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Colorblind-Myc



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Documentation and record keeping "tek"? 1
#26409308 - 12/31/19 12:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Before I go into 2020, I'd like to get an idea of how everyone is documenting their grows. I've been trying to come up with a method that encapsulates most variables, ie; how long I soaked grain, what type of grain, what container, do I keep an inventory of containers?, spore medium. I know that might seem overkill to most, but organization is a enjoyable part of this hobby for me while I wait for pins.
Ideas?
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: Colorblind-Myc]
#26409313 - 12/31/19 12:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've been thinking about this as well lately. I learn to roll with memory but I'm doing quite a few things at once these days and new things as well. Time to go digital with this stuff. Especially tracking agar plates.
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: Colorblind-Myc]
#26409317 - 12/31/19 12:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I keep a notebook with the variables I adjust and the image references. Helps to troubleshoot problems too
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Colorblind-Myc



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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: eLeSDenes]
#26409329 - 12/31/19 01:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've been using those 3 pack moleskin mini journals, one journal for each species or variation, it works well, but the abbreviations, differences in growing mediums and how to track them.... I always end up with 6 different systems by the end, nothing works well enough for me yet. Perfectionist. Blah.
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: Colorblind-Myc]
#26409341 - 12/31/19 01:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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how about this:
-type of grain -soak/no soak/ -prep methods
- colonisation time in jars - colonisation time in bulk -spawn/sub ratio
-yield -uniformity -fruit sizes -potency
label each culture with an ID and you can just look up. I'd like to do this digitally so I can attach images too and easily edit if I decide.
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: eLeSDenes]
#26409371 - 12/31/19 01:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was looking for software that did what I wanted (tracking transfers, ability to leave notes/photos, etc.) I never found anything that I liked (the closest I was able to find was for growing weed). I ended up rolling my own software one afternoon that did what I want...

It's still a work in progress, and have been adding features as needed (like was planning on adding harvest logging).
But if anyone knows of mycology specific software, please let us know... I'll gladly abandon this little project for one someone already did.
Was going to make it web-based, but decided to go old-school and make it a computer application. Not trying to publish my log on the Internet/servers. A little more control if I can just encrypt the whole application file locally on my computer.
Edited by Growtech (12/31/19 01:41 PM)
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: Growtech]
#26409375 - 12/31/19 01:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Growtech said: I was looking for software that did what I wanted (tracking transfers, ability to leave notes/photos, etc.) I never found anything that I liked (the closest I was able to find was for growing weed). I ended up rolling my own software one afternoon that did what I want...

It's still a work in progress, and have been adding features as needed (like was planning on adding harvest logging).
But if anyone knows of mycology specific software, please let us know... I'll gladly abandon this little project for one someone already did.
What language are you writing that in? I like that GUI. I was gunna break down and use MS Access or something similar.
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: Colorblind-Myc]
#26409378 - 12/31/19 01:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Colorblind-Myc said:
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Growtech said: I was looking for software that did what I wanted (tracking transfers, ability to leave notes/photos, etc.) I never found anything that I liked (the closest I was able to find was for growing weed). I ended up rolling my own software one afternoon that did what I want...

