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Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons.
#26411250 - 01/01/20 05:09 PM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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You can't call abortion of embryos assassination since assassination involves the killing of persons. Pro-life are fundamentally wrong when they call an embryo a person or a human being.
It is simply wrong to describe a fertilised ovum as a human being. A fertilised ovum is not a human being,it is a biological reaction. It has no head, no heart, no spine, no consciousness. It is a collection of biological elements which is no more a human being than my leg, my arm, any of my organs, even my toe nails.
It may someday become a human being, but it is not a human being.
A sperm is not a human being, an ovum is not a human being. Together they do not make up a human being. They become an embryo with a very risky future.
Libertarians and pro-life call the fundamental "right to life" card with the topic of abortion. And the "respect for one's life project" card as well.. WHAT THEY DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND IS that these fundamental rights refer to persons... NOT EMBRYOS.
Also, 90% of pro-life defendants are religious people. They use these very sentimental images and videos to reinforce their point that ending the life of an embryo is assassination. A very similar tactic that religious people use to gain supporters into their cult.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26411255 - 01/01/20 05:15 PM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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Idk, I can see how a fetus is alive and, technically, human. That said, if one is growing INSIDE YOUR BODY, you should be able to kill it if you want...
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26411261 - 01/01/20 05:20 PM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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Agree 100%
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26411272 - 01/01/20 05:26 PM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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Anonymous #2 said: Idk, I can see how a fetus is alive and, technically, human. That said, if one is growing INSIDE YOUR BODY, you should be able to kill it if you want...
A fetus is very different than an embryo. the first 8 weeks after conception are considered embryos, week 9 it becomes a fetus. But talking about fetuses, if i could choose a middle point between conception and giving birth, to be considered a human or person or at least closer to the definition of person or human being, neurology says is week 24... I'm intended to believe the experts...
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Just as death is usually defined by the cessation of brain activity, so the start of life can be defined as the start of a recognisable ElectroencephalographyWikipedia's W.svg (EEG) pattern from the foetus. This is usually twenty four to twenty seven weeks after conception.[2]
The point of using neurological factors rather than other signs such as a heartbeat is that this is a much more useful indicator from the point of view of science. A heart beats using mostly involuntary muscle movements so is really little different from any other spontaneous motion or metabolic processes. A heartbeat means relatively little in real terms, although it is more dramatic from an emotive point of view.
So for me, the "animal life" starts at conception but the "human life" really starts in week 24. Is the most objective form of view, and based on neurology.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26411513 - 01/01/20 08:27 PM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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So is abortion at 24 weeks killing a human?
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Anonymous #4 said: So is abortion at 24 weeks killing a human?
What are you referring as "killing a human"? Killing the species generic name life form aka human (homo sapiens scientific name)? Killing what we call philosophically "human being" or a "person"?
Killing a fetus of 24 weeks old is killing the philosophical representation of what we call a human being or person, since at 24 weeks the brain "turns on" according to neurology consensus. You can kill the homo sapiens life form at any stage after the conception but there is a middle point in which it should be considered assassination, an embryon (8 weeks old max) clearly is not close to that.
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#26411796 - 01/02/20 02:30 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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but at how many weeks does the soul appear?
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26412107 - 01/02/20 08:50 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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A sperm is half a human being, an embryo is a whole human being.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #6]
#26412273 - 01/02/20 10:33 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Call.it whatever you want I guess but if you think that its potential for life is more important than the existing life if the woman who is carrying it you're a straight up piece of trash.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #7]
#26412295 - 01/02/20 10:47 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Abortion is a very slippery slope. For the most part I’m not against it, but as a society, who has the right to determines who lives and who dies. Is all life important or only the ones that can vote. Post birth abortions and forced euthanasia is right around the corner. Agree with me or not, it’s coming.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#26412328 - 01/02/20 11:06 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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That's ridiculous. Post birth abortions wpuld mean killing a viable infant after it has been born. That is not abortion, since the neonate would be killed after it has been born, is outside of the womb, and can sustain life on it's own. I could see this happening more if we as a country (I am in the U.S.) continue to restrict access to abortion and continue moving towards a forced birth model, which absolutely is happening. No woman who wants an abortion is going to carry a pregnancy to term, deliver, and then have a "Post birth abortion" performed if she has access to safe and affordable abortion. We have only a couple of states that allow physician assisted suicide for adults with terminal illness who want to end their own lives with dignity, so to say that "Post birth abortions" are right around the corner simply because we still have access to safe and legal abortion (for now) is complete and utter horseshit.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#26412335 - 01/02/20 11:08 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Anonymous #6 said: A sperm is half a human being, an embryo is a whole human being.
