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Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe?-Hypholoma marginatum
    #26406111 - 12/29/19 10:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Goodmorning folks !
I have some interesting mushrooms I’m trying to ID here south of Portland Oregon.  I’ve watched them grow for the past month (December) I was immediately attracted to them due to their Carmel Caps, white stems shape and robust nature. I thought they might be a Psilocybe I haven’t seen growing , but after seeing chocalate brown spore prints on some caps , and did not see any blue bruising I wasn’t so sure that they were Psilocybe. Then today I was back in the area and saw some MUCH darker spore prints on a few caps so I’m not so sure. I’m a bit color challenged so brown , purple brown and black are very hard for me to distinguish.

They are growing in Bark chips in a cultivated garden, December in the PNW

Gills: are white and darken when they begin to drop spores , spores are chocolate brown to dark brown/black

Stem:
White when young  , robust

Cap: caramel when most , straw when dry ,  hygrophanous, convex to concave spending on age for 1/4 inch - 2 inches depending on age

Spore print color: young and small specimens -chocolate brown
large mature specimens have dark brown- to black prints


Bruising: none

Im sorry about the pics being sideways trying to figure out how ti correct that






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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26406130 - 12/29/19 11:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)



Official Prints on the way


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26406172 - 12/29/19 11:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Your photos are too small and too blurry to be able to make a good id, although the one that shows the stem is definitely not a Psilocybe. You are going to need to post up better pics to identify the others.


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Gravity]
    #26406174 - 12/29/19 11:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks, I just upped the image size, I hope that helps


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26406252 - 12/29/19 12:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You may have a mixed collection AND your in situ photos are still too small. 

Psilocybe mushrooms will have white stems.  Your in situ photos appear to show white stems.  But then your photo of the 3 on the table appear to have dark brown stems.

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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26406328 - 12/29/19 01:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Gravity]
    #26406335 - 12/29/19 01:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I don’t think I have a mixed collection, though it is possible , the stems are white when young and I find the Azures and Cyans I regularly pick and grow in my garden start off with white stems that often darken and  turn black as they age but your right these mushrooms stems darken earlier than Azures for example


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26406464 - 12/29/19 02:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe something like pholiota???


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: azramb]
    #26406648 - 12/29/19 05:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

P. vernalis or P. mutablils look close


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26406720 - 12/29/19 06:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Psilocybe


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26406724 - 12/29/19 06:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
Psilocybe



Or that lol.


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26407659 - 12/30/19 11:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
Psilocybe



Thank you for taking a look :smile:

Oviods maybe?


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26407754 - 12/30/19 12:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe, check the cystidia shape with a microscope at 400x.


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26407797 - 12/30/19 01:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you!


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26408447 - 12/30/19 08:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

More pics for further opinions or thoughts , if I can get a print under a microscope I’ll update the thread.



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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26408612 - 12/30/19 11:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hypholoma marginatum


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: pyrolight]
    #26408619 - 12/30/19 11:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Expounding on Alan's idea of Psilocybe, could it be P. cyanofibrillosa?


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Doug295]
    #26408676 - 12/31/19 01:32 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Expounding on Alan's idea of Psilocybe, could it be P. cyanofibrillosa?





It's a bit too far south for that - as pyrolight said, it's Hypholoma marginatum.


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26409097 - 12/31/19 10:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you gentlemen,
When I looked up Hypholoma Marginatum the first description  I found started with:

" A rarely found mushroom , found in evergreen forests of England and Europe growing in pine needles"

I thought how unlikely it could be the correct ID based on that alone. Then I looked at the Mushroom Observer and the west coast of the U.S. is FULL of observations !

That explains the Psilocybe like spore print and other macroscopic similarities to Psilocybe but the complete lack of bruising. Interestingly they taste a bit similar to Psilocybe ...(yes I spit out the bit I chewed). The stems do have a very distinct pattern.

Im ordering a microscope, this mushroom has shown me that I need to get to the next level in my ID tools


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26410337 - 01/01/20 02:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hypholoma marginatum. :ooo::thumbdown::eek:

https://www.first-nature.com/fungi/hypholoma-marginatum.php


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Alan Rockefeller said:
Psilocybe




Alan, was this a mistake? Why would you post Psilocybe on a Hypholoma?
The majority of training mushroom hunters rely on your identifications & it totally shook up my heartstrings just now seeing you MISIDENTIFY. :n00bslayer:

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Hypholoma marginatum




Thank you pyrolight for the correct ID.:rolleyes:
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