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This decade will humble you
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For those of you with high hopes about peace and prosperity this decade, let me assure you, God will humble you.
How much disappointment it will take before you submit is entirely up to you, but there won't be any extravagant psychedelic rennaisance to save you from Matthew, Mark and John.
The best coarse of action is to take hold of the garmet of a Jewish man and help him follow the Torah.
It's the only way you're going to find relief from the test that is to come.
Edited by Hartford (01/01/20 12:36 AM)
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Re: This decade will humble you [Re: Hartford] 1
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Let us be kind in our promotion of Judaism. That’s what you are after, right? Weird post, kind of hard to follow...going to assume that’s where you’re coming from. IN WHICH CASE:
1) You cannot force anyone to believe anything. 2) You certainly cannot SCARE them into believing anything. 3) As a Jew, I reject this post due to its condescending, evangelical tone. You shouldn’t be posting anything like this. Go and study the Torah for yourself. You apparently need to! Learn to do mitzvah. You are certainly not here. Pretty much the opposite.
Rubbish.
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Re: This decade will humble you [Re: Psilotyl]
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Hello looks like some open minded people here, I mean no disrespect to anyone and I accept we all have different views which is beautifully perfect and what leads to further learning(us learning) ha.
My hopes are created by me, prosperity is created by us the humans.
What do you mean I will be disappointed with life? Until I submit myself as a jew? The Christians and Muslims say that too along with many other religions. (like a fierce recruiting tactic, only we can save you from eternal suffering)
The literal hardest part of believing any of the faiths is my complete lack of human honesty and trust.... Humans wrote these books... Humans can be influenced easily(drugs, money, power).
Hard to believe the story's are even real, then you have all those humans that could have just made up anything in their mind and added it to the book because it sounded cool or they wanted people to live in a certain way that benefits the powerful.
From my experience story's grow arms and legs and even a second or third head sometimes over the span of time... Gossip and trust is a powerful thing people seem to believe things so damn easily just because someone they trusted told them so
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Re: This decade will humble you [Re: Psilotyl]
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Psilotyl said: Let us be kind in our promotion of Judaism. That’s what you are after, right? Weird post, kind of hard to follow...going to assume that’s where you’re coming from. IN WHICH CASE:
1) You cannot force anyone to believe anything. 2) You certainly cannot SCARE them into believing anything. 3) As a Jew, I reject this post due to its condescending, evangelical tone. You shouldn’t be posting anything like this. Go and study the Torah for yourself. You apparently need to! Learn to do mitzvah. You are certainly not here. Pretty much the opposite.
Rubbish.
lol weird I've never seen you post in this forum before and you get the first reply on the first thread about Judaism that's been posted in here in what seems like a long time
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Re: This decade will humble you [Re: Kmacmo]
#26410819 - 01/01/20 11:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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How are Mathew, Mark and John a threat? Why would one need to be saved from them?
There aren't any Jews around my neck of the woods, but if I was to take hold of the garment of a Jewish man, I would expect him to not like that very much and maybe call the police.
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Re: This decade will humble you [Re: JohnRainy]
#26410829 - 01/01/20 12:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mathew, Mark and John are New Testament authors, correct me if am wrong but I did think practicing Jews arent down with the New Testament.
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Re: This decade will humble you [Re: JohnRainy]
#26410859 - 01/01/20 12:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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A Jew who is familiar with Zechariah 8:23 will not be offended.
It reads, "Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you."
As for practicing Jews not observing the New Testament, some do, some don't. The ones that do are the ones that make the best companions.
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Re: This decade will humble you [Re: Kmacmo]
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Kmacmo said: Hello looks like some open minded people here, I mean no disrespect to anyone and I accept we all have different views which is beautifully perfect and what leads to further learning(us learning) ha.
My hopes are created by me, prosperity is created by us the humans.
What do you mean I will be disappointed with life? Until I submit myself as a jew? The Christians and Muslims say that too along with many other religions. (like a fierce recruiting tactic, only we can save you from eternal suffering)
The literal hardest part of believing any of the faiths is my complete lack of human honesty and trust.... Humans wrote these books... Humans can be influenced easily(drugs, money, power).
Hard to believe the story's are even real, then you have all those humans that could have just made up anything in their mind and added it to the book because it sounded cool or they wanted people to live in a certain way that benefits the powerful.
From my experience story's grow arms and legs and even a second or third head sometimes over the span of time... Gossip and trust is a powerful thing people seem to believe things so damn easily just because someone they trusted told them so
I understand where you are coming from.
The interesting thing that sets Reform Judaism apart is it that it is far less dogmatic than Christianity & Islam. It is very free flowing. Unlike in Christianity and Islam where one is obliged simply to follow along, requiring this odd and unreasonable thing that you believe facets of the dogma that you don’t - to fake it by faith - Jews are not only encouraged to develop their own unique, special covenant with God, we are required to.