So when I feed the geese I commit millions of half-murders? Should I be sentenced to 12.5 years to half-life? Or a million half-life sentences?
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Anonymous #8 said: Abortion is a very slippery slope. For the most part I’m not against it, but as a society, who has the right to determines who lives and who dies. Is all life important or only the ones that can vote. Post birth abortions and forced euthanasia is right around the corner. Agree with me or not, it’s coming.
Denying half the population their right to protect their wellbeing isn’t a slippery slope?
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #6]
#26412431 - 01/02/20 12:17 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Anonymous #6 said: A sperm is half a human being, an embryo is a whole human being.
There's 2 definition of human beings.
1.- The generic name of the homo sapiens specie.
2.- The philosophical representation of what make us human beings or persons. (of course our brains is what differentiate us from a embryo)
Yes an embryo is a number 1 life form.
No, an embryo is definitely not number 2.
Can we please specify for the sake of the debate what you mean as human beings every time you mention it? Is fucking confusing having to decipher what you mean by human beings. For 1 say human beings for 2 say "human beings" or just persons.
An embryo is a whole human being in the sense that is a homo sapiens life form, that doesn't make the embryo a "human being" aka a person.
An no, every time i jerk off i'm not killing millions of half human beings in any sense.
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Anonymous #8 said: Abortion is a very slippery slope. For the most part I’m not against it, but as a society, who has the right to determines who lives and who dies. Is all life important or only the ones that can vote. Post birth abortions and forced euthanasia is right around the corner. Agree with me or not, it’s coming.
You are saying a "who" to an embryo? IS NOT A "WHO" why you can't understand that embryos are not PERSONS. An embryo is no more than a property of the woman that carries it inside of her.. SHE is a PERSON, SHE is a "human being", she should have a more rights than an embryo.
EDIT: Post birth abortions? that infanticide. Then i would agree that the post birth individual is actually a baby/person/"human being". He has the right to live, he already won the title of a person and its rights. That is Murder/assassination. Killing an embryo is not murder/assassination.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26412446 - 01/02/20 12:24 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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I don’t think it matters whether an embryo/fetus is human or alive. I mean, if I get a tapeworm removed, I won’t go to jail for animal abuse. Cause I get to kill animals that literally live inside my body, leaching off my nutrition and grinding down on my overall well-being.
In the context of abortion, I don’t see how a fetus is so different from a tapeworm.
You ask “who gets to decide who lives or dies...”. But the answer is obvious. If something is living in your body, YOU get to decide whether it lives or dies. Seems fair, no?
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#26412462 - 01/02/20 12:34 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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TAPEWORM LIVES MATTER
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Anonymous #8 said: Abortion is a very slippery slope. For the most part I’m not against it, but as a society, who has the right to determines who lives and who dies. Is all life important or only the ones that can vote. Post birth abortions and forced euthanasia is right around the corner. Agree with me or not, it’s coming.
I can smell the alex jones in this post
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26412485 - 01/02/20 12:53 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Anonymous #4 said: So is abortion at 24 weeks killing a human?
What are you referring as "killing a human"? Killing the species generic name life form aka human (homo sapiens scientific name)? Killing what we call philosophically "human being" or a "person"?
Killing a fetus of 24 weeks old is killing the philosophical representation of what we call a human being or person, since at 24 weeks the brain "turns on" according to neurology consensus. You can kill the homo sapiens life form at any stage after the conception but there is a middle point in which it should be considered assassination, an embryon (8 weeks old max) clearly is not close to that.
So is that your cut off for an abortion?
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #4]
#26412499 - 01/02/20 12:59 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Anonymous #4 said: So is abortion at 24 weeks killing a human?
What are you referring as "killing a human"? Killing the species generic name life form aka human (homo sapiens scientific name)? Killing what we call philosophically "human being" or a "person"?
Killing a fetus of 24 weeks old is killing the philosophical representation of what we call a human being or person, since at 24 weeks the brain "turns on" according to neurology consensus. You can kill the homo sapiens life form at any stage after the conception but there is a middle point in which it should be considered assassination, an embryon (8 weeks old max) clearly is not close to that.
So is that your cut off for an abortion?
Are you going to call me murder for thinking like that? Come on call me murderer, make use of strong words to get the audience to sympathise with you.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26412529 - 01/02/20 01:28 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Anonymous #4 said: So is abortion at 24 weeks killing a human?
What are you referring as "killing a human"? Killing the species generic name life form aka human (homo sapiens scientific name)? Killing what we call philosophically "human being" or a "person"?