It's still a work in progress, and have been adding features as needed (like was planning on adding harvest logging).
But if anyone knows of mycology specific software, please let us know... I'll gladly abandon this little project for one someone already did.
What language are you writing that in? I like that GUI. I was gunna break down and use MS Access or something similar.
Using FileMaker Pro. Allows you to build something that works in a multi-user setup on Mac/Windows and iOS (for me, I wanted to be able to have my iPad next to me while doing transfers to log it into the system as I do it with a couple clicks). Also lets you compile it down to a single-user application that will run on Windows and Mac. I actually tossed around the idea of doing that and offering it up to people here, but figured no one would care since I'm a new user.
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: Growtech]
#26409391 - 12/31/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I care and would love to try it out! Shoot me a link if you would like a beta tester!
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: orca shrooms]
#26409400 - 12/31/19 01:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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orca shrooms said: I care and would love to try it out! Shoot me a link if you would like a beta tester!
Well, let me get a little farther along as far as adding functionality. Or if you want to help with that, send me a private message about what your wish list would be, and I'll start getting functions worked into it.
Like I said, so far I've really just been adding stuff as I need it... haven't added harvesting stuff yet because I haven't harvested anything yet since I've been using it.
Also since it's an app, updating to new versions is more of a pain in the ass vs. if I decided to do it web-based, so the more stuff I can get included in the first version, the easier it will be down the road.
Edited by Growtech (12/31/19 01:55 PM)
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: Growtech]
#26409411 - 12/31/19 02:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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orca shrooms said: I care and would love to try it out! Shoot me a link if you would like a beta tester!
I also volunteer as tribute! Been a programmer and systems person for 15 years, let's make a thing.
Edited by Colorblind-Myc (12/31/19 02:04 PM)
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: Growtech]
#26409415 - 12/31/19 02:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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If I could code I’d definitely develop an app. Seems like a lot of people here would like that.
I play a lot of poker and switching from writing in a notebook to using a well made app was huge, especially since now with the cloud it’s basically impossible to lose thousands of hours of data.
The poker app will graph your wins and losses, break them down by day//month whatever tell you your hourly rate per game per location per day etc.
Something similar for cult would be pretty cool. Have it graph your yields over time so you can see how time of year and experience affects it. Filters for sub/variety/ratios.
Ok so who’s gonna develop the Shroomery app 1.0???
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: A.k.a]
#26409436 - 12/31/19 02:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I use my Journal here in the Shroomery. You can make a thread private so no one can see what you are doing
Love my Journal here. Don't need to have note books in bed evaluating my work when all I need is my trusty iPhone in hand.
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: YogiBear]
#26409442 - 12/31/19 02:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Using The shroomery forum is the perfect tool. It’s time stamped and you can post al the info in one thread. Keep it in your journal. Then you can access your notes anywhere in the world!
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: eatyualive]
#26409557 - 12/31/19 03:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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eatyualive said: Using The shroomery forum is the perfect tool. It’s time stamped and you can post al the info in one thread. Keep it in your journal. Then you can access your notes anywhere in the world! 
This! It's the perfect format here and God forbid if anything happens you won't have a book of evidence
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: cronicr]
#26409563 - 12/31/19 03:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said:
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eatyualive said: Using The shroomery forum is the perfect tool. It’s time stamped and you can post al the info in one thread. Keep it in your journal. Then you can access your notes anywhere in the world! 
This! It's the perfect format here and God forbid if anything happens you won't have a book of evidence
Love this idea. A journal for each grow perhaps.
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: cronicr]
#26409582 - 12/31/19 04:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said:
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eatyualive said: Using The shroomery forum is the perfect tool. It’s time stamped and you can post al the info in one thread. Keep it in your journal. Then you can access your notes anywhere in the world! 
This! It's the perfect format here and God forbid if anything happens you won't have a book of evidence
This is how I do mine exactly I love it. It's easy to throw a bunch of pics in my journal and add details after. It lets me see what happened in real time and as long as I post when things happen I know how long it took. I like to add links to other grows or teks I'm trying in the beginning. Like this humble Redboy grow.
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: Colorblind-Myc] 1
#26409586 - 12/31/19 04:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Keep it simple stupid - Logging should be concise, easy to read, and easy to replicate.
Logging cultures is important when the end result of that culture is an attempt to fruit it. Simply put, create a labeling protocol for your cultures and create a log for each attempt to fruit.
I label appropriately but do not log/track anything that I may toss. There is no need to log a plate swabbed with MS when you will most likely be cleaning it up visually and tossing those plates. For me, it’s unnecessary clutter. A simple # of your choice can be applied from project start, and if you toss that plate you have infinite more numbers to choose from for future plates of the same variety and source. I also doubt you’ll ever take 1000 clones of a certain variety.
When you start a new culture or take a transfer, you will need to update the label.
Like so:
Acronym + Source + # + Transfer Status (PESA-Clone1 T3, RW-MS3 T4, BHT-AGP2 T1, APE-Clone4-ISO)
When you decide to move forward with a culture it is appropriate to create a new log. Slant/plate your cultures before you grow them out so you can carry those genetics on if they end up being your golden goose.
A journal entry should list methods, dates, and yield. Method of inoculation, spawn and ratios, substrate and technique (pseudocasing, uncased), fruiting benchmarks, and final yield are all good things to include for determining the viability and BE of your culture within your growing conditions. I don’t fan or mist, and even if I did there is no need to log unimportant stuff like that. I don’t care to measure temps/RH, as those are simply my growing conditions and Temp/RH is not something I will ever care enough to ‘dial in’. In the winter things for me are 67-70, and in the summer they are 78-80. The RH in my grow room is whatever it is and I could care less. By simply dating, I can compare how things perform during different times of the year, which would be representative of how those fluctuations impact the performance of said culture. I grow every cube with the same approach. The goal is to select cultures that work well with your conditions and how you grow. Don’t try to change how you grow or your conditions to help your culture perform better. Dial that shit in over time with every grow and save your energy for working with agar.
A completed log would look like this for me:
LIPA-MS2 T2
10/24 Wedge to LME LC 10/28 LME LC to 5qts Pearled Barley 11/04 5qts Spawned 1:1.5 with CVG to 54qt unmodified tub - Pseudocased 11/13 Pins 11/19 First Flush Harvest - Dunked 30m 12/01 Second Flush Harvest - Substrate tossed
First flush - 108g dry Second flush - 52g dry
Total 160g
Notes: Heavy clustering. No mutations. Tall stipes. Uneven canopy on first flush, 20% reached maturity with remaining 80% of fruits a day or two behind.
Attached pictures if logging digitally (Shroomery journals, as mentioned)
Log Complete.
That’s it. Keep your agar/substrate/grain spawn recipes/teks in a separate log. Focus on your agar work.

