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Psicomb
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Thanks for posting all those results, verum..!
Do you think it could make a difference doing it where the shrooms are weighed before being put in a bag and then after a period of time taking them back out of the bag and weighing them instead of with the bag weight too? It is just strange how the vac sealed gained that much weight.
Footpath, that's an interesting thought...
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Edited by Psicomb (12/30/19 11:05 AM)
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SpunkyMonkey88
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: footpath]
#26407640 - 12/30/19 11:18 AM (5 years, 19 days ago) |
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footpath said: Maybe the scale just needed a cooling down.
That started off as just a bit gabby but in the time it took to type it, I wonder if maybe that could show you some inaccuracy - the temperature of the unit itself.
I think he should throw a calibration weight it every time he weighs a bag to eliminate that chance...
Also I think it's weird the vacuum sealed bag would have gained weight while it still looks tight AF...
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Psicomb] 1
#26407646 - 12/30/19 11:24 AM (5 years, 19 days ago) |
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The jar could have lost air from balancing to a different temp/pressure. A bit like a closed plastic water bottle opened at a high atmosphere and then closed again will weigh ever so slightly less than one opened and closed at a low atmosphere, only unlike the plastic of the bottle or the bags the glass is able to resist being lightly crushed. These differences can affect dew points, so the jar might have lost water vapor over time as well, as the difference slowly pushed the water out.
(At least that’s my educated guess, there’s also things like rust and dirt residue, but really humanity has had to move to physical constant based measurement systems as the physical weights we’ve previously based things on have been slowly but noticeably diverging in weight and no one’s sure why... so quantum fairies is another less likely but still possible reason.)
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: StygianKnight]
#26407653 - 12/30/19 11:35 AM (5 years, 19 days ago) |
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hell yeah. thanks for taking the time on this, very cool.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: trubblesome]
#26407678 - 12/30/19 12:04 PM (5 years, 19 days ago) |
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Thank you for the writeup! I was considering a vac sealer, but I think I will stick to the half gal jars.
Has anyone seen a noticeable difference using jars with and without desiccant?
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LadysKnight
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: FunnyFungiName]
#26407713 - 12/30/19 12:28 PM (5 years, 19 days ago) |
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FunnyFungiName said: Has anyone seen a noticeable difference using jars with and without desiccant?
Nope. All you need is love jars.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: LadysKnight]
#26407721 - 12/30/19 12:32 PM (5 years, 19 days ago) |
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"Quantum Fairies"...
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eatyualive
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#26408063 - 12/30/19 04:06 PM (5 years, 19 days ago) |
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Fairly interesting verum. Mason jars are made of magic. That explains everything. They are filled with magic, rainbows 🌈 and sprinkles.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: eatyualive]
#26408222 - 12/30/19 05:50 PM (5 years, 19 days ago) |
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Most scales need to be calibrated . I assume you are recalibrating periodically.
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NothingsChanged
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: InfiniteDreams]
#26408320 - 12/30/19 07:10 PM (5 years, 19 days ago) |
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 Thanks for putting in the time V.
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J. Jack Flash
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: NothingsChanged]
#26408864 - 12/31/19 07:14 AM (5 years, 18 days ago) |
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good work, mr. subsequentis.
wrt to the mystery jar loss. you're talking about a 0.04% deviation from the previous value. a $15 scale from amazon won't be so precise. could be affected by things as small as the difference in the voltage of the batteries. to account for this, you could weigh each bag daily and plot the results over time.
for those lamenting your vacuum sealer purchases, i'd suggest not returning them. i have shrooms that have been vacuum sealed for six years that are as strong today as the day i packed them, stored in vacuum bags in very non-ideal conditions. if you have a mind to store for a far off rainy day, vacuum bags work. and they work for lots of other things.
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verum subsequentis
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: J. Jack Flash]
#26409035 - 12/31/19 09:39 AM (5 years, 18 days ago) |
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I feel ya on some of that. I wouldn't advise anyone to return or quit using their vac bags.
I understand why you'd talk shit on the scale but I've weighed a ton of shit with this scale and have tested it's accuracy pretty fucking thoroughly. It's proven true to +/- .01 over and over. It is possible that the weight of the jar is causing the scale to go wonky. I haven't tested it for accuracy with much weight. The real test will be when we open up the containers and weigh the fruits
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"Jars are made of magic" ...
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Psicomb
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Did they all still feel cracker dry after 3 months or did some of those fruits start to get bendy?
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verum subsequentis
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Psicomb]
#26409125 - 12/31/19 10:44 AM (5 years, 18 days ago) |
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the bags feel bendy but we'll find out more on the next test. still contemplating how long to let it ride
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Psicomb
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When we constantly pull things apart trying to see how it works, we may end up with only an understanding of how to destroy something
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attednev
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: Psicomb]
#26409269 - 12/31/19 12:32 PM (5 years, 18 days ago) |
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I love my jars, they make me feel safe
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J. Jack Flash
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verum subsequentis said: I feel ya on some of that. I wouldn't advise anyone to return or quit using their vac bags.
I understand why you'd talk shit on the scale but I've weighed a ton of shit with this scale and have tested it's accuracy pretty fucking thoroughly. It's proven true to +/- .01 over and over. It is possible that the weight of the jar is causing the scale to go wonky. I haven't tested it for accuracy with much weight. The real test will be when we open up the containers and weigh the fruits
nah, not talking shit. it's harder to tell if a beer can is an ounce light when it's weighed on top of a full keg. that's very nearly the proportion we're talking. precision like that costs money.
deffo eager to see your results. jars _are_ made of magic.
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: J. Jack Flash]
#26409735 - 12/31/19 06:25 PM (5 years, 18 days ago) |
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for sure.
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StygianKnight
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Re: verum's proper vs improper dried fruit storage test [Re: InfiniteDreams]
#26409840 - 12/31/19 07:52 PM (5 years, 18 days ago) |
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InfiniteDreams said: Most scales need to be calibrated . I assume you are recalibrating periodically.
The majority of digital scales use a type of load cell and ‘spring’ arm that doesn’t really need to be calibrated unless for extremely precise amounts or if used heavily.
People often think there’s a coiled spring in them but it’s really the spring or elastic nature of a metal that’s being referred too. As long as it stays in its spring state the metal can be deflected (bent) and return back to its previous position. Bent beyond this state it enters a plastic state where the bend will partly or fully ‘set’ and the metal wont return. Too far and it breaks all together.
As load is applied the deflection of the spring metal may not be exactly linear and that is taken into account for in the original calibration, which should still be good for the vast majority of people’s scales.
There seem to be two basic calibration options. If your scale asks you for progressively larger weights then it’s checking this deflection curve as more weight is applied. If it just asks for a single weight then it’s mostly checking that it hasn’t been damaged. Which is why the single weight is almost always at or close to the max capacity to fully stress the sensor and it passes or fails the test.
However it may also do what is in effect a ‘global tare’ and just accept your, say 100g, weight as the new 100g, which is potentially a great way to screw up your future weights if you guesstimate a hand full of dirty pennies like so many internet life hacks suggest. Since this is ultimately your scale passing off accuracy onto your weights, this is best if you have a set of highly accurate weights.
Which is a whole lot to say, don’t massively overload your scale or slam things down on it, and it shouldn’t need to be recalibrated in years. Having multiple scales with different weight ranges is better than always maxing out one scale.
Do however change the batteries often, as they age the voltage drops on alkaline batteries and when too low it can affect measurements while still giving enough power to turn on.
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