Killing a fetus of 24 weeks old is killing the philosophical representation of what we call a human being or person, since at 24 weeks the brain "turns on" according to neurology consensus. You can kill the homo sapiens life form at any stage after the conception but there is a middle point in which it should be considered assassination, an embryon (8 weeks old max) clearly is not close to that.
So is that your cut off for an abortion?
Are you going to call me murder for thinking like that? Come on call me murderer, make use of strong words to get the audience to sympathise with you.
No, I won't call you a murderer for thinking what you do. I always thought what defines a human is the brain, is that how you feel as well?
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#26412592 - 01/02/20 01:58 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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No, I won't call you a murderer for thinking what you do. I always thought what defines a human is the brain, is that how you feel as well?
Yes! Ultimately our mind is what makes us "human beings" or persons. Not a heart beat. A heart beat is just an involuntary muscle movement. A heart beat for some reason is very dramatic from the emotive point of view.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26412601 - 01/02/20 02:01 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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That’s a pretty simplistic view, considering the extent to which other body parts affect brain function.
Hell, take away all the hormone-producing glands and you’re already a few emotions short of a human.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26412637 - 01/02/20 02:16 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Since when emotions makes us more "human beings" than intelligence or awareness? I understand that without emotions we would be non-synthetic kind of "robots" but still, what makes us persons is really when our brain is fully operative to be capable of awareness. And probably a 24 week old fetus is capable of feeling emotions as well.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26412651 - 01/02/20 02:20 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Yeah. The brain is constantly influenced by emotions, through hormonal processes. Therefore, your current state of mind cannot exist without your hormonal glands, including ones located outside of the brain itself. So your brain isn’t you. Most of your body is you.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26412703 - 01/02/20 02:48 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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An embryo doesn't have emotions nor brain capacity to generate awareness = not a persons or "human being". What you are saying reinforces more than an embryo is NOT a "human being" or person.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26419364 - 01/06/20 01:55 PM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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Anonymous #2 said: Yeah. The brain is constantly influenced by emotions, through hormonal processes. Therefore, your current state of mind cannot exist without your hormonal glands, including ones located outside of the brain itself. So your brain isn’t you. Most of your body is you.
No, the brain is still what reacts to the chemicals that come from outside the brain. My consciousness isn't coming from my glands, stomach or legs.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #4]
#26419391 - 01/06/20 02:11 PM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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Don’t you get it? You don’t know what your brain is like without the rest of your body. Do you really think you’d be you without emotions?
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26419624 - 01/06/20 04:42 PM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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What you guys discussing about emotions, is clear an embryo doesn't have any form of consciousness or emotions. A fetus might have some form of consciousness as well but only after week 24 according to neurology, if a fetus had emotions it would be as well after week 24. Most of the women in most of the countries with legal abortion, abort in the first 12 weeks. Logically, a fetus of 11-12 weeks doesn't have any form of intelligence either, the proto-nervous system that the fetus at that stage might have, can't generate consciousness or awareness or emotions or pain.
They can't be called "human beings" (not talking about the specie!) nor persons. The anti-abort crowd giving the status quo of a embryo or a 12-week fetus a person or a "human being" and calling the pro-choice crowd, or the women that decide to abort or the doctors that perform such procedures murderers which by definition is "the crime of unlawfully killing A PERSON especially with malice aforethought" is just plain nonsense and offensive. And also it turns out that calling it assassination or murder is a technique that they use to win arguments and to touch the heart of the audience to make you look bad.
They also use the "yes they are human beings because the embryo belongs to the human specie" argument when they know we refer to the philosophical definition that makes us human beings which basically in short words our functioning brain, not the fucking common name of our specie. They refuse to accept that the philosophical definition of human being is what we also call a person.
I'm a libertarian in my political way of thinking, but the first fundamental right of the libertarians is "the right to life". That's where we differ among us. I say that right only applies to persons, persons that already born and gained that right. It can't be that an embryo has more rights than the REAL PERSON that carries it inside. Pro-life libertarians are just brain dead and influenced by their religious views of morality.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26419714 - 01/06/20 05:32 PM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yeah, anti-abortion ppl be like that...
But pro-abortion people just keep going on and on about how fetuses aren’t people, and that abortion isn’t murder...
I think it doesn’t matter. You should be able to kill anything AND anyone who is living inside your body.
There was no after-credits scene in Alien where the narrator explains that tiny aliens don’t have developed brains. Cause it’s a movie about extraterrestrial parasites. Embryos are terrestrial parasites.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26420024 - 01/06/20 08:55 PM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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It makes no sense what you are saying. I didn't invent the definition of what people is or what murder is. I just the way it is, both definitions doesn't even come closer to an embryo.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26420224 - 01/07/20 12:11 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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i Didn’t say you invented anything... I said you keep bringing up this one argument, when there are 100 other reasons for being pro-choice.
