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Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened
#26406299 - 12/29/19 12:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay, just cultivated my first flush of shrooms, B+ strain, and ate them fresh off the cake last night. They weighed 40g fresh and I was hoping that would be enough for a good trip. I've had shrooms before (long time ago but still) so I knew what to expect going in....an hour later and still nothing. Two hours more and I figure it was all for nothing, so I go to bed. I mean, NOTHING. No visuals, no visions, no color, no body high, I maybe felt strange for a minute or two and that was it. I grew these damn things myself - so what's up? How could they not contain any psylocybin?
So, end of the day, I spent a lot of time and money on this, it took 5 weeks just for the mycelium to grow in, I carefully monitored the conditions each day, etc, so needless to say I'm pretty fucking pissed. I was really hoping to help my depression with this and now that this has been a complete failure I'm more depressed than ever. Fuck me. How does this shit happen?
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
#26406309 - 12/29/19 12:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Did you eat them on an empty stomach? With medium-low doses like that it can happen that you don't trip if you've eaten in the past 6 hours.
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#26406330 - 12/29/19 01:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sellith said: Did you eat them on an empty stomach? With medium-low doses like that it can happen that you don't trip if you've eaten in the past 6 hours.
Bullshit. 40 grams wet is not a low dose. If you don't feel anything, you just have shitty shrooms regardless of whether you ate something or not.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: godtortures]
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Bummer doooode!
You should’ve been floored.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
#26406474 - 12/29/19 02:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You know, actually if you really did find a strain of cubes that doesn't produce psilocybin, that would be huge. People would want to cultivate that. It'd make a decent edible mushroom, maybe not the best, but decent and unique.
Anyway, what medications are you taking? Sometimes medications can interfere with tripping. My main advice would just be to try growing again. Some mushrooms are weaker than others, it's possible that your mushrooms were just so weak that they effectively contained no actives.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: nooneman]
#26406529 - 12/29/19 03:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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your scale is broken... Take a nickel and weigh it, report back how much your scale says it weighs.
Other than that you didn't grow cubes, absolutely nothing from 40g fresh is unlikely. Even if your shrooms are 95% water that is still 2g, you should have felt something.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow] 1
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thelubbelow said: Okay, just cultivated my first flush of shrooms, B strain, and ate them fresh off the cake last night. They weighed 40g fresh and I was hoping that would be enough for a good trip. I've had shrooms before (long time ago but still) so I knew what to expect going in....an hour later and still nothing. Two hours more and I figure it was all for nothing, so I go to bed. I mean, NOTHING. No visuals, no visions, no color, no body high, I maybe felt strange for a minute or two and that was it. I grew these damn things myself - so what's up? How could they not contain any psylocybin?
So, end of the day, I spent a lot of time and money on this, it took 5 weeks just for the mycelium to grow in, I carefully monitored the conditions each day, etc, so needless to say I'm pretty fucking pissed. I was really hoping to help my depression with this and now that this has been a complete failure I'm more depressed than ever. Fuck me. How does this shit happen?
I am only guessing, dude , but from the limited information in your post, I would guess that you are still taking SSRI medication, or have recently come off SSRI medication. You may be like me: 50% of people can trip ok while taking SSRIs, 50% need to miss a couple of SSRI doses. Or you may be like me, a very small percentage of people who need to be COMPLETELY OFF SSRIs before they can trip. It took me 5 months after stopping medication before I tripped properly.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: DJ Ed] 1
#26408085 - 12/30/19 04:23 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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That is a very interesting point - I am still taking SSRI's, 100mg/day Zoloft and 150mg/day Effexor. Last time I tripped I hadn't ever been on them before (life was soooooo gooood back then!!). Ha.
I had wondered if there would be any interaction with the shrooms, but didn't expect to feel pretty much nothing. Then again, I feel nothing all the time now anyway soooooo....yeah.
Guess I'll try and get off them for a few months, then try again. Another cake has fruited quite a bit so I'll pick them today and dry them out for now and try later once off these things and report back...almost threw away the whole kit in frustration but this is a good point. Thanks-
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
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Didn’t Zoloft have a lawsuit? It’s prob generic or something...
Are we allowed to suggest flushing all the Zoloft?
What an awesome transition, quitting Zoloft to pick up this! Hell yes.
