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Girl ruined her outlook by taking 25-I for her first psychadelic experience.
#26410765 - 01/01/20 11:09 AM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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Title says it all... My wifes CNA co- worker was hangin out talkin about issues and is cool on smoke and isn't a square. She expressed some issues here and there and I enquired if she had ever takin mushrooms or had a psychadelic experience at all, and she with very decisive and dismissively said that it wasn't for her and that she took 25-I and it took her to a place she didn't like and it felt "gritty". So from that point representation of natural psychs was looked at through a filtered lense where it is likely she will never endulge anything like unless she can understand completely how differnt the experience is with something natural, and the time and everything else lined up for it. Not because of this single instance that is objectively subjective, but because just from experince and understanding, MOST chemical drugs psychadelic, medical, ect. Fall far short from the mark of natural derivatives. As a lesson to any beginner or someone on the fence about psychadelics, Nature will provide a veil of safty in your choices and journeys. I respect MDMA and LSD for the pure research that were put into those chemicals by many smart individuals, but at this point in my journeys and the climate at which im willing to direct people around me, they are still not things that I recomend and feel strongly that safety is in nature, and so is deeper and more meaningful trips in my opinion.
Mdma and lsd are "natural derivatives" but given their structure there is high risk for adulterated materials, final product or precursor. Hard trips and from heavy doses of natural psychadelics people mostly "come back from" their experiences. LSD has apparent potential long term risks... MDMA carries another set of well researched risks aswell. And imo are the leaders of psychadelic chemistry... extracted salts from natural derivatives carrying slightly less risks, but overall I think theres a key in the big 3. Mushrooms, cacti, and aya.
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Re: Girl ruined her outlook by taking 25-I for her first psychadelic experience. [Re: Grungeman17]
#26410801 - 01/01/20 11:41 AM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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Man fuck 25i. Out off all the psychedelics Iv done 25i was my least favorite. I completely agree with you about mushrooms, I only mess with natural psychedelics these days and couldn’t be happier. 2.5 grams of mushroom would probably change here outlook on things if she would ever do them.
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Re: Girl ruined her outlook by taking 25-I for her first psychadelic experience. [Re: SFS96]
#26410939 - 01/01/20 01:22 PM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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Has it ever occurred to you that it could be impossible to distinguish supposed acid tabs, gel or not, from one another without a reagent kit?
Not many people should know what the intoxication is like to begin with. I once took acid and the visual stage of it was alien like psilocybin, but there was a “magical” or “mystic” twist to it like mushrooms. But, it also had a mechanical or robot twist to it like the DMT machine elf or spaceship part, but it was way different from both.
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Re: Girl ruined her outlook by taking 25-I for her first psychadelic experience. [Re: Blabble40]
#26410978 - 01/01/20 01:40 PM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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2c-x and all derivatives like the 25-nbs are fucking garbage
They're what like smoking weed compared to JWH sprayed on catnip or any other gas station spice.
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Re: Girl ruined her outlook by taking 25-I for her first psychadelic experience. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26411153 - 01/01/20 03:47 PM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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Quote:
bodhisatta said: 2c-x and all derivatives like the 25-nbs are fucking garbage
They're what like smoking weed compared to JWH sprayed on catnip or any other gas station spice.
such a dirty drug... I remember a friend fucking around with 25-i instead of lsd because how much cheaper it was in comparison..... He learnt his lesson when he almost died and had 2 be on life support for a month....
Shit shuts down your organs quick smart. dont fuck with shitty drugs.
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Re: Girl ruined her outlook by taking 25-I for her first psychadelic experience. [Re: Blazer420]
#26411159 - 01/01/20 03:52 PM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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2cb was ffing incredible ime.
Still got some for a special occasion.
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Re: Girl ruined her outlook by taking 25-I for her first psychadelic experience. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26411204 - 01/01/20 04:31 PM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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I really like 2c-b and on the occasions I tried other 2c-x's and 25-x's I enjoyed them too. Though I did go into the these things pretty experienced with other drugs. I've never had the balls to eat do-x's, and I'm getting too old now so I doubt I ever will. Cactus, Aya and mushies have produced my most difficult trips that don't come near my most difficult experiences with LSD or other substances. Real head benders that have taken a long time to integrate from.
So I don't really subscribe to the notion that chems are more difficult to navigate than natural psychedelics. Though the consequences of overdose can definitely be more severe.
I'm not saying you're wrong OP, just presenting a different viewpoint. Maybe your friend just isn't good with psychs? They just don't gel with some personality types. A single experience has been enough for many people to know psychs aren't the thing for them, not uncommon at all.