Say in 1000 years it WAS proven to be a human person at conception. Would you suddenly be anti-abortion?
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26420558 - 01/07/20 08:24 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Anonymous #2 said: i Didn’t say you invented anything... I said you keep bringing up this one argument, when there are 100 other reasons for being pro-choice.
Say in 1000 years it WAS proven to be a human person at conception. Would you suddenly be anti-abortion?
What of the other 100 reasons could be more important than what we are talking? The main reason that anti-abortion people brings is that we are all murderers.
Saying that in 1000 years it could be proven to be a human person at conception, is like saying that in 1000 years the earth could be proven to be flat.
But let's say for the sake of the argument that an embryo is proven to be a person because it can fully reach consciousness some how. I would still be pro-choice since i would argue that the women can still decide if they want to kill the little human persons that they carry inside since is their body BUT i would have no more weapons to refuse that they are murderers against the pro-life supporters, only the weapon of "is their body their choice" but in a court that would have much less weight. Luckily that is not the case. Now, if i was a women in that hypothetical scenario that embryos are persons, i couldn't do it, morally i could kill a conscious person, only if i was raped but if it was my fault for not using condoms or whatever, morally i couldn't do it
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26420567 - 01/07/20 08:38 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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You contradicted yourself multiple times in one post,
You ask “what’s a more important reason”, then state that you’d still be pro-choice if this reason was disproved. You say you’d never get an abortion, in that case, because it’s immoral. But then you pist off some moral reasons to be pro-choice anyway. You say there’s no excuse for “murder”, but then name rape as one of the excuses for murder.
I think you’re more on the fence than pro-choice. Choice has nothing to do with weather your parasite is a person or a tapeworm. You should still be able to choose what happens inside your own body.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26420622 - 01/07/20 09:19 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Anonymous #2 said: You contradicted yourself multiple times in one post,
1.- You ask “what’s a more important reason”, then state that you’d still be pro-choice if this reason was disproved. 2.- You say you’d never get an abortion, in that case, because it’s immoral. But then you pist off some moral reasons to be pro-choice anyway. 3.-You say there’s no excuse for “murder”, but then name rape as one of the excuses for murder.
I think you’re more on the fence than pro-choice. Choice has nothing to do with weather your parasite is a person or a tapeworm. You should still be able to choose what happens inside your own body.
We were talking in a hypothetical scenario. Since that scenario doesn't exist the 3 points above do not give space to contradictions in reality.
1.- I would be pro-choice since I'm not the one taking that decision anyways, you don't have to intervene even if you think is morally wrong which is what pro-life are currently doing 
2.- What moral reasons?
3.- Yep, raping is a perfect excuse to kill a human conscious embryo even if it was called murderer by definition. I never said there was no excuse for murder. Where did i say that? Don't put words in my mouth i didn't say.
Tell me the other 100 reasons worth to discuss against the pro-life supporters that are more important than what defines a person?
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Anonymous #2 said: Choice has nothing to do with weather your parasite is a person or a tapeworm. You should still be able to choose what happens inside your own body.
So you think killing a 9 months old conscious fetus should be legal? You also think it should be morally fine? Or not?
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#26420648 - 01/07/20 09:36 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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“Since that scenario doesn't exist the 3 points above do not give space to contradictions in reality“
I’m sorry, but there’s no point of continuing this if you don’t even understand what a contradiction is.
That last bit is revealing too. “Reasons to discuss against pro-life...”. Shows that you’re not so much pro-choice as you are anti pro-life. Being Pro-choice is about giving women the choice, not about whether an embryo is human🤷🏻♂️
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So you think killing a 9 months old conscious fetus should be legal? You also think it should be morally fine? Or not?
9 month old fetus? That’s a baby, ain’t it?
Like I said, you should be able to kill anything that lives inside your body.
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#26420665 - 01/07/20 09:52 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Anonymous #2 said: Being Pro-choice is about giving women the choice, not about whether an embryo is human🤷🏻♂️
That comes whether or not you think a person right to life should be given to those that already were born or if you think there should be a middle point between conception and giving birth to give rights to a fetus. I personally think there should be a middle point. You seem to think the baby has to be born to give him rights. You are a Ayn Rand objectivist. She thought that a human being only acquires rights once he/she is born, she thought killing a 9 months unborn fetus was morally correct and that it should be legal as well.
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Anonymous #2 said: Choice has nothing to do with weather your parasite is a person or a tapeworm. You should still be able to choose what happens inside your own body.
