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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: openmind]
    #26414427 - 01/03/20 01:57 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Here in the state it's legal anyone can grow but hydros are still illegal. I understood from the reply that medical patients could grow hydros, in addition to everyone being able to grow in dirt.






I'm really not following what you're saying at all.


In your previous post you said that only those with a medical card can grow, and they can only grow in hydroponics specifically. You said, "only medical patients can grow hydroponics"....

.....But now you're saying that anyone can grow the plant, but that growing with hydroponics specifically is illegal?

And then right after you said growing with hydro is illegal you go back to saying that medical patients are allowed to grow hydro?....and you say that anyone with out a medical card who wants to grow has to grow in soil and they are not allowed to grow in hydro?

I'm soooo so confused.

Why would people with a medical card only be allowed to grow hydroponically and not soil?...and why would anyone with out a medical card only be allowed to grow in soil and not hydro? That doesn't make any sense.





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Lol... I understand your confusion, it did me in for a little while. Let me spell it out.

Here anyone can grow in dirt in a legal state, 4 plants max per home. Hydroponics are banned.

So I asked if now with the law changes in IL can the people there grow hydroponics and the response was only people with medical cards. What was not added is those same people can also grow in dirt, and that no one else can grow legally at all.

It appears that with the legalisation model that has started being implemented in Australia recreational dispensaries are not going to be a thing. It's just that the cops and courts are going to stop wasting resources busting pot heads. Our pollies are far too puritanical to suddenly start letting us openly do what we want, they have to appear to be protecting us from ourselves. That would be outrageously hypocritical in the US so the whole thing is just being organised around money and corporate interests, if I'm reading the lay of the land correctly.


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26414434 - 01/03/20 02:03 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Those prices are insane. That's not legalization, that's keeping it illegal by keeping the price so high that no one is going to buy it. Again, this just looks like another way for the government to claim that legal weed is a failure and shut it down, when in reality they engineered it to be a failure by charging hundreds of dollars for 1/8.


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: nooneman]
    #26414452 - 01/03/20 02:11 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

I just got some good shit from the underground market for 7/g.... Fuck legal prices :rolleyes:


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: Northerner]
    #26415366 - 01/03/20 11:50 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

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Lol... I understand your confusion, it did me in for a little while. Let me spell it out.

Here anyone can grow in dirt in a legal state, 4 plants max per home. Hydroponics are banned.

So I asked if now with the law changes in IL can the people there grow hydroponics and the response was only people with medical cards. What was not added is those same people can also grow in dirt, and that no one else can grow legally at all.

It appears that with the legalisation model that has started being implemented in Australia recreational dispensaries are not going to be a thing. It's just that the cops and courts are going to stop wasting resources busting pot heads. Our pollies are far too puritanical to suddenly start letting us openly do what we want, they have to appear to be protecting us from ourselves. That would be outrageously hypocritical in the US so the whole thing is just being organised around money and corporate interests, if I'm reading the lay of the land correctly.




I'd guess that singling out hydroponic cultivation in law may just be a peculiarity of the Australian model. I've never heard of it elsewhere. Restrictions on indoor vs outdoor, visibility from public view, yeah. But who cares if it's hydroponic or soil? Is it a water use thing? Because otherwise I can't imagine what it would be about that would seem at all reasonable. Do they think it makes the weed super strong? :lol:


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: psi]
    #26415378 - 01/04/20 12:08 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

You can bring very strong plants to maturity in record time with hydroponics, it's the Australian way. Big brother doesn't like that.


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: Northerner]
    #26415406 - 01/04/20 12:46 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Sure, but don't people also do that with soil?



Here they almost did a height limit, thank fuck they didn't. Some provinces tried to ban home growing altogether. Part of the rationale was the humidity ruining houses with indoor growing. But don't worry about any other indoor plants you might be growing, your shower or your indoor pool.


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: nooneman]
    #26415421 - 01/04/20 01:07 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

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Those prices are insane. That's not legalization, that's keeping it illegal by keeping the price so high that no one is going to buy it. Again, this just looks like another way for the government to claim that legal weed is a failure and shut it down, when in reality they engineered it to be a failure by charging hundreds of dollars for 1/8.




