse agonist at the GABA-A receptor, and therefore can cause a bit of a rough bodyload as well as generate anxiety, but at higher dosages, Harmaline can actually have anti-anxiety effeccts and provide a deep trancy relaxation. So even if you extract the pure alkaloids, you'll still get Harmaline and therefore still have GABA-A inverse agonism. I suggest mixing in something GABAergic like Lemon Balm, or Xanax, or Skullcap, or Amanita, or something. Though, if you consume it regularly, the Harmala reverse tolerance builds up and the bodyload cleans up and those undesirable side-effects go away. However, i for one like the roughness of Rue because it lets people know it's a serious plant for serious business, it's ass kicking, way stronger/more powerful than Caapi will ever be, although Black Caapi may be the exception due to higher amounts of Harmaline in Black Caapi.
Rue and Acacia is actually my favorite combination, very spiritual/mystical, i really don't need anything else. Perhaps you just took too much of either Rue or Acacia? Too much Rue can be quite rough, too much Acacia can be too intense and psychologically overwhelming, find the right balance and it's a godly and heavenly mixture.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
#26660340 - 05/09/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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There's lots of things one can mix with Rue though to clean up how it feels, it can feel as clean as Caapi if one wanted to. Also roasting the Rue seed prior to grinding really helps as well.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
#26660356 - 05/09/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've also tried full spectrum freebased Rue extract, and manske purified Harmala extract, if i go for extract, i prefer the full spectrum, it feels cleaner/lighter than the seed, but the purified Harmala extract feels way too much like isolated Harmalas and isn't as good ime, but overall, i prefer the actual seed.
A lot of people really misunderstand Rue and don't work with it enough to know what it's about or how it is, some people prefer it over Caapi, some prefer Caapi over it, it just comes down to personal preference, but a lot of people go for Caapi simply because it's traditional, not because it's better or that Rue is somehow inferior. I've had a lot of rough experiences with Rue, but i never let that stop me from working with this magical plant, and plenty of people have also had quite the rough experiences using Caapi, they didn't let that stop them from working with Caapi either. Aya is a very powerful plant combination, when done right, enough to scare probably most people off if it's done right.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
#26660364 - 05/09/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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There's 2 main reasons that people seem to have lighter/gentler experiences with Caapi. 1, its weaker in terms of potency and not as potent as Rue, so it's easier not to overdo it with the Caapi, and pretty easy to overdo it with the Rue. And 2, the low amount of Harmaline in Caapi makes Caapi overall less powerful/strong than Rue.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
#26660410 - 05/09/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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In my opinion mimosa hostilis and cappi are superior to acacia and rue. I think most people would actually agree with me on that statement. I think it's a cleaner experience..
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Shenmue]
#26660595 - 05/09/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: In my opinion mimosa hostilis and cappi are superior to acacia and rue. I think most people would actually agree with me on that statement. I think it's a cleaner experience..
Eh, comes down to personal preference. To me, Acacia is way better than Mimosa, more visual, more spiritual/mystical, has something extra which could be the NMT (another endogenous compound). Others would argue that Chacruna is superior, others would say Chaliponga, others would say Psilocybin, use what you can use imo.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Sabnock]
#26660866 - 05/09/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: In my opinion mimosa hostilis and cappi are superior to acacia and rue. I think most people would actually agree with me on that statement. I think it's a cleaner experience..
Eh, comes down to personal preference. To me, Acacia is way better than Mimosa, more visual, more spiritual/mystical, has something extra which could be the NMT (another endogenous compound). Others would argue that Chacruna is superior, others would say Chaliponga, others would say Psilocybin, use what you can use imo.
I'm not a fan of NMT myself. I like the pure experience.
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Re: 4g rue+8 grams p cubensis+THC; merger with deceased ancestors and family spirit animal [Re: Shenmue]
#26660899 - 05/09/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shenmue said: I'm not a fan of NMT myself. I like the pure experience.
That's fine though, it's certainly an option to go for DMT or DMT+NMT, that's the good thing about Aya though, there's so many different plants and flavors and admixtures to choose from and use.
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