So you think killing a 9 months old conscious fetus should be legal? You also think it should be morally fine? Or not?
9 month old fetus? That’s a baby, ain’t it?
Like I said, you should be able to kill anything that lives inside your body.
Yes is basically an unborn baby. Ok so you think it should be legal for a women to murder/abort an unborn 9 months fetus and also you think is morally correct? Because you are pro-choice right?
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#26420669 - 01/07/20 09:56 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Lol I said “you’re on the fence, not pro-choice” like 5 posts ago. Now you reiterate it and, somehow, see that as a rebuke of my definition of “pro-choice”? Got it.
Why ask the same thing twice on one page? But ok, here I go again: Like I said, you should be able to kill anything that lives inside your body.
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Anonymous #2 said: Like I said, you should be able to kill anything that lives inside your body.
Oh ok, so you think it should be legal 9 months fetus abortion, got it. Well that by definition is murder and without entering in hypothetical scenarios.
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#26420693 - 01/07/20 10:07 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Do you have a point though?
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Anonymous #2 said: Do you have a point though?
Yes, Ayn Rand believed that a person only acquired rights once it borns. She was an objectivist, I'm a objectivist as well. I base my morality and the legality of the abortion based in scientific facts. I'm sure if Ayn Rand when she was alive knew that a 24 weeks (6 month) fetus brain was totally capable of generating consciousness and NOT before, she would have move that line to month 6, but neurology was not that advanced by the time she died, so she was as objectively as she could with the scientific knowledge that it was available at that time.
I'm sorry but being pro-choice has its limits, if for you killing a 9 month fetus is legally and morally fine. Then you have some serious problems. A woman can decide if she wants it or not in the first 3 months, is more than enough to let them choose if you are a "pro-choice".
The more objectivist form of view is to give rights of a person to a 6 month fetus and not before. This is no longer black or white, there is a gray area and we must choose a middle point to give rights to a fetus. Embryos and 3 months old fetus are definitely not persons… and they will never be by definition.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26420843 - 01/07/20 11:31 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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You’re a dunce. It’s common for women to find out they are MORE that 3 months pregnant.
Basing your morality on facts implies that the facts are relevant. The brain development of a fetus is not relevant to a woman’s right to choose what happens inside her body.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26420963 - 01/07/20 12:25 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Anonymous #2 said: You’re a dunce. It’s common for women to find out they are MORE that 3 months pregnant.
What about 5 months? IS that enough time for them to find out that they are pregnant? Or you still think that aborting 9 months old fetuses it should be legal?
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26420978 - 01/07/20 12:33 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Anonymous #2 said: Oh aborting anything should be legal.
p much
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26420985 - 01/07/20 12:37 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Anonymous #2 said: Oh aborting anything should be legal. I’ve said this a bunch of times.
Here are a couple examples of women finding out after 8-9 months or as they give birth:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/kzmezy/cryptic-pregnancies-unexpected-birth-personal-stories-klara-beth
And a recent, high-profile one:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/11/14/no-morning-sickness-no-bump-model-says-she-didnt-know-she-was-pregnant-until-giving-birth/%3FoutputType%3Damp
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Recent figures say these happen in approximately one in 475 pregnancies
you are basing your way of thinking in a 0.00210526% chance.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26420989 - 01/07/20 12:38 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Nope, I’m basing my refute of your argument on solid examples that happened to real people, who deserve the right to choose for themselves what lives in their body.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26421037 - 01/07/20 12:58 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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If that happens to 1 every 475 women, then we would make an exception legally for them to abort if they desire at any stage of the fetus development. I still assure you that 99% of the women that finds out that they are pregnant at month 9 would decide to have it for moral reasons anyway.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26421048 - 01/07/20 01:03 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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No you wouldn’t make an exception. There’s no way to prove a woman knew/didn’t know she’s pregnant.
But what about an exception for women in abusive relationships? Women who’s health is seriously threatened by carrying a baby to term? (Which is ALL women btw) Women who will abandon their child to the system if they can’t get an abortion? Homeless women? Etc.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26421208 - 01/07/20 02:18 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Make all the exceptions you want just don't make it that easy for them to abort 6-7-8-9 month old fetuses legally? Ok so the women that didn't know they were pregnant until 10 minutes before they gave birth (the 0.002% of the women population), if they give birth and they don't want it, you justify infanticide or you just tell the women she had bad luck and now she's gotta have it and take care of it? or give it to the system? What if there is no system for that? What is the difference between aborting 10 minutes before giving birth or committing infanticide 10 minutes after the baby is born. I just don't see much difference.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26421227 - 01/07/20 02:26 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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The difference is crystal clear:
A FETUS lives inside another human. A BABY does not.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26421233 - 01/07/20 02:31 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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A 10 minute pre-born FETUS is biologically a complete BABY.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26421255 - 01/07/20 02:41 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Biologically? Is it biologically outside a person’s body? This isn’t rocket science.