We’re tou gonna do 40g fresh your first time???
You might wanna start with like 10-20g fresh lol if you’re not experienced or simply do not know how much is a lot for you. For some people 5g is ALOT for others it’s not so much. You should know this about yourself before doing 40 g fresh
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow] 2
#26408161 - 12/30/19 05:10 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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thelubbelow said: That is a very interesting point - I am still taking SSRI's, 100mg/day Zoloft and 150mg/day Effexor.
Can damn near guarantee those medications are why you didn't feel anything .
Even if you did feel a little something, and for some folks on SSRIs/SNRIs they can still feel some effects from psychedelics or even still have a trip but they need relatively large doses...but even if you were one of those people and did feel some effect, I feel those medications will stand in the way of receiving any substantial benefit one might get from mushrooms/psychedelics.
You'll have to make the choice....I've heard it takes at least a couple to a few weeks before psychedelics can work at their "full potential" after one has stopped taking their SSRI....And tapering down the dose might be best rather than just stopping entirely at once . Maybe talk to your doc about the best way to quit taking your meds or search around online for posts/threads/articles from other folks that have stopped taking similar medications and how they went about it.
I'm curious....How long have you been taking those medications and have you noticed any benefit from them? Any side effects?..I'm just always curious about people's experiences with such meds.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: openmind]
#26408260 - 12/30/19 06:27 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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How do magic mushroom interact with such medications? I don’t understand the happening to this.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: WhoManBeing] 1
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SSRIs interact with seratonin uptake. So do the classic pychs. They conflict with each other.
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I think the scale is okay...just put a nickel on it and it came out at 5g...is that accurate? For whether they were cubes or not, all I can tell you is I bought a syringe of the B+ spores from (edited out). See below for a picture of them, just before consumption....do those look like cubes or did I receive something else from those guys? Failing that, it's possible my medication interacted with them, effectively crossing out the effects...seems strange that I would feel nothing, though. Anyways, let me know your thoughts...thanks all.

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#26408433 - 12/30/19 08:31 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Thanks for the post OM.
I've been on the Zoloft (actually, the generic form, Sertraline) for over 5 years now (SSRI)...then added the Effexor (Venaflaxine, an SNRI) mid last year.
About the effects, I can say they are very subtle but the main thing is, while they do raise up the floor of how bad you can feel, they also lower the ceiling on how good you can feel. The biggest thing is that I don't think about dying as much when I'm on these meds. But on my best day, I basically feel nothing, which really sucks cause I used to feel good all of the time and I guess life just beat it out of me over the years, but I still remember what it was like to not be majorly depressed all the time and I miss the good times, a lot.
That said, I think I'll lower the dose over the coming weeks and months until I'm off it, then try this again. It's certainly a risk, but a calculated one at any rate, given the possible benefit I can get from these mushrooms over the small benefit I currently receive from these anti-depressants, vs a full-on depression episode from not being on them in the interim...but generally speaking, you do have to suffer when climbing a mountain but the views at the end are always worth it, this might just be my price of admission.
Of course, the shrooms themselves that I grew could just be complete shit and this will all be for nothing...as a back-up I'll order a a few more different strains from (edited out), grow them and that way at least I'll have something to test against the initial control group. Ha. Scientific method and all that. Stay tuned, wish me luck - thanks all -
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
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thelubbelow said: I think the scale is okay...just put a nickel on it and it came out at 5g...is that accurate? For whether they were cubes or not, all I can tell you is I bought a syringe of the B+ spores from premium spores dot com. See below for a picture of them, just before consumption....do those look like cubes or did I receive something else from those guys? Failing that, it's possible my medication interacted with them, effectively crossing out the effects...seems strange that I would feel nothing, though. Anyways, let me know your thoughts...thanks all.


Well you answered both my concerns; Your scale is acurate and you have cubensis so... yes, whatever medication you are on is the issue.
I have little knowledge in this area, but from what i do know its not recommended to take psychedelic while on an SSRI. When i was researching this(it has been nearly a decade) the main concerns were that it could cause serotonin syndrome.
There are some accounts that have popped up through the years of people that have successfully tripped while on these medications, but why risk it?
If you've done the work to grow out your cubes, lay off you meds for whatever time is recommended(i would say 3-7 days,but i don't have any experience with SSRIs) then take your dose and resume your medication afterwards.