Reminds me of when David Blunket, then Home Secretary , and the man resposible for such legislation, reclassified cannabis from a class 2 to a class 3 scheduled drug. Sadly, he incorporated into the legislation that anyone caught in possesion more than once (or twice I forget the number) would be given a choice of either going to court and receiving a criminal record, or 'getting help' with their 'drug problem'.
Obviously, most people went with the "help" choice, which the press then gleefully misrepresented by suggesting that there was massive increase in people seeking help with their "drug addiction" due to the super strong "skunk weed".

Or some such bollocks. :nonono:


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: psi]
    #26415486 - 01/04/20 03:27 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

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Sure, but don't people also do that with soil?

Here they almost did a height limit, thank fuck they didn't. Some provinces tried to ban home growing altogether. Part of the rationale was the humidity ruining houses with indoor growing. But don't worry about any other indoor plants you might be growing, your shower or your indoor pool.



I dunno about how you guys do it up there but it's standard to bring a clone to maturity in 9-10 weeks with hydros here. Including the flush you can harvest about 2 pound of chronic bud every 2 & 1\2 months with four plants, so it's way more than personal use. Hence the ban, especially as street prices for chronic are $10+ a gram.

Dunno what they're talking about with the humidity either, total and utter nonsense. Most people get a panda tent and air extraction if growing inside anyway. Otherwise the house will freaking stink to high heavens and the light will be suboptimal.


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: Northerner]
    #26415814 - 01/04/20 10:26 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Illinois only did it because we are so broke. IMO the high prices/taxes will keep the black market thriving.


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: Northerner]
    #26415856 - 01/04/20 11:07 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

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Sure, but don't people also do that with soil?

Here they almost did a height limit, thank fuck they didn't. Some provinces tried to ban home growing altogether. Part of the rationale was the humidity ruining houses with indoor growing. But don't worry about any other indoor plants you might be growing, your shower or your indoor pool.



I dunno about how you guys do it up there but it's standard to bring a clone to maturity in 9-10 weeks with hydros here. Including the flush you can harvest about 2 pound of chronic bud every 2 & 1\2 months with four plants, so it's way more than personal use. Hence the ban, especially as street prices for chronic are $10+ a gram.




And how would that compare with soil for the same strains? Or does everyone there just use hydroponics? I am no expert grower, but it seems like there are people out there getting impressive results with soil.


What exactly delineates a hydro grow from a soil grow? Plants in a medium that does not look like soil? Support medium is inert and nutrients are provided in liquid form? Automation?



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Dunno what they're talking about with the humidity either, total and utter nonsense. Most people get a panda tent and air extraction if growing inside anyway. Otherwise the house will freaking stink to high heavens and the light will be suboptimal.





They are imagining damage like you would see if you were using the entire house to grow and didn't care about damaging anything, and acting like that applies to just growing your 4 plants. But in the other provinces you can grow outside. It's all bullshit, potential damage is not the real reason. They want to pretend they have a captive market with the legal sales they control. I think the Quebec growing ban has now been struck down. Manitoba's may still exist.


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: psi]
    #26415982 - 01/04/20 12:42 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