Tell me, do you know what carrying a baby to term does to a woman’s body, BIOLOGICALLY? I don’t think you do. That’s not a dig at you - I really think if you research this your opinion might change.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26421306 - 01/07/20 03:03 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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I can tell you this. I'm of course not brain dead like pro-life supporters. I do feel sympathy because i consider 6 months old fetus closer to a person. But if i had to choose between black or white i would choose pro-choice.
About the risk of aborting a 9 month fetus or giving birth, is basically the same risk since the fetus is basically the same size.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26421318 - 01/07/20 03:09 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Not giving birth but carrying a baby to term. Just google “health risks of pregnancy” or something like that. Every woman who gives birth will live a shorter, more unhealthy life because of it. Women don’t OWE us babies. A pregnancy is a huge sacrifice. As such, only the woman in question should decide if she wants to sacrifice her health to bring another human into the world. If, at any point, for any reason, she changes her mind, I don’t see why she shouldn’t be able to terminate the pregnancy safely.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26422466 - 01/08/20 07:36 AM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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I agree but 99% of the pregnant women do notice they are pregnant within the first 3 months. Idk, legalizing late stage fetal abortion due to long term health side effects of giving birth is kind of lame. What is the difference in the long term health side effects of aborting a 9 month fetus vs giving birth to a 9 month old fetus. Is basically the same.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26422565 - 01/08/20 09:12 AM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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Right, but the same can be said about your entire argument. Because, obviously, 99% of women will never wait 9 months to seek an abortion 🤷🏻♂️. Or 8 of 7 or 6 or 5...
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #5]
#26484576 - 02/14/20 01:46 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Anonymous #5 said: but at how many weeks does the soul appear?
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #9]
#26499645 - 02/23/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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People who support abbortions are mentally ill.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #10]
#26499650 - 02/23/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why? Give us your reasons, don't just come here to say that
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26499696 - 02/23/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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They want to kill a human being. They are usually mixed race "people" who hate white children.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #10]
#26501113 - 02/24/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jesus, where do all these tiki-torch dicks come from? Go back to Stormfront you shit-coated cum muncher.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26501128 - 02/24/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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for real. I'm sure his mom secretly wishes she aborted him
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #5]
#26501219 - 02/24/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You just proved my point. You cannot say anything without insulting others. You hate humans that's why you enjoy knowing that children are getting murdered.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #10]
#26501224 - 02/24/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do you enjoy knowing that humans are being forced to raise their rapists’ babies because Alabamans love Jesus?
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26501229 - 02/24/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you get raped you can use emergency contraception. Mostly this discussion is not about rapes, but about blue haired liberal sluts who keep yelling ''my body my rights'' to justify their disgusting roastie behavior.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #10]
#26501232 - 02/24/20 10:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pfff what an angry widdle girl...
I hope you get a tapeworm and doctors refuse to remove it because life is precious. You’ll be like “but i don’t want this thing living inside of me!” and “it’s not like I ate a tapeworm egg on purpose!” and “why should I sacrifice my health for something that will ruin my life”...and I’ll be here to call you a murderer for it
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #10]
#26501270 - 02/24/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous #10 said: disgusting roastie behavior.
please don't reproduce, thank you
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#26501294 - 02/24/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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why should I sacrifice my health for something that will ruin my life
Nobody forced you to fuck without protection. Even in 7th grade they teach you the responsibilities that come when you have sex.
Edited by Anonymous (02/24/20 11:09 AM)
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #5]
#26501298 - 02/24/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous #10 said: disgusting roastie behavior.
please don't reproduce, thank you 
Roastie or beta whiteknight?
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #10]
#26501355 - 02/24/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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why should I sacrifice my health for something that will ruin my life
Nobody forced you to fuck without protection. Even in 7th grade they teach you the responsibilities that come when you have sex.
Nobody forced you to eat a sandwich with tapeworm eggs in it.
I know you were just hungry, and wanted to enjoy yourself, but no one made you eat that thing.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #10]
#26501365 - 02/24/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous #10 said: disgusting roastie behavior.
please don't reproduce, thank you 
Roastie or beta whiteknight?
with lingo like that you are either trolling or underage, please go on
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26501373 - 02/24/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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why should I sacrifice my health for something that will ruin my life
Nobody forced you to fuck without protection. Even in 7th grade they teach you the responsibilities that come when you have sex.