BUT... you grew cubes out and in the ~2 months it took you never came across anything about the SSRI/Psychedelic issue? Or never thought about looking if it was safe to take psychedelics while on an antidepressant?
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You know, I actually did look into it...
Unfortunately, there is very little research out there suggesting one way or the other, most likely due to psilocybin being classified as a schedule 1 drug. However, politics and beliefs aside, the main thing they caution against is *possible* serotonin syndrome and that is a "maybe" in this case - I mention that because it is well-known that you absolutely NEED to be off SSRIs if you are to take something like Ayahuasca - it has been documented that serotonin syndrome is a very high risk when combining these two. But with mushroooms, it seems the jury is out on this, or at least it is a very low risk, so with that information I thought it was safe to go for it.
I can tell you this: I did NOT experience serotonin syndrome after I ate those 40g of fresh B+. I have not read anywhere about there being a complete cancellation of effects on this combination. So, at the very least, I can post here and say this happened to me, and maybe further research will come out (hopefully) on this, but for now I'll just have to be a single data point. Has anyone else experienced this? Would be interested to know if I'm in the minority or if this is happens a lot. Thanks all-
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
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Yikes then, good luck bud. Your walking a dangerous path. Whether or not a drug combo has the possibility of hurting you, damaging you permanently, killing you, or being the best time of your life. It would be wise to abstain from all other drugs(yes your antidepressant is a drug) before trying to introduce a new one. Not only is this safer, but it allows you to judge what this new substance actually does to you with zero tolerance and no other drugs to cloud the experience.
I wouldn't risk it man, but you do as you will do, which is as you please. You didn't experience serotonin syndrome, we can see that, does not make that combo safe. Worse is i fear you'll think your cubes are weak and when you decide to take a break from the SSRI to see if that is the issue, you will dose heavy and end up worse off.
40g wet is a damn good starting dose, until you let the ssri get out of your system i would not go higher.
I'd rather not give advice to anyone battling depression as that is such a broad diagnosis, but i will as you have already grown the mushrooms and are going to experiment with them either way.
You say you get a "small benefit" from the SSRI correct? so why not take a short break(3-7 days). If your symptoms become worse i would stop this experiment. After a decent break try 2-3.5g dried (20-35g wet) and see how it goes. Go from there and see how you feel and check back in as others here can and will help you and let you know if you should stop or seek help.
Mushrooms will for sure help you with your death thoughts. It might not make them go away or even less frequent, but they just might put it in perspective.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
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1. Broken scale
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2. Broken shrooms
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow] 1
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thelubbelow said: That is a very interesting point - I am still taking SSRI's, 100mg/day Zoloft and 150mg/day Effexor. Last time I tripped I hadn't ever been on them before (life was soooooo gooood back then!!). Ha.
I had wondered if there would be any interaction with the shrooms, but didn't expect to feel pretty much nothing. Then again, I feel nothing all the time now anyway soooooo....yeah.
Guess I'll try and get off them for a few months, then try again. Another cake has fruited quite a bit so I'll pick them today and dry them out for now and try later once off these things and report back...almost threw away the whole kit in frustration but this is a good point. Thanks-
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I was only guessing at first, thelubbelow,but now you have confirmed to me this is what has happened with you. You are experiencing EXACTLY what I experienced three and a half years ago. So listen up, pal, here’s what I found out from both my research into this and from personal experience; hope it helps:
Firstly I would recommend checking out the following drug interaction table: Reddit Drug Interaction Table. You will see that there is no danger of an interaction between psilocybin (and LSD) and SSRIs. If anything, it will reduce the effect of the mushrooms.
I had been on SSRIs for over 7 years for depression treatment; 2 years on citalopram (60mg) then 5 years on Sertraline (USA - Zoloft) 100mg. After a few failed attempts to wean myself under the doctors care, I decided to go it alone! I tapered off from 100mg to 50mg for a week then 25mg for the next week, then 25mg every other day for the third week, then 0g. It was after a few days of ZERO SSRIs that I took my first psilocybin dose in over 30 years. I did not trip.....