I'm not an expert grower either, a former incarnation in this lifetime was really into it which is how I have some knowledge. This current version of me doesn't even smoke.
My experience was that hydroponics grows hella faster and with less fuss than soil as there's no dirt in the way of getting the nutrients to the roots of the plant. Nutrient timing and light timing in growing cycles are critical for making a good plant a fucking amazing plant. When one adds soil health to this equation it further complicates things, the topic of soil health is a massive one that's hard to master  No doubt people can grow great in soil, but it's unnecessary. Plants don't need soil they need the nutrients they extract from them. Getting perfect conditions in soil over a 2-3 month period is a big ask as the stuff is bioorganic and keeps changing of its own volition.
There's several types of hydroponics setups. Some with ebb and flow automation and some are with circulating automation. I used aeroponics, where the plant is rooted in volcanic rock in a basket, which is then mounted in the lid of a much larger pot. The roots hang freely in the pot which is filled with nutrient solution and air is pumped to an airstone in the bottom. So the plants roots exist floating freely in fizzing nutrient solution. Because this provides exactly what the plant needs whenever it needs it less energy is required building larger root systems also.
The next choice is deciding growing formation. Whether to tie the branches down so they grow out, which often leads to having to tie them up to support the weight, or using a sea of green setup where the plants get grown tied horizontally under mesh and you let the buds grow up through the mesh. There's other ways too. So many ways to grow killer dank.
Anyhow... this isn't the hydroponics 101 thread, just an explanation more how average people can grow like master growers with hydros, and thus why big brother this side doesn't like that.
I'm sure plenty of people grow in soil here, they don't need to grow these hydroponic monsters to cater for their own needs. It is quite a bit of extra work and gear, one probably wouldn't bother unless you were looking at capitalising on it, again, hence the laws.


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26415985 - 01/04/20 12:43 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Agreed. Although it will be worth it for edibles and carts, since you know what you're getting and it's a pain in the ass and quite smelly to make edibles at home.


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: koivth]
    #26415999 - 01/04/20 12:51 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

where do you buy the legal weed?  in CA they don't really sell it besides the dispensaries


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: koivth] * 1
    #26416002 - 01/04/20 12:54 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Soiless mix

Peat moss , perlite , vermiculite , dolomite limestone 

Pro mix with mycorrhizae in the white bale is cheap and good

It's a bout 30 bucks and you'll have more then enough dirt

It has no nuts but it's more about beneficial bacteria like this mycorrhizae and compost tea

That's how you get some smoke that tastes like air and smells / tastes super good


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: watermelon mon]
    #26416003 - 01/04/20 12:56 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Always getting compliments when I smoke them down

People want it but unfortunately I cant help them

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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: Northerner]
    #26416042 - 01/04/20 01:23 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

It sounds like that is just the grow style people are good at over there.




I guess my point regarding the distinction is, if the plants are in a medium that superficially is "soil" but is really more like an inert medium and it's otherwise a hydro setup, will that pass as a soil grow?


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: psi] * 1
    #26416059 - 01/04/20 01:35 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Could well be just a cultural preference for growing style. Aussies are pretty big pot heads like you guys too. Heck, things may have even changed with the people and the guvmint just doesn't realise yet either, after so many years of busting hydro grows.
I dunno about the definitions and implications for substrates, I don't even live in a state where it's legal. Pretty sure some people know this answer, I never asked it. Need to know basis I guess.
When it becomes legal here I'm gonna grow fucking Christmas Trees, not because I smoke, just because I can.  :smirk:


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: Northerner]
    #26416062 - 01/04/20 01:37 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

i do know where to buy kratom for like 120 capsules for like 50 $.  still havent been able to do it though... closest i guy to marijuana is hemp, unfortantely my medical pass hasnt gone through


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Re: 1st day of legal weed in illinois [Re: psi]
    #26416070 - 01/04/20 01:44 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

The whole thing is ridiculous.
I checked out the nearest dispensary yesterday.
$72 for an 1/8 (with only one strain available), very little odor or flavor, too dry, was harsh to smoke even in a water pipe, the label says 0.00% CBD (which I feel like weed needs CBD in it) and to top it all off there were 18 seeds in an eighth.  Clearly someone doesn't know what they're doing.

I won't be going back, it's all about state revenue anyway plus they want to scan your ID to track how much you're purchasing. 

In case anyone is still confused, you can grow 5 plants in IL if you have a medical card.  Other than that, no one is allowed but the licensed cultivation centers. 

Also, the sentences imposed for dealing outside of legal channels just got ramped up big time:
possession of over 30g is up to 1 year in prison
selling between 2.5 and 10g is 1 year in prison

Bottom line is, the plant isn't legal, it's just been made into a taxable commodity and the penalties for operating outside the law were ramped up in an effort to keep all the money involved with it taxable.

Here's a link to NORML.com where they list more penalties

https://norml.org/laws/item/illinois-penalties

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