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NOUS333
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I fucked up
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About two years ago, little more, i quit taking (prescribed) 4 mg Xanax a day. A little bit before that I quit a opiate habit. Would take anything I could get. Ever since the thought of these drugs wasn’t even appealing. The other night I couldn’t sleep and had to get up for work at 4 am. Working on no sleep is the worst. Whenever this has happened I always think about taking a Xanax cause I have a few left, mainly kept them around Incase I ever trip and have a bad time but everytime I have had this thought I avoid acting on it at all costs. The other night I said fuck it and took .5mg. Then it happened again last night. My body must not be adjusting well to the new schedule. And it’s really fucking with me. Anyways. I’m worried now. The Xanax made me sleep within 30-40 min of taking it. It made me way less stressed the next day than i usualy am. To the point I find myself craving it now like a mother fucker. I know it’s stupid. I know it’s a dead end road but fuck. That sweet momentary release was so good.
Is there anything natural out there I can buy to help with sleep? Anything that really works? I tried valerian root and it didn’t do shit. It never has any other time I’ve tried it either and it’s been many times.
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Re: I fucked up [Re: NOUS333]
#26409361 - 12/31/19 01:32 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Melatonin works well for most people. Just eat 3-6mg before bed and lie down and read to relax. Inside half an hour it's all over for me, can barely keep my eyes open. Not addictive, not damaging, don't build tolerance, would need to massively overdose to risk any sort of negative effects.
It's one of those things though you need to take it and lie down in dim lighting. It won't knock you out in bright light like pharmas.
Worth a go.
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One herbal downer I found surprisingly strong was hops run through an espresso machine.
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Re: I fucked up [Re: NOUS333]
#26409377 - 12/31/19 01:44 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Sleep hygiene is a discipline, just like eating healthy and exercise. Becoming aggravated because we aren't getting the amount of sleep we think we need has a crippling effect on getting to sleep. It's a skill to remain calm and not get angry. Reacting with anger is like taking meth in order to try to get to sleep. I give my body the opportunity to rest and get as much sleep as it requires, and I don't second guess it. Reading a book and meditating are a couple of popular methods to calm an active mind.
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Indica eddibles and red kratom night. Coffee and green kratom all day. I feel ya brother. Keep fighting the good fight.
It's funny what you said about anger being like meth for a sleep aid. So true. I have anger management issues and for sure when I can't sleep I will get upset sometimes to the point I break shit and give up sleeping for the night. One day ill be the master of my universe. Till then I out myself down with strong herbs. Lol.
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Re: I fucked up [Re: NOUS333]
#26409416 - 12/31/19 02:04 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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You can extract xanax from plants.
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NOUS333
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Quote:
Northerner said: Melatonin works well for most people. Just eat 3-6mg before bed and lie down and read to relax. Inside half an hour it's all over for me, can barely keep my eyes open. Not addictive, not damaging, don't build tolerance, would need to massively overdose to risk any sort of negative effects.
It's one of those things though you need to take it and lie down in dim lighting. It won't knock you out in bright light like pharmas.
Worth a go.
Ive tried it. Didnt ever really help me.
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NOUS333
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Crazy_Horse said: You can extract xanax from plants.
No effin way
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Re: I fucked up [Re: NOUS333]
#26409428 - 12/31/19 02:07 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Melatonin, valarian root, and l-theanine could be worth checking out.
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Re: I fucked up [Re: deadwk]
#26409439 - 12/31/19 02:11 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Try bendandryl. Diphenhydramine will knock you out. I’d take the Xanax instead though I don’t know how they get away with “non habit forming” on the box as I didn’t sleep for 4ish days when I came Off them after some prolonged use. I also struggle with sleep. The most important thing is falling asleep at the SAME TIME for a few months in a row. That makes it much much harder to stay up all night
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Re: I fucked up [Re: deadwk]
#26409440 - 12/31/19 02:11 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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thedeadwalkk said: Melatonin, valarian root, and l-theanine could be worth checking out.
Did you not read the OP
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Re: I fucked up [Re: NOUS333]
#26409459 - 12/31/19 02:21 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Northerner said: Melatonin works well for most people.
Ive tried it. Didnt ever really help me.
Did you lay down and chill after taking it? Doesn't work if you don't.
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I was borderline addicted to Xanax years ago. Couldn’t sleep without taking 1.0 pill. Replaced it with cannabis, I sleep good every night. Fuck Xanax. “But you replace one substance for another”. Yes I did but weed is a lot better for you than Xanax.