The very word “Yisrael”, effectively “Israel”, means to “wrestle with God.” Each Jew is called and required to figure what kind of Jew they are, will be, and you have to search deep and study hard - wrestle with it - to find it.
We honor the day of rest (Shabbat), feasts, and try to preform mitzvah (good deeds), or most us do these things, but we each do whatever we do or not do in accordance to our own special way of loving and honoring Hashem (God) as we know him.
Coming to know Jah can happen in many ways. I found YHWH through the mushroom, which I believe to be yet another extension of his immense love for the earth and its people. Coming to know Jah is also based on what flourishes within us through study and one’s observance.
While of course there are rules, like the Ten Commandments, these are gifts of the Lord given unto us so as to aid our souls in growth so that we may better know him, not dogmatic rules simply to be followed. When are souls are closer to purity and piety we can better communicate with him and have him in our lives than when we behave badly.
To not kill or steal brings forth a better live on earth, something Judiasm is traditionally MUCH more preoccupied with than the other monotheistic religions - especially “old-time” Judiasm, pre-2nd century BC. Before this time, Judaism had no notion whatsoever of the afterlife. Heaven was simply where God was. The idea of being good simply for some heavenly reward in the afterlife is not so entrenched in Judaism. This is largely a Christian and Islamic tradition of theology.
I hope you understand where I am coming from! Judaism is such a rich tradition, with so many possible paths, infinite ones. It is truly something beautiful, or so I have found. It’s all up to us though. We are compelled to do nothing. All is a result of free will.
I’ll ramble on, lol. I’m very much an independent minded person and naturally skeptical. I was an atheist for the first 30 years of my life. El Roi (“the God who see me”) revealed himself to me in the afterglow of a mushroom trip. I have found Judaism to since then to be a very enriching, very powerful thing. I could say much more but will leave it at that.
A great book if you find any of this compelling, but scripture initially hard to swallow as you have said, is “Living Judiasm” by Rabbi Wayne Dosick. It was a good guide for me early on. There are others...but I need to stop writing 😂
Shalom! And Happy 2020
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Re: This decade will humble you [Re: yeah]
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Psilotyl said: Let us be kind in our promotion of Judaism. That’s what you are after, right? Weird post, kind of hard to follow...going to assume that’s where you’re coming from. IN WHICH CASE:
1) You cannot force anyone to believe anything. 2) You certainly cannot SCARE them into believing anything. 3) As a Jew, I reject this post due to its condescending, evangelical tone. You shouldn’t be posting anything like this. Go and study the Torah for yourself. You apparently need to! Learn to do mitzvah. You are certainly not here. Pretty much the opposite.
Rubbish.
lol weird I've never seen you post in this forum before and you get the first reply on the first thread about Judaism that's been posted in here in what seems like a long time
I find it weird too because I literally have no idea how I ended up on this thread. I think I clicked it on accident via the Shroomery homepage. I honestly didn’t even know this sub-forum existed on here until now.
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Re: This decade will humble you [Re: Hartford] 1
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Hartford said: A Jew who is familiar with Zechariah 8:23 will not be offended.
It reads, "Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you."
As for practicing Jews not observing the New Testament, some do, some don't. The ones that do are the ones that make the best companions.
I understand you better after reading your passage. Perhaps the Lord is with you. I would simply suggest to you in the spirit of these passages I will leave you, from a few of my favorite Sages, to refrain from using fear blatantly as a tool. As Jews, we are of course required to judge - we walk the fine line between judgement and love constantly. I would argue it is more effective to get others listening to us by simply presenting the information, through Hashem’s bountiful love, and let others decide for themselves what they think.
“Shimon the Righteous was accustomed to say: ‘The world is based on three things - on the Torah, on the service of God, and upon acts of loving-kindness.’” (Pirkei Avot 1:2)
“Hillel says: ‘Be among the disciples of Aaron, loving peace and pursuing peace, loving people and bringing them closer to the Torah.’” (Pirkei Avot 1:12)
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Re: This decade will humble you [Re: Psilotyl]
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So, every generation believes that it is the chosen one. Every generation thinks it's the last. Curious how you came to be enlightened as to this prophecy?
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Re: This decade will humble you [Re: zenarrow]
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Coincidentally "zenarrow" reminds me of a dream I had after comparing myself to a tall poppy. In the dream a snake with a white body and a black head shoots across the corridor like an arrow in what seems like a monastary setting resulting in a considerable reduction in my stature.
The next day (Jan 1) I lost my internet connection and I wondered if wishing someone a Happy New Year (or Many Happy Returns) can be a factor in self limitation if in fact people's investments of their time do in fact tend to limit each other. That being the case , you wouldn't want to wish me 'happy returns'; thus signifying the ease in which we could be humbled by our good intention. (The relationship to your username is coincidental)
Since making this post I dreamed I was a small bruised parrot.
