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Durgin
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Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes?
#26408992 - 12/31/19 09:09 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Just got my hands on my first pan cyan spores (Hawaiian variety) and have been reading all the pan cyan teks I can find. Some are way more complex than standard cube teks (involving greenhouses/marthas and very specific humidity levels), but others seem almost too simple, so I'm trying to distill them all down to just the essential differences between growing these and cubes.
My normal cube methods are pretty standard (spores to agar to wheat/rye to coir/CVG to shoeboxes) and I've had decent success with that approach (20+ grows). So I'm thinking I'll start there and modify for pans. Based on what I've read, here are the essential changes to cube tek I'll need to make:
- Manure- and/or straw-based substrate instead of coir
- Casing layer at fruiting
- More FAE during fruiting
- Thinner substrate (1.5 to 2")
Do all these sound right to everyone? And am I missing anything? Let me know below and I'll update this post so it can be a reference for others making the leap to pans in the future. Thanks!
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: Durgin]
#26409007 - 12/31/19 09:18 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Fresh air exchange is key. Yes you have some good points there. Also the mycelia is very brittle. Sometimes it doesn’t recover after a shake. I’ve even had pan mycelia turn a blue tint. I thought it might be contamination but it wasn’t. Ive even seen pan mycelia produce small stones on plates. It looks different than cube myc.
It may throw you off at first.
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: eatyualive]
#26409104 - 12/31/19 10:33 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Durgin, you have the gist of it. You'll need to get the temps up as well. 77-81F or so.
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: Asura]
#26409140 - 12/31/19 10:52 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Asura said: Durgin, you have the gist of it. You'll need to get the temps up as well. 77-81F or so.
Thanks Asura. I really enjoyed your write-up, and it's actually the one that most inspired me to write this post, because of the number of differences from the techniques I have already dialed in. I mostly just figure that introducing a bunch of new things at once (using a fogger, crumbling spawn bags to trays, etc.) opens up a lot of room for error, and so if something goes wrong it'll be hard to diagnose.
Will try adapting my usual shoebox cube tek and hope for acceptable results first, then if that works I can always try to improve it by integrating other changes. When I was first learning to grow earlier this year, Bod's constant reminders about keeping things simple really stuck with me, so now I'm paranoid about things like humidifiers. But once I get the rest of the tek down, then maybe I'll experiment a bit more.
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: eatyualive]
#26409148 - 12/31/19 10:57 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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eatyualive said: Fresh air exchange is key. Yes you have some good points there. Also the mycelia is very brittle. Sometimes it doesn’t recover after a shake. I’ve even had pan mycelia turn a blue tint. I thought it might be contamination but it wasn’t. Ive even seen pan mycelia produce small stones on plates. It looks different than cube myc.
It may throw you off at first.
That's a really helpful warning! Totally would not have seen that coming - you've saved me at minimum a future "wtf is this?" post, and maybe some tossed plates / spawn / subs that I mistakenly thought were bad.
Also on the brittle / not recovering after a shake thing, would you recommend using LC then instead of a2g? I'm still nailing down my technique there (currently growing some for cubes and edibles) and so wasn't planning on starting with it for pans, but if a2g could be problematic anyway I may try that from the start.
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: Durgin]
#26409153 - 12/31/19 10:59 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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My first Pan attempt I thought was a contam city at the myc looks way different at all stages. FAE can be a bitch. Keep your properly pastured manure based sub thin & case after full colonization gave me the best results.
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: Buddaking]
#26409166 - 12/31/19 11:11 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Buddaking said: My first Pan attempt I thought was a contam city at the myc looks way different at all stages. FAE can be a bitch. Keep your properly pastured manure based sub thin & case after full colonization gave me the best results.
Good call on pasteurization, will add that and other refinements to the OP later. I always pasteurize anyway, after my first cube shoebox using black kow straight out of the bag sprouted a clover! But worth clarifying for others.
