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How much spawn sufficient for shoebox?
    #26410638 - 01/01/20 09:04 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

How much spawn is sufficient enough for a good grow in a shoebox? I have one jar that is 2/3 of the way full, so I guess that's a little less than one quart of grain spawn. Or do I need much more?


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: DNA_Trip]
    #26410640 - 01/01/20 09:06 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I do a quart per quart of substrate


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: DNA_Trip]
    #26410642 - 01/01/20 09:07 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

What's the volume of substrate you plan on putting into the shoe box? That's really you're determining factor, that and what ratio you want to use. I usually shoot for 2 to 1 but I've gotten away with 4 to 1 substrate to spawn


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: Randalf the Grey] * 1
    #26410654 - 01/01/20 09:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

2 quarts of spawn and 2 quarts of substrate if you're just putting a lid on it

The shoeboxes are 6 quarts so if you wanted to do a dub tub you could do 3 quarts of sub and 3 quarts of spawn and clip the tubs together, and the split between the tubs would be at substrate level which would be ideal for FAE


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: Randalf the Grey]
    #26410665 - 01/01/20 09:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not sure, I was just going to use Damien's 50/50 coir tek, fill it up to to about 3 inches, and then use one jar of grain spawn to mix with it, and throw out whatever bulk substrate is left. I know I will have a lot left over, but that's the tek I'm going to follow for my verm/coir substrate.  What's the better way to do it? I'm not sure of the exact ratio.


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: DNA_Trip]
    #26410674 - 01/01/20 09:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Have you already made the sub? How much coir did you start with?
One brick of coir hydrates to 8qts. So if you used a full brick with that Tek you will have 16qt of sub, which is indeed a lot.
Half a brick with this Tek would yeild 8qts sub.
Quarter brick with this Tek yeilds 4qts sub.
Figure out how much total you have then fill shoebox as you would for spawning and see what you have left.
If starting with 8qt sub and you only use roughly a quarter of the bucket (or whatever it is in) then you have 2 qts of sub in each shoebox.
From there, it's up to you really. if you only have one quart, and it's already ready to go and you don't have time to wait for more spawn, then just go ahead and use one quart in your shoe box. If you have enough spawn to do a one-to-one ratio, that is two quarts of Spawn to 2 quarts of sub, you can go that route. Seems a lot of people like a 1:1 ratio of spawn: sub but I usually do 1:2 without issues.


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: Diego]
    #26410683 - 01/01/20 09:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I do a quart per quart of substrate




1:1 ratio is my fav too


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: YogiBear]
    #26410696 - 01/01/20 10:07 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I do a quart per quart of substrate




1:1 ratio is my fav too




Yeah seeing as the price of wbs from a seed supply store is by far cheaper that coir its more cost efficient. I like the faster colonization speed also


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: Randalf the Grey]
    #26410707 - 01/01/20 10:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

No I haven’t made it yet, just wanting to get prepared in the best way to maximize my shoebox grow with the one jar of spawn I have. Yes I was going to use a full 650 gram brick of coir like the tek says, mix some verm, and fill the shoebox to 3 inches and mix my jar in. So you’re saying only use half of the brick and half of the verm? I don’t care about having too much bulk substrate left over and thrown away, as long as it’s made correctly to mix with my one jar of grain spawn. Is that too much to mix with my one jar? I’m not using the full thing, only enough to fill up to 3 inches and then sprinkle some on top after mixing. What ratio does that come out to? If I just did one quart of bulk substrate that would barely fill the box up right? Don’t you need it between 3 and 4 inches?


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: YogiBear]
    #26410708 - 01/01/20 10:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I normally use one myco quart and then enough sub to fill it up to the line on the shoebox. Usually like two inches from the top I think.

Just from eyeballing it in the past I’d guess it’s 1.5 quarts of coir.

Usually colonized in 5-7 days and im not trying to stretch my spawn so saving half a week of colonization time is well worth it.


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26410710 - 01/01/20 10:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

A quarter brick of coir to a shoebox is what the tek I started with said.

You’ll waste a lot of coir making a brick per box.


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26410715 - 01/01/20 10:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I've done 2:1 before for experiments and even 3:1 before with coco


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26410716 - 01/01/20 10:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Depend on dimensions of your box. Lxwxdepth (3inches) would give you a volume. I'm saying don't change the Tek. If it says 50\50 mix than do that. Just adjust amounts to what you need. I know you say you don't care, but the way it sounds, you'll be throwing away almost 90% of sub and that is just wasteful and unnecessary.
A 50\50 mix is a 1:1 mix. 8 qts coir:8qts verm. But if you only need 2qts of sub then do 1qt coir:1qt verm.

However, if you only have 1qt of spawn then you are looking at 1-2 qts of sub max.
1qt spawn:1qt sub is 1:1
1qt spawn:2qt sub is 1:2
...and so on and so forth. Again, dimensions of your box with determine the depth of sub in inches but it sounds like spawn in your limiting factor. I would suggest not making more the 2qts total of sub. :2cents:


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: Randalf the Grey]
    #26410755 - 01/01/20 11:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

If I make 2 quarts sub max, hopefully that will fill up to 3 inches. I hear 3 to 4 inches is the best depth, so will one or two quarts sub fill that? It seems like that's barely enough.


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: DNA_Trip]
    #26410763 - 01/01/20 11:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Again, depends on dimensions of your box. If you want to get a rough idea, fill the box with water to the depth that you want, then pour that water into a measuring cup. That is the volume needed to fill that box to that depth. Your sub is much less compact or dense than water so 2qts of sub will fill the box more than 2qts of water but it will give you a rough idea.


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: Randalf the Grey]
    #26410874 - 01/01/20 12:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I use 1 jar of grain and then throw some coir at it. Probably like 2-1 coir to grain. Seems wasteful to me to use more than 1 qt.

This is one myco qt of spawn with enough coir to make it look right.



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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: Bph]
    #26410901 - 01/01/20 12:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Nice, I might just do that. About how much depth does 2 quarts usually get you in that size? I’m using a 6 or 8 quart shoebox like you are. Does the 2 quarts of coir give you a 3 to 4 inch depth?


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: DNA_Trip]
    #26410952 - 01/01/20 01:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The depth isn’t super important if it’s shallower you’ll just need to dunk it longer after the first flush. There’s a picture somewhere of a huge shroom growing in a jar with with like 1/8 inch of sub it looks like.

I’ve had five inch subs and one inch ones and never really noticed much difference besides needing more water after a flush.


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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26410955 - 01/01/20 01:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I normally use one myco quart and then enough sub to fill it up to the line on the shoebox. Usually like two inches from the top I think.

Just from eyeballing it in the past I’d guess it’s 1.5 quarts of coir.

Usually colonized in 5-7 days and im not trying to stretch my spawn so saving half a week of colonization time is well worth it.




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Re: How much spawn sufficient for shoebox? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26411053 - 01/01/20 02:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

How much verm should you mix with just one or two quarts of coir then?


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