I had been experiencing life exactly as you seem to be describing it; yes they help with the lows, but part of this flattening out of emotions also robs you of any positive feelings. The first couple of years I was euphoric and couldn’t stop laughing at work (was really hard work actually), but then life just became an existence. For example, I went to a Muse concert in Manchester, a band I had wanted to see live for years: I did not get excited one bit, and if anything getting the bus into Manchester was a chore! It was only afterwards I realised I had actually enjoyed the concert!
Then I started doing research. I started finding all sorts of troubling facts about SSRIs. There are reported links between say some of the high school mass shootings in schools in America - there are “tenuous” links that blame SSRIs for the culprits losing it and killing. It then became apparent that SSRIs were developed when the FDA banned research into LSD!! I found the research with psychedelics and this inspired me to “go it alone”. So I tapered off myself in three weeks, as above, then as a matter of courtesy went back to my GP to let him know I was off, and to discuss all the latest research. He then said something that blew me away: “Paul, you were never meant to be on these SSRIs long term!”
A few years prior to that conversation, he had told me the drugs only cost him pennies, he explained they corrected the flow of serotonin in my brain from random to one direction, then said there were no issues with me being on them for the rest of my life! I nearly punched him before walking out!
So yeah going back to tripping, I did not get to the psychedlic headspace with mushrooms until I had been on 0g SSRIs for 5 months! I don’t want to demotivate you buddy, as most of the advice says you’ll be fine after abstaining from SSRIs for a couple of weeks. I would disagree, from my own personal experience only.
I feel your pain, brother, I truly do. But you need to get off the SSRIs completely. I managed the gap between medication and pysilocybin, by learning to grow mushrooms. The first three months I had such a steep learning curve that my mind was kept occupied. The mental withdrawal was manageable, through some of the side effects were horrible: the so-called “brain zaps” really were nasty. Felt like my head was swimming, especially when I moved, for months and months.
Stick with it brother. By all means, PM me.
I didn’t get anybody else explicitly telling me to do what I was doing, so even though I had done at least 12mmonths research, I was still nervous of the potential for a drug interaction. But I really was desperate to get off the SSRIs so took the plunge regardless. I hope this gives you some confidence that what I’m telling you is for real.
I have had a couple of spells in the last 3.5 years where I have abstained from mushrooms for almost a year (various reasons - dog died, then a challenging trip kept me away for a While), but no matter how bad I can feel, it will never be bad enough for me to go back on anti-depressants. I had one quite deep trip last November 2018, where I travelled back in time into my 20 year old Hawkwind following brain. I dedicated the whole trip to understanding my depression, and what the mushrooms taught me was quite deep: DEPRESSION IS A CHOICE. My depression was actually made worse my a mad couple of years before SSRIs where I self-medicated with MDMA! I believe this has done permanent damage to my neurons, but even so, I would never choose to “take the easy option” and go back on SSRI medication.
Self medicate with an organic natural medication: psilocybin. For the last few months, I have been maintaining discipline, and tripping every two weeks, regardless of personal circumstance or feelings. I have stuck to 3.7 - 3.8g dried P.S. Cubensis B+, and I have been having very intense and rewarding trips. The after-glow is lasting a week, then the next week I am kept busy planning the next trip. Seems to be working for me now. So yes your 40g wet cubensis is probably equivalent to my 3.8g dry. Did you say you’d grown Golden Techers? The photographs of them look fine; get them cracker dry, into bags with mini-bags ofndessicant, and freeze them - they will be perfectly fine in a few months still - I have stuff in the freezer that is 3 years old and still potent! Stick it out brother and great psychedlic experiences await you.
Good luck brother, and mush love.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: DJ Ed]
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The lubbelow, the Shroomery - you may have to visit the reddit site to get a clear version of the table. When I follow the link, it stays blurry.
If you’re struggling search google for “drug interaction table psilocybin” then follow the link to Reddit.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: DJ Ed]
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Wow Dj Ed 5 months! that shows how much I know about SSRIs, i guess couple days isn't enough.
Great advice on how to get OP to his goal
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BabylonRuleDem said: Wow Dj Ed 5 months! that shows how much I know about SSRIs, i guess couple days isn't enough.
Great advice on how to get OP to his goal
Thanks Babylon, there re so many educated and well-written people on the shroomery, I often feel overwhelmed! It’s nice for once to be able to give back some love and assistance!