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Re: This decade will humble you [Re: Psilotyl]
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Hartford said: For those of you with high hopes about peace and prosperity this decade, let me assure you, God will humble you.
How much disappointment it will take before you submit is entirely up to you, but there won't be any extravagant psychedelic rennaisance to save you from Matthew, Mark and John.
One of the many groups who will have it rough, are those adherents of dogmatic and incorrect framings caste by man-made religions. For, they are one of several groups who believe they have all of the answers, are incapable of seeing faults within their theoretical framing of the world, and believe they are on the singular and correct path.
The cycles of time and truth spare no man or ideology. What is truth and reality are eventually revealed. All things including religion yield to eventual truth. There is never peace/prosperity at the beginning/end of an age. The environment of earth is humbling/suffer-able as is the random/chaotic universe. That is the force/condition we as humans live in. On its on, it is sufficiently explain. There is no need to anthropomorphize the complex forces at play into a deity's personal agenda. This was the Dogma of old.
I submit and yield to truth. Truth is ever discoverable, refineable, and evolving with our increased understanding. No matter where you go there you are and thus you must put in work and labor to become better. Drugs will never do this for you. They can serve to 'wake you up' or further put you to sleep. Philosophers/Mystics/shamans/prophets of the past indulged as do many still presently today.
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Hartford said: The best coarse of action is to take hold of the garmet of a Jewish man and help him follow the Torah. It's the only way you're going to find relief from the test that is to come.
 Dear God man...
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Psilotyl said: 3) As a Jew, I reject this post due to its condescending, evangelical tone. You shouldn’t be posting anything like this. Go and study the Torah for yourself. You apparently need to! Learn to do mitzvah. You are certainly not here. Pretty much the opposite. Rubbish.
Based! Tbqh, I hold all religion to be theoretical theology/spirituality. That being said, In relation to Christianity/Judiasm. I wasn't surprising for me to learn after having actually studied/read on both that Judaism has far more sound/mature theology/spirituality. Whereas mainstream Christianity completely jumps the shark and almost reads like Judiasm for kids, Judiasm being a more original 'fork' doesn't read as such. Evangelicals are just cringe worthy.. Almost like a kid who won't let go of mum's gown. What I discovered to be most hilarious was Christianity's broad misinterpretation of Lucifer and revelations. Whereas Judaism maintains Lucifer as an abstraction present in the Universe which allows for our refinement and Revelations as just the end of a cycle and beginning of a new one, you have the popular childish christian interpretation that there's some boggie man trying to drag you off to hell in some apocalyptic nightmare end of the world if you aren't a good little boy.
One of the dogmas and revelations of this age will be how much of a farce a large portion of this religious populous thought is, no doubt it will be hell to some who bought into this foolishness for even as the world will have a catalyst to move beyond it, they will double down in a new age on the idiocy of a prior...
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Re: This decade will humble you [Re: Hartford]
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I don't think so. God gave up on me, and im not blaming Him.
But.. I already got relief
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Re: This decade will humble you [Re: r00tcmplx] 1
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Psilotyl said: 3) As a Jew, I reject this post due to its condescending, evangelical tone. You shouldn’t be posting anything like this. Go and study the Torah for yourself. You apparently need to! Learn to do mitzvah. You are certainly not here. Pretty much the opposite. Rubbish.
Based! Tbqh, I hold all religion to be theoretical theology/spirituality. That being said, In relation to Christianity/Judiasm. I wasn't surprising for me to learn after having actually studied/read on both that Judaism has far more sound/mature theology/spirituality. Whereas mainstream Christianity completely jumps the shark and almost reads like Judiasm for kids, Judiasm being a more original 'fork' doesn't read as such. Evangelicals are just cringe worthy.. Almost like a kid who won't let go of mum's gown. What I discovered to be most hilarious was Christianity's broad misinterpretation of Lucifer and revelations. Whereas Judaism maintains Lucifer as an abstraction present in the Universe which allows for our refinement and Revelations as just the end of a cycle and beginning of a new one, you have the popular childish christian interpretation that there's some boggie man trying to drag you off to hell in some apocalyptic nightmare end of the world if you aren't a good little boy.
One of the dogmas and revelations of this age will be how much of a farce a large portion of this religious populous thought is, no doubt it will be hell to some who bought into this foolishness for even as the world will have a catalyst to move beyond it, they will double down in a new age on the idiocy of a prior...
You are correct that the threat of Hell is strictly Christian business. & Evangelical Christianity strikes me as a desperate attempt at fantasy by those in spiritual or literal poverty. I see it as potentially dangerous.
In Judaism, it’s simple - you devote yourself to YHWH, and be the best person you can possibly be. In fact, Jewish eschatology isn’t concerned with Lucifer at all. Satan/any other forms of temptation are just necessary vehicles of God, and certainly not some converse force of ultimate evil working against Him.