Nobody forced you to eat a sandwich with tapeworm eggs in it.
I know you were just hungry, and wanted to enjoy yourself, but no one made you eat that thing.
What does it have to do with this discussion? Are you comparing parasites with human beings? You're probably also a vegan pussy.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #10]
#26501391 - 02/24/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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why should I sacrifice my health for something that will ruin my life
Nobody forced you to fuck without protection. Even in 7th grade they teach you the responsibilities that come when you have sex.
Nobody forced you to eat a sandwich with tapeworm eggs in it.
I know you were just hungry, and wanted to enjoy yourself, but no one made you eat that thing.
What does it have to do with this discussion? Are you comparing parasites with human beings? You're probably also a vegan pussy.
Haha what a crybaby. Can’t come up with a legit argument so you go to 6th grade insults? I’m soooo offended.
A tapeworm is less harmful to a human’s health than carrying a baby to term. An embryo is a parasite by any definition.
The analogy is perfect, you just have nothing to say so you meltdown.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26501413 - 02/24/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If carrying a child is so harmful to you then don't have unprotected sex. Easy. I don't have any problem with this at all. You vegan liberals always use rubber or other contraception methods while we normal people reproduce.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #10]
#26501501 - 02/24/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous #10 said: If carrying a child is so harmful to you then don't have unprotected sex. Easy. I don't have any problem with this at all. You vegan liberals always use rubber or other contraception methods while we normal people reproduce.
If having a tapeworm is so harmful, don’t eat foods that might contain them.
Yes, ALL foods have a chance of having tapeworm eggs on them. Kinda like how ALL contraception methods leave a chance of getting pregnant.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#26501852 - 02/24/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Allright you dickhead.
There is a box with 10000 living fetuses and a baby and yourself. Someone is telling you that you need to kill either the box with 10000 living fetuses or the born baby. If you decide to not kill any of the two options, you will die, the living fetuses and the baby as well, all three will die. If you choose to kill the box with 10000 fetuses you and the baby will survive. If you choose to kill the baby, you and the box with 10000 living fetuses will survive. Choose.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #10]
#26501860 - 02/24/20 04:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous #10 said: If carrying a child is so harmful to you then don't have unprotected sex. Easy. I don't have any problem with this at all. You vegan liberals always use rubber or other contraception methods while we normal people reproduce.
You're going to pay with higher taxes for all of the unwanted children? Or you just want to burden poor people who can't afford the unwanted children.
Not having unprotected sex isn't really a solution, most people are stupid.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #4]
#26501954 - 02/24/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldn't really call that an unpopular opinion. I'd actually call that popular opinion, lol. In any case, that's one of the problems with the abortion debate. Where you draw the line is for each individual to decide and arguing from one point or another won't change the minds of others.
For my take, I do believe that life begins at conception but I am pro-choice. Children are innocent and if the mother is already thinking of abortion she cannot or will not take care of that child. While I believe abortion is taking the life of an unborn baby, I also believe that it is better that that baby not be made to suffer.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26502347 - 02/24/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous #1 said: Allright you dickhead.
There is a box with 10000 living fetuses and a baby and yourself. Someone is telling you that you need to kill either the box with 10000 living fetuses or the born baby. If you decide to not kill any of the two options, you will die, the living fetuses and the baby as well, all three will die. If you choose to kill the box with 10000 fetuses you and the baby will survive. If you choose to kill the baby, you and the box with 10000 living fetuses will survive. Choose.
Dumb made up situation that has nothing to do with real life. Stop trying to justify murder.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #4]
#26502349 - 02/24/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous #10 said: If carrying a child is so harmful to you then don't have unprotected sex. Easy. I don't have any problem with this at all. You vegan liberals always use rubber or other contraception methods while we normal people reproduce.
You're going to pay with higher taxes for all of the unwanted children? Or you just want to burden poor people who can't afford the unwanted children.
Not having unprotected sex isn't really a solution, most people are stupid.
Those poor people should not have children in the first place. I actually support forced sterilization of some people to purge the gene pool.
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#26502355 - 02/24/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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What is wrong about killing a human being? If you have a valid argument in which you need to kill a human being, then there is nothing wrong. Unless there some maliciousness Quote:
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Anonymous #1 said: Allright you dickhead.
There is a box with 10000 living fetuses and a baby and yourself. Someone is telling you that you need to kill either the box with 10000 living fetuses or the born baby. If you decide to not kill any of the two options, you will die, the living fetuses and the baby as well, all three will die. If you choose to kill the box with 10000 fetuses you and the baby will survive. If you choose to kill the baby, you and the box with 10000 living fetuses will survive. Choose.