To be explicit about this, it took 5 months for me, and I guess it will take a similar effort from the OP. From my research, it seemed like a couple of days off meds was enough for most people. It’s probably just unlucky for me and the OP.
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SSRIs inhibit the reuptake of serotonin, they block the receptors the already released serotonin fits in so to speak. Psilocin (4-hydroxy-dimethyl-tryptamin) is almost identical to serotonin (5-hydroxy-tryptamin) on a chemical level. The psilocin interacts with the same receptors the serotonin would interact with.
Now when those receptors are blocked, they not only block serotonin, but also block psilocin. It's as easy as that. While on a strong SSRI, no psilocin will have an effect.
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Pandemoon said: SSRIs inhibit the reuptake of serotonin, they block the receptors the already released serotonin fits in so to speak. Psilocin (4-hydroxy-dimethyl-tryptamin) is almost identical to serotonin (5-hydroxy-tryptamin) on a chemical level. The psilocin interacts with the same receptors the serotonin would interact with.
Now when those receptors are blocked, they not only block serotonin, but also block psilocin. It's as easy as that. While on a strong SSRI, no psilocin will have an effect.
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Great advice.
I would add to my earlier post, something else for the OP to consider and hopefully to help steer him away from prescription medication towards natural organic and safe medication.
Think on this (another factor in my decision): the medical professionals do not know EXACTLY how SSRIs work. Everybody is different and everybody reacts differently to SSRIs. That is why they will try you on various medications before they put you on “the maintenance dose” (for life.......). I only mentioned 2 SSRIs in my treatment; there had actually been four or five before the citalopram then the sertraline.
So my anger started to rise when I realised I was an NHS guinea pig. They DO NOT KNOW HOW THESE DAMN THINGS WORK. Then I found out that sertraline (Zoloft) is rebranded and given as an anti-anxiety medication. It is re-branded and given out to help with pmt. citalopram is re-branded and given out as an appetite suppressant........ Need I go on?
Now decide whether you want to take a pill everyday for the rest of your life........
I am not saying there is no place in medicine for SSRIs; they have a very useful purpose. They stopped me from hanging myself! But please people, only consider them as a very short-term fix. As soon as you start to feel back in control, give thoughts to coming off SSRIs and move to alternative remedies.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: DJ Ed]
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I am currently on 10mg of Lexipro, an SSRI. I am able to achieve a very good trip, but not the God experience. I have a friend who is a medical doctor and fellow tripper. He said that we are all individuals when it comes to SSRIs and Mushrooms, and recommended that I double my dose.
I have taken Hualta (sp) and Golden Teacher. For Hualta (sp), I had a nice trip on 6g dried. For Golden Teacher, I took 5g dried, and nothing happened, but the onset was delayed. 1 1/2 hours later, it hit me like a ton of bricks and lasted a full 6 hours.
I would not come off my meds immediately, but taper off slowly. Back in the day, I stopped Effexor cold-turkey, and wound up having a seizure.
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I have little knowledge in this area, but from what i do know its not recommended to take psychedelic while on an SSRI. When i was researching this(it has been nearly a decade) the main concerns were that it could cause serotonin syndrome.
Hey Babylon, The above sentence about serotonin syndrome rang a bell this morning when I read it, but I couldn’t place the connection where I’d read about this.......
It’s dawned on me, and this could be a difference in the evidence since you did your research 10 years ago: there is not as far as I am aware a link between psychedelics edit: mushrooms (apparently there is a link between other psychedelics and Serotonin Syndrome) and serotonin syndrome. Rather, serotonin syndrome is a potentially fatal SIDE-EFFECT of taking an SSRI.
You couldn’t make the shit up, pal. The first MAJOR problem with when you start taking an SSRI is that it can temporarily INCREASE your chance of committing suicide. I shit you not! But then a rare side effect (be right back, gonna check the leaflet I kept); woah, there isn’t a frequency for this side effect. It is in the general warnings. From my leaflet:-
Tell your doctor immediately: If you experience agitation, confusion, diarrhoea, high temperature and blood pressure, excessive sweating and rapid heartbeat. These are symptoms of Serotonin Syndrome. Your doctor may wish to stop your treatment.
I have read elsewhere that the condition can be fatal in some cases. Dont quote me on this, I feel it could be bull.