And likewise on casing after colonization - so that's preferable to casing at spawn? (Hoping to get enough best practices here that if all works out well I can compile a straightforward shoebox pan tek that other intermediate-level cube growers can start with.)
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: Durgin]
#26409183 - 12/31/19 11:25 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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I always cased at full colonization.. Thin thin casing like 1/4" Thats what worked for me. Might be outdated as I have not been around much but that is how the mono's in my sig rolled.. Got a little over an oz a flush & got 3 flushes before I tossed em in the move.. I think they wanted to go forever...
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: Buddaking]
#26409347 - 12/31/19 01:20 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Starting simple is a good approach. I guess one thing I left out of my write up is that my goal was canopies of cyans - inspired by Blue Helix's grows.
You can go simple and still get fruits, just maybe not a lot of them or a good size.
Not sure if you've seen this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15268131#15268131
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: Asura]
#26409363 - 12/31/19 01:32 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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That was my fav grow of all time. I hope I'm able to fruit my RDU.
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: spiritlands]
#26409399 - 12/31/19 01:54 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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spiritlands said: That was my fav grow of all time. I hope I'm able to fruit my RDU.
I am trying to revive my old SS RDU print & a few other prints I got from him back in the day actually tonight. I saw u got it to pop spirt.. Good luck bro. If it popped it will fruit just keep some transfers to fall back on if shit goes south.
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: Asura]
#26409445 - 12/31/19 02:13 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Asura said: Not sure if you've seen this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15268131#15268131
Hadn't seen that one, thanks for sharing! (I'm conditioned to use the search function and limit to posts within the past five years, so it didn't come up.)
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: Buddaking]
#26412255 - 01/02/20 10:21 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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spiritlands said: That was my fav grow of all time. I hope I'm able to fruit my RDU.
I am trying to revive my old SS RDU print & a few other prints I got from him back in the day actually tonight. I saw u got it to pop spirt.. Good luck bro. If it popped it will fruit just keep some transfers to fall back on if shit goes south.
I've got a jar ready to spawn and several clean backups. My first pans ever started pinning yesterday. If I can fruit these rdu I'll be hosting a giveaway for sure. You're welcome to pm me in the meantime. I def want to bring RDU back.
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: spiritlands]
#26412274 - 01/02/20 10:34 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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This is perfect timing Ive been thinking about branching out and just read asuras thread yesterday myself. I’ll be keeping an eye on this for sure.
I didn’t know these will produce stones?
I’m so curious how different the experience with these is, I’ve only ever had cubes.
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: A.k.a]
#26412307 - 01/02/20 10:53 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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pans will kick your ass for sure but in a good way. i took 1.7 grams dried the other nite and it was honestly one of the best trips iv ever had👍 and in my 25+yrs of tripping that says a lot. its so much easier on the ol gut and way less of a body load. however i also took 11 grams fresh before and that was a killer trip also. i would advise u to grow them and c for yourself.
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: jcm4620]
#26412413 - 01/02/20 12:00 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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I saw your post right before in the pans thread, was wondering how that turned out! Just curious, what do you mean about "way less of a body load"? Cubes have been bothering me lately - the last few times I've done them, I've wound up getting a lot of uncomfortable muscle tension (not quite cramping, but just feeling like I can't physically relax). Maybe pans would be better that way?
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: jcm4620]
#26412422 - 01/02/20 12:11 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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I have only been focusing on pans for the last couple months but I don't think they are any harder than cubes at least up to this point, fruiting. I think I psyched myself out of growing them for a long time out of fear that they were too advanced for me.
@aka I don't think most pans produce Stones. Pan cinctulas I guess produces something like sclerotia but I only heard about that recently. I requested a print from the blue pearls thread but I think I got forgotten, ill have to track down a print and try it.
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Re: Essential differences between growing pan cyans and cubes? [Re: Durgin]
#26412554 - 01/02/20 01:39 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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 Just posting to bookmark this thread.
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