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Re: I fucked up [Re: NOUS333]
#26409515 - 12/31/19 03:07 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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NOUS333 said:
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thedeadwalkk said: Melatonin, valarian root, and l-theanine could be worth checking out.
Did you not read the OP
My bad I didn't see you mention having tried valerian root.
Personally sleep aids only help so much, what really helps is practicing good sleep hygiene as RJ mentioned. I used to spend a lot of time in the day in my room working, and one of the things I learned whole reading about sleep hygiene is to only use your room for sleep. Once I started working elsewhere in the house and only using my room for sleep I was able to improve my sleep more. You could also try guided meditation apps.
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Re: I fucked up [Re: deadwk]
#26409551 - 12/31/19 03:42 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Yah like psi said hops or also passion flower is good. melatonin and valerian root as others have mentioned. Might make u a bit groggy the next day but nothing a cup of coffee can fix for most. hope you feel better from your Xanax that stuff should only be used in crisis scenarios.
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Benadryl is what I takes to sleep. Works, doesn't have a bunch of side effects. I have insomnia, there's really nothing natural that's going to work for me, I've already tried it all.
Valerian helped, but never on its own. But if I took it with Benadryl I find I have far fewer nights when I can't sleep than if I just take the Benadryl alone.
Getting plenty of sun during the day helps.
If you're an everyday drinker, stop. It took me a long time to even realize it, but alcohol actually made it harder to sleep and sleep deeply. I drink a bunch I tend to get about an hour or two of sleep and can't go back to sleep.
Oh yeah and I've found benzos for sleep come with rebound insomnia just like they come with rebound anxiety. Unless you're prepared to be taking it everyday and constantly stepping up the doses everytime your tolerance increases, then just don't start in the first place. You sleep tonight after taking it "just this once" you're going to pay for it with three extra days of sleeplessness.
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Re: I fucked up [Re: Antigov] 1
#26409751 - 12/31/19 06:33 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Antigov said: I was borderline addicted to Xanax years ago. Couldn’t sleep without taking 1.0 pill. Replaced it with cannabis, I sleep good every night. Fuck Xanax. “But you replace one substance for another”. Yes I did but weed is a lot better for you than Xanax.

Sex is the best sleep aid hands down.
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Re: I fucked up [Re: NOUS333]
#26409790 - 12/31/19 07:04 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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NOUS333 said: About two years ago, little more, i quit taking (prescribed) 4 mg Xanax a day. A little bit before that I quit a opiate habit. Would take anything I could get. Ever since the thought of these drugs wasn’t even appealing. The other night I couldn’t sleep and had to get up for work at 4 am. Working on no sleep is the worst. Whenever this has happened I always think about taking a Xanax cause I have a few left, mainly kept them around Incase I ever trip and have a bad time but everytime I have had this thought I avoid acting on it at all costs. The other night I said fuck it and took .5mg. Then it happened again last night. My body must not be adjusting well to the new schedule. And it’s really fucking with me. Anyways. I’m worried now. The Xanax made me sleep within 30-40 min of taking it. It made me way less stressed the next day than i usualy am. To the point I find myself craving it now like a mother fucker. I know it’s stupid. I know it’s a dead end road but fuck. That sweet momentary release was so good.
Is there anything natural out there I can buy to help with sleep? Anything that really works? I tried valerian root and it didn’t do shit. It never has any other time I’ve tried it either and it’s been many times.
for me klonopin has been the best sleep aid, and i imagine you wouldn't have too much trouble getting a prescription for it. Kava root and valerian barely did anything when i tried them, and otc's such as tylenol pm and benadryl always left me feeling bad side effects the following day.
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Temazepam was the best sleep aid for me for awhile, then I was on the max dose a doctor will give and it wasn't working anymore. Thus began my attempt at kicking benzos which is well chronicled on this site. The withdrawal can only be described as pure hell. I know that statement is always so overused that it doesn't even register the magnitude of what I'm trying to say, but in that time I was literally both so afraid I was going to die (seizures) that I had my wife performing a literal vigil of me when I was trying to sleep AND wishing that I WOULD die because I didn't know how I was going to take another minute of the agony, which btw was endless, because I also literally lost all sense of internal time. That internal clock that more or less tells you whether it's been a minute or an hour or a day lost ALL function. A minute felt like a day, and it was so messed up, I had no idea the order of events in an actual day. It was all just random memories. I didn't know what came first, mid or last. I just know they happened. I couldn't even reasonably measure the passage of time based on daily events. It was all happening at once, and indefinitely.