I reckon a lot of people don’t really understand the actual healing concept of prescription medication. They especially don’t realise that they are taking a particular drug for one of its side effects. So using Paracetemol as an example, a drug which has been used for many years by many millions of people, for its intended side effect of pain relief. Another side effect of paracetemol is death from I think kidney damage! So we take all drugs, prescription or ‘recreational’, for a side effect. This side effect generally depends on the context it is taken in, and the dose, as well as other drug interactions.
The sertraline I was taking had a side effect that it blocked serotonin re-uptake - depression relief. Another side effect is appetite suppression. Another is sleep disorder. Another is PMT.......
I once (well many times actually), but once broke my ribs and was prescribed co-codamol. One, admittedley rare, side effect was death from catastrophic liver failure. Guess what, I decided not to risk death for a bit of pain relief!
Fascinating thread, but above all else people, stay safe and do your research.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: DJ Ed]
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DJ Ed said: Thanks Babylon, there re so many educated and well-written people on the shroomery, I often feel overwhelmed! It’s nice for once to be able to give back some love and assistance!
No doubt this place has a wealth of knowledge, and sharing your experiences helps build this knowledge
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Hey Babylon, The above sentence about serotonin syndrome rang a bell this morning when I read it, but I couldn’t place the connection where I’d read about this.......
It’s dawned on me, and this could be a difference in the evidence since you did your research 10 years ago: there is not as far as I am aware a link between psychedelics and serotonin syndrome. Rather, serotonin syndrome is a potentially fatal SIDE-EFFECT of taking an SSRI.
Right i did a minimal amount of research on this, as i was on a rather high dosage of gabapentin at the time due spinal issues. While looking if it was safe to take psychedelics with Gabapentin i came across quite a few mentions of SSRIs, but as i was not on them i didn't bother to research any further.
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Tell your doctor immediately: If you experience agitation, confusion, diarrhoea, high temperature and blood pressure, excessive sweating and rapid heartbeat. These are symptoms of Serotonin Syndrome. Your doctor may wish to stop your treatment.
FWIW while going to several doctors trying to treat my spinal issues, one doctor decided to try me on Zoloft as the chronic pain was causing me depression. I took it one time and experienced a lot of those symptoms, along with feeling like absolute shit mentally(ie suicidal thoughts). Again this was my one and only experience with an SSRI, but i did not like it. I could absolutely see it making someone worse, but everyone is different.
Also i agree with everything you said about doctors, IME they would throw any drug at me they could get me to take. Treating symptoms rather than the cause is not effective IMHO.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
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I've been on the Zoloft (actually, the generic form, Sertraline) for over 5 years now (SSRI)...then added the Effexor (Venaflaxine, an SNRI) mid last year.
About the effects, I can say they are very subtle but the main thing is, while they do raise up the floor of how bad you can feel, they also lower the ceiling on how good you can feel. The biggest thing is that I don't think about dying as much when I'm on these meds. But on my best day, I basically feel nothing, which really sucks cause I used to feel good all of the time and I guess life just beat it out of me over the years, but I still remember what it was like to not be majorly depressed all the time and I miss the good times, a lot.
That said, I think I'll lower the dose over the coming weeks and months until I'm off it, then try this again. It's certainly a risk, but a calculated one at any rate, given the possible benefit I can get from these mushrooms over the small benefit I currently receive from these anti-depressants, vs a full-on depression episode from not being on them in the interim...but generally speaking, you do have to suffer when climbing a mountain but the views at the end are always worth it, this might just be my price of admission.
Of course, the shrooms themselves that I grew could just be complete shit and this will all be for nothing...as a back-up I'll order a a few more different strains from source of spores this time, grow them and that way at least I'll have something to test against the initial control group. Ha. Scientific method and all that. Stay tuned, wish me luck - thanks all -
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B+ is know as bunk plus in some circles. Seems like you got a better chance of growing non magic illegal mush with em than any other varieties.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: Bph]
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thelubbelow said: Thanks for the post OM.
I've been on the Zoloft (actually, the generic form, Sertraline) for over 5 years now (SSRI)...then added the Effexor (Venaflaxine, an SNRI) mid last year.