Judiasm is completely absent of the notions “eternal damnation” or “going to heaven.” These are entirely Christian ideas. The afterlife is not important (literally is not apart of the Torah). It’s what you do in this life, with this life, and for this life that matters and has consequences.
The souls of the wicked go Shoel, the souls of the righteous go to Shoel. What “Shoel” is varies from Jew to Jew and from tradition to tradition because again, this kind of stuff isn’t really given a lot of attention in the Torah or even Tanakh. & Heaven is just where God is.
Ideas about the souls of the righteous dead being resurrected during the “Messianic Age” (a time of perfect peace and paradise on earth...repeat on. earth. lol) vary within Judaism. That stuff is basically out of our realm of knowledge as far as I see it, but many do believe in this strongly. The Messianic Age is what Judiasm strives for, individually and collectively. Some believe it will be brought to pass by a single person (Orthodox) others that it will happen collectively in response to humanity being refined and good (makes literal sense to me).
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One of the many groups who will have it rough, are those adherents of dogmatic and incorrect framings caste by man-made religions. For, they are one of several groups who believe they have all of the answers, are incapable of seeing faults within their theoretical framing of the world, and believe they are on the singular and correct path.
If we include "scientific determinism" with the religious dogmatic thinking, I agree.
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Re: This decade will humble you [Re: Psilotyl]
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Psilotyl said: 3) As a Jew, I reject this post due to its condescending, evangelical tone. You shouldn’t be posting anything like this. Go and study the Torah for yourself. You apparently need to! Learn to do mitzvah. You are certainly not here. Pretty much the opposite. Rubbish.
Based! Tbqh, I hold all religion to be theoretical theology/spirituality. That being said, In relation to Christianity/Judiasm. I wasn't surprising for me to learn after having actually studied/read on both that Judaism has far more sound/mature theology/spirituality. Whereas mainstream Christianity completely jumps the shark and almost reads like Judiasm for kids, Judiasm being a more original 'fork' doesn't read as such. Evangelicals are just cringe worthy.. Almost like a kid who won't let go of mum's gown. What I discovered to be most hilarious was Christianity's broad misinterpretation of Lucifer and revelations. Whereas Judaism maintains Lucifer as an abstraction present in the Universe which allows for our refinement and Revelations as just the end of a cycle and beginning of a new one, you have the popular childish christian interpretation that there's some boggie man trying to drag you off to hell in some apocalyptic nightmare end of the world if you aren't a good little boy.
One of the dogmas and revelations of this age will be how much of a farce a large portion of this religious populous thought is, no doubt it will be hell to some who bought into this foolishness for even as the world will have a catalyst to move beyond it, they will double down in a new age on the idiocy of a prior...
You are correct that the threat of Hell is strictly Christian business. & Evangelical Christianity strikes me as a desperate attempt at fantasy by those in spiritual or literal poverty. I see it as potentially dangerous.
In Judaism, it’s simple - you devote yourself to YHWH, and be the best person you can possibly be. In fact, Jewish eschatology isn’t concerned with Lucifer at all. Satan/any other forms of temptation are just necessary vehicles of God, and certainly not some converse force of ultimate evil working against Him.
Judiasm is completely absent of the notions “eternal damnation” or “going to heaven.” These are entirely Christian ideas. The afterlife is not important (literally is not apart of the Torah). It’s what you do in this life, with this life, and for this life that matters and has consequences.
The souls of the wicked go Shoel, the souls of the righteous go to Shoel. What “Shoel” is varies from Jew to Jew and from tradition to tradition because again, this kind of stuff isn’t really given a lot of attention in the Torah or even Tanakh. & Heaven is just where God is.
Ideas about the souls of the righteous dead being resurrected during the “Messianic Age” (a time of perfect peace and paradise on earth...repeat on. earth. lol) vary within Judaism. That stuff is basically out of our realm of knowledge as far as I see it, but many do believe in this strongly. The Messianic Age is what Judiasm strives for, individually and collectively. Some believe it will be brought to pass by a single person (Orthodox) others that it will happen collectively in response to humanity being refined and good (makes literal sense to me).
Excellent. This was my take upon covering it myself. I thought it was a pretty mature/spiritual take on religion. Seemed to align far more with my attraction to Eastern religions for the more refined/mature take on spirituality/theology as well.
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Loaded Shaman said: If we include "scientific determinism" with the religious dogmatic thinking, I agree.
Boneheaded academics and wayward academic theory is ofc included in this descriptor. It's a defunct religious practice in and of itself.
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Loaded Shaman said: If we include "scientific determinism" with the religious dogmatic thinking, I agree.
Boneheaded academics and wayward academic theory is ofc included in this descriptor. It's a defunct religious practice in and of itself.
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