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Re: Girl ruined her outlook by taking 25-I for her first psychadelic experience. [Re: Northerner]
#26412158 - 01/02/20 09:20 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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What im simply saying is this, people generally recover from natural psychadelic experineces well, when ypu take chemicals you are in essence spinning the wheel wheather it be if you know what you got and set out to be a hero or you simply don't k ow what your fucking with. The avenue of "psychs just don't set well with some". Doesn't reall apply when your first indulgance is a gritty research chemical. Im sure there have been some "good times" or experiences on some of these drugs but to the general person these drugs are not going to do good things for them. It's just not, we get alot of heroes nay sayers, debunkers, users, all with there own opinion. But from physical standpoint and vast mental stand point, most chemical drugs hinder the progress of natural psychadelic research in many fors and falicies.
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Re: Girl ruined her outlook by taking 25-I for her first psychadelic experience. [Re: Grungeman17]
#26412203 - 01/02/20 09:43 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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The only truly psychologically devastating/damaging trip I've had was when taking acid. Who's to say whether that blotter was actually LSD or not. Often, the effects from one source to the next were noticeably different... that could have easily just been current state of mind, physiology, etc. but it also could have just as easily been paper dipped in some random dumpster juice. I was never big on synthetics, but that one experience completely shut the door on them for me.
2cb was commonly floating around my area for a good while there. Many of my friends experienced with hallucinogens permanently scarred their worldview after just one dose... again, anecdotal, but convincing enough for me. To this day, at least a decade later, they still say they feel like they're looking at the world through a lens distorted by the effect of that substance.
Plants have given me rough times, too. But it's more apparent that it's just me giving me a rough time than the substance. Synthetic substances seem to have a way about causing their own mischief, inevitable of user error.
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Re: Girl ruined her outlook by taking 25-I for her first psychadelic experience. [Re: footpath]
#26412210 - 01/02/20 09:46 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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My friends ex girlfriend did some 2c-? And now she lives with her parents and is basically retarded. And before the psychedelic apologists come in and say well it must have been adulterated other people did the same and were unscathed. She went from smart to playing with dolls and taking pictures of herself naked which she had never done
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Re: Girl ruined her outlook by taking 25-I for her first psychadelic experience. [Re: bodhisatta]
#26412215 - 01/02/20 09:52 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Yeah. Fuck that. That's way too much of a gamble when you can really easily just grow a mushroom or make tea out of some roots. I'm glad no one I knew/know had anything close to that.
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Re: Girl ruined her outlook by taking 25-I for her first psychadelic experience. [Re: footpath] 1
#26412675 - 01/02/20 02:36 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Overdose on man made chemical psychedelics can be so ugly. I know perma-fucked people as well. There were a lot of 25-x overdose victims floating around for a while looking for help. I also know a mushroom casualty. Much less common, but still a reality. Hell, I know a couple of DMT casualties too.
Would be nice if your friend could face a mushy or cactus dose with good people. Expanding viewpoints are generally better rather than worse. Might have an anxiety reaction though if her mind is set against them already.
I dunno guys. I find it hard to tar whole classes of compounds based on source. I'm not convinced, though I get where you're coming from.
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Re: Girl ruined her outlook by taking 25-I for her first psychadelic experience. [Re: Northerner]
#26412783 - 01/02/20 03:32 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Yeah I don't think it's a steadfast categorization. I just think it's not really worth the gamble, especially in the fashion that I would dose - just on 'blotter acid'. Anyone's guess as to what was on the paper, who made it, and how competently those people could make what they thought they were trying for. Same with the '2cb' that was going around. You can't assuredly know that what your source is calling it is what it actually is. Margin of error is innumerably higher than a mushroom or some ayahuasca. Which, yeah, can also send people to oblivion. But, as you said, much less common.
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Re: Girl ruined her outlook by taking 25-I for her first psychadelic experience. [Re: footpath]
#26412998 - 01/02/20 05:59 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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I agree, footpath, the categorization isn't quite right. But you make very good points. If you are sitting there with mushrooms and have some experience, you are 99.99% sure you are taking psilocybin. With some random chemical, most people don't have the lab equipment to verify, so it is a shrug and hope as to what it really is. A lot of uncertainty.
Now I love nature and believe in symbiotic relationships between different species. But the "natural = good" idea is highly flawed. There are an extremely high number of plants and fungi that are deadly if ingested. Others are poisonous and will cause direct damage to the organs. Just because something is alive and grows does not mean it is not potentially harmful. Other plants, even foods we eat, have to be prepared or treated in a certain way to remove harmful components.
Even then there are drugs like datura, while natural and with a long history or usage in various cultures, is still poisonous and must be dealt with extreme caution.
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Re: Girl ruined her outlook by taking 25-I for her first psychadelic experience. [Re: InfiniteDreams]
#26413054 - 01/02/20 06:34 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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For sure. I'm not in denial about the potential threat that the natural world can offer. But, if you look at it in terms of RC's, we've been R'ing those natural things for hundreds or thousands of years longer and have found a decent way to wield them... and many upon many already died in the process of sorting out which ones are unwieldy and by what means.
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