Achieving this is more important than trying to variate and log growing techniques.
Also, don’t take my word for it. Whatever works best for you is what you should do. Much love!
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: vc77]
#26410211 - 12/31/19 11:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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When I started blasting my brains with high pharmahuasca doses my pupils would get dilated like CRAZY and light hurt. We're talking a gram of harmine+THH and 16-20 grams of ACRB, perhaps you can relate I found this free program, NoteTab Light, that I was able to set to a black background with dark orange text so I could bear to glimpse at the monitor to make a note in my trip journal if needed. Its become my all around psychedelics journal. I even changed .txt to .ntl on files and associated it with that program I open the program and all the pages I want open are on their own tabs. It auto-saves your journals as often as you want it to just in case you accidentally close it or trip on the power cord. Each pages icon even goes red if it hasnt been saved yet since modifying. Its for programmers so its intelligent enough to know if it should leave a space or not when you highlight something and type over it. Its cool.
Many years ago I didn't keep notes. No trip journals, no grow journals, no pictures. Now I really wish I had all that data. On my grows I track anything that might be relevant. My trip journal isn't really like a story, mostly just key points that might be relevant to pharmacological comparisons and speculations of what to try next time. All data is kept on the same encrypted drive that I have my TOR on.
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Re: Documentation and record keeping "tek"? [Re: Growtech] 2
#26617457 - 04/21/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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So I don't know what happened, but obviously I spaced out. I meant to come back and reply to tell you guys that I ended up rebuilding that mycology software to be web-based. Does some basic things (as well as some interesting things):
- Tracks type
- Tracks source
- Tracks container
- Tracks media / substrate
- Tracks contamination
- Works in metric or imperial
- A single harvest can be between 0.000001 grams up to 999,999 kilograms (it's scalable)
- Calculates biological efficiency
- Calculates yield efficiency (what produces the most, the fastest... basically taking into account time)
- Calculates things like the most efficient grow end date (this has been super helpful to me, because I always have a hard time tossing a grow because it just keeps making mushrooms).
- Genetic tracking forward and back an infinite number of generations (makes it simple with a "Transfer" button on any existing log)
- Unlimited high resolution photos
- Unlimited notes
- Yield tracking
- Lots of charts automatically generated for things like yield over time, contaminants, type, etc.
Has the ability to optionally share any individual log in case you want to show someone something, etc, etc... Obviously a shared log is read-only, so you can't see all the options for the log owner, but here's an example: https://mycolo.gy/logs/y5w925h5/
Anyway, if people want to use it, feel free (or don't). I've been using it for a few months and keep adding things here and there as I need them.
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