That is the best I can even describe it and even that doesn't really convey the depth of what I felt.
The worst part it's after all that... I still fell back into it. And boy did shit go even more South.
I can confidently say this now. Never again. I don't even want to imagine round three.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
Edited by Shroomslip (12/31/19 07:42 PM)
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NOUS333
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Shroomslip said: Temazepam was the best sleep aid for me for awhile, then I was on the max dose a doctor will give and it wasn't working anymore. Thus began my attempt at kicking benzos which is well chronicled on this site. The withdrawal can only be described as pure hell. I know that statement is always so overused that it doesn't even register the magnitude of what I'm trying to say, but in that time I was literally both so afraid I was going to die (seizures) that I had my wife performing a literal vigil of me when I was trying to sleep AND wishing that I WOULD die because I didn't know how I was going to take another minute of the agony, which btw was endless, because I also literally lost all sense of internal time. That internal clock that more or less tells you whether it's been a minute or an hour or a day lost ALL function. A minute felt like a day, and it was so messed up, I had no idea the order of events in an actual day. It was all just random memories. I didn't know what came first, mid or last. I just know they happened. I couldn't even reasonably measure the passage of time based on daily events. It was all happening at once, and indefinitely.
That is the best I can even describe it and even that doesn't really convey the depth of what I felt.
The worst part it's after all that... I still fell back into it. And boy did shit go even more South.
I can confidently say this now. Never again. I don't even want to imagine round three.
Yeah man. Fuck all that. Been there done that.
Idk where this craving is coming from but fuck going back to taking Xanax or anything else.
I have some promethazine that knocks me the fuck out that I forgot all about. Until I can get my work sched changed if I absolutely cannot sleep I’m gonna take some of that.
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Re: I fucked up [Re: NOUS333]
#26412777 - 01/02/20 03:28 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Benadryl plus melatonin, win sleep!
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Going into sleep and coming out of it sucks. I haven't been able to get it just right in about five years now. I often take 5mg diazepam to help me off cause my body don't wanna go.
Being in it though; man, that's some beautiful, fun-loving, awesome, cradled in the lap of god type shit right there.
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I think I'm borderline narcoleptic. My gf hates it because she is a light sleeper and has some insomnia. I can fall asleep usually within a minute or 2 most nights. If I nut, im snoring within 20 seconds.
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Some people are natural night owls and it's harder to train oneself to be a day worker and night sleeper. I'm one of them. It takes me forever it seems to fall asleep. If I turn over in the middle of the night boom! Wide awake, I have to really concentrate to go back to sleep. No caffeine after noon or at night, and I don't eat after 7-8pm, I usually try to go to bed between 9-10pm. I have to get up at 5:45 am these days.
@ O.P (or anyone): https://www.sleepfoundation.org/articles/what-circadian-rhythm
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Melatonin + weed + sleepy time tea works for me. I take half a Benadryl if needed, It'll knock you out but the quality of sleep is shit I find.
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make sure ur tv is off
take preventative sick days
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Theres a valerian root and passiflora tea that seems to be actually rather useful to me for this purpose. I normally scoff at such things having spent my twenties basically behaving like a drug hoover but it's effective.
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NOUS333
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Re: I fucked up [Re: Kimble]
#26413715 - 01/03/20 06:34 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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I think the main reason im having trouble is working nights everyday for the last 3+ months and all of a sudden telling my body to get up at 4 am and go to sleep at 8 pm. A second reason is being gifted coffee on xmas and being too impulsive and cheap to save it for later. Been drinking it daily. Has lions mane mushroms in it which is only reason im drinking it really.
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Re: I fucked up [Re: NOUS333]
#26414062 - 01/03/20 10:27 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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melatonin will do the most for resetting ur circadian rhythm
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I often walk for an hour late in the evening, and meditate after. Never any issues sleeping unless Im quiting a weed binge.
I find that accepting insomnia works. Even if your not sleeping. Lying down in the dark is still resting. Fretting about not sleeping is the worst thing you can do
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Tripsurfer said: I often walk for an hour late in the evening, and meditate after. Never any issues sleeping unless Im quiting a weed binge.
I find that accepting insomnia works. Even if your not sleeping. Lying down in the dark is still resting. Fretting about not sleeping is the worst thing you can do
Yes, agreed.
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