About the effects, I can say they are very subtle but the main thing is, while they do raise up the floor of how bad you can feel, they also lower the ceiling on how good you can feel. The biggest thing is that I don't think about dying as much when I'm on these meds. But on my best day, I basically feel nothing, which really sucks cause I used to feel good all of the time and I guess life just beat it out of me over the years, but I still remember what it was like to not be majorly depressed all the time and I miss the good times, a lot.
That said, I think I'll lower the dose over the coming weeks and months until I'm off it, then try this again. It's certainly a risk, but a calculated one at any rate, given the possible benefit I can get from these mushrooms over the small benefit I currently receive from these anti-depressants, vs a full-on depression episode from not being on them in the interim...but generally speaking, you do have to suffer when climbing a mountain but the views at the end are always worth it, this might just be my price of admission.
Of course, the shrooms themselves that I grew could just be complete shit and this will all be for nothing...as a back-up I'll order a a few more different strains from source of spores this time, grow them and that way at least I'll have something to test against the initial control group. Ha. Scientific method and all that. Stay tuned, wish me luck - thanks all -
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B is know as bunk plus in some circles. Seems like you got a better chance of growing non magic illegal mush with em than any other varieties.
Disagree. I’m working through a stash of B+ that I grew; I’m getting “heroic” trips from 3.8g dry.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: Bph]
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I’d add: I’ve also tried golden teachers which I thought were spot on. I’ve tried Ecuador Which after a few trips I threw the rest of the stash in the bin; very dark, boring not rewarding trips.
I guess everybody is different. I absolutely love the trips I’m getting from 3.8 gram dried B+. Wasn’t meaning to be rude to you, brother ✊🏻
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: DJ Ed]
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Lol. It's not an agree or disagree situation. I am glad your culture is killing it but I grew out B+ that had zero feels to it. Then I found a lot of other people who had grown B+ only to get fruits with no activity. Of course that's all bullshit and a cube is a cube and any two spores have the potential to be anything but... I wouldn't bother with B+ again.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
#26409490 - 12/31/19 02:49 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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thelubbelow said: Stay tuned, wish me luck - thanks all -
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Definitely do wish you luck . If you remember to, report back when ever you get around to having another attempt at tripping and let us know how it goes.
I'm sure you'll eventually get what you're looking for.
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thelubbelow said: ...the main thing they caution against is *possible* serotonin syndrome and that is a "maybe" in this case - I mention that because it is well-known that you absolutely NEED to be off SSRIs if you are to take something like Ayahuasca - it has been documented that serotonin syndrome is a very high risk when combining these two. But with mushroooms, it seems the jury is out on this, or at least it is a very low risk, so with that information I thought it was safe to go for it.
As far as I understand, there is no risk of serotonin toxicity (syndrome) with SSRIs and mushrooms (or any classic psychedelic, LSD, mescaline, DMT).
With an enzyme inhibitor involved, like ayahuasca, yes there is absolutely a major risk of serotonin toxicity/syndrome if one is on a SSRI.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: Bph]
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Bph said: Lol. It's not an agree or disagree situation. I am glad your culture is killing it but I grew out B that had zero feels to it. Then I found a lot of other people who had grown B only to get fruits with no activity. Of course that's all bullshit and a cube is a cube and any two spores have the potential to be anything but... I wouldn't bother with B again.






Just harvested first flush of some Golden Teachers 👊🏻 The rye grain took a full 4 weeks to colonise; must be the cold winter ambient temps. Layered in with pasteurised substrate in a black bin liner for a further two weeks. Fruit conditions; literally next morning loads of pins. First flush harvest taken after 7 days of pinning. The substrate was really wet, so I am really hoping to get more than the poultry 533 grams wet on the second flush.
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I was able to trip while on a low dose of setraline (50mg). I noticed some decreased effects after being on it for about 6 months, but it was a fairly insignificant change.
After being on setraline for about a year, I weened myself off of over a 2 month period. My goal was to completely avoid discontinuation effects, but I still experienced a week of extreme nausea, increased anxiety, and depressive thoughts after completely coming off of it. In retrospect I would have greatly benefited from weening with the help of my therapist, but ultimately I was fine after the one week of hell.
Please be incredibly careful when adjusting dosage on your own! SSRI's are incredibly powerful and have the potential to induce heightened depressive states. Many of my friends have quit their medication cold turkey and ended up suffering for months because of it.
Also, regarding the risk of serotonin syndrome, it's my understanding that