Dumb made up situation that has nothing to do with real life. Stop trying to justify murder.
That's the point, murder definition involves killing persons. A embryon doesn't have the status of a person, you can't murder the no-persons. You might be killing a homo sapiens life form but is NOT yet a person, is not murder.
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#26502362 - 02/24/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Libtards are fucking hypocrites. What's erong with killing human being? Will you object if I want to kill negros? There are many reasons why it would be justified and there is some evidence that they are completely different species so that wouldn't be murder of a person. Do you have any problem with that?
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#26502437 - 02/24/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous #10 said: Libtards are fucking hypocrites. What's erong with killing human being? Will you object if I want to kill negros? There are many reasons why it would be justified and there is some evidence that they are completely different species so that wouldn't be murder of a person. Do you have any problem with that?
The concept of a person is Quote:
a being that has certain capacities or attributes such as reason, morality, consciousness or self-consciousness, and being a part of a culturally established form of social relations such as kinship, ownership of property, or legal responsibility.
Does an embryo has all that? Of course not. An african american is a fucking person for fuck sake. Even an ALIEN being if it has enough brain capacity to reason with us then it would be considered technically a person. Even a fucking adult pig is more a person than a fucking embryo. An embryo is just a homo sapiens life form with the potential to become a person in the future. You can't murder an embryo, you can kill or end that homo sapiens life form but you can't call it murder. The women that have abortions already have enough shit to deal with for a prick like you to call them murderers.
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the deliberate and illegal killing of a person.
An embryo is NOT A FUCKING PERSON. You understand that? Or you will keep being an ignorant?
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#26502732 - 02/25/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous #1 said: Allright you dickhead.
There is a box with 10000 living fetuses and a baby and yourself. Someone is telling you that you need to kill either the box with 10000 living fetuses or the born baby. If you decide to not kill any of the two options, you will die, the living fetuses and the baby as well, all three will die. If you choose to kill the box with 10000 fetuses you and the baby will survive. If you choose to kill the baby, you and the box with 10000 living fetuses will survive. Choose.
Ok....There’s a box with 1000 living tapeworms, a baby and yourself... I can do this all day.
Your brain should be dissected so we get a better understanding of retardation.
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#26502738 - 02/25/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Exactly. If the embryo is from white parents then it has potential to be a well functioning member of society while niggers are useless.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #10]
#26502758 - 02/25/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Who are you supposedly agreeing with, Hitler McGee?
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#26503028 - 02/25/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok....There’s a box with 1000 living tapeworms, a baby and yourself... I can do this all day.
Your brain should be dissected so we get a better understanding of retardation.
I'm totally fine with you calling them tapeworms.
Perhaps. But what i achieved what i wanted which was Anonymous #10 to evade.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26503034 - 02/25/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I’m not calling them tapeworms. They just have the same effects on the human body. And I think a human should have the right to remove either from THEIR OWN BODY.
Insert “tapeworm” instead of embryo in any of your questions and you see how ridiculous you sound.
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#26503090 - 02/25/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous #2 said: I’m not calling them tapeworms. They just have the same effects on the human body. And I think a human should have the right to remove either from THEIR OWN BODY.
Insert “tapeworm” instead of embryo in any of your questions and you see how ridiculous you sound.
I'm fine with embryos as well, i'm fine with tapeworms as well. What is your problem with me? I support abortion.
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#26503092 - 02/25/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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My problem with YOU is...my shitty vision lol. Thought you were anon 10.
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#26503517 - 02/25/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous #2 said: My problem with YOU is...my shitty vision lol. Thought you were anon 10.
lol
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26503992 - 02/25/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anon 10 must be a religious guy, very irrational, he must believe in god. He uses the same sentimental words to give sentimental impact to his arguments, words like murder, assassination, images of death fetuses. Same technique that Religious people uses in atheist-religious debates.
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26504916 - 02/26/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anonymous #1 said: Anon 10 must be a religious guy, very irrational, he must believe in god. He uses the same sentimental words to give sentimental impact to his arguments, words like murder, assassination, images of death fetuses. Same technique that Religious people uses in atheist-religious debates.
*tips fedora*
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Anonymous #1
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #10]
#26505011 - 02/26/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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very retrograde
Then people like you end up having an abortion anyways and all the hours you spent trying to defend embryos in the internet goes to the drain.
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Anonymous #12
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Re: Unpopular opinion. Embryos are not human beings or persons. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#26510445 - 02/29/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Life in the embryo is a subjective decision, and in any case, the mother needs to decide. No one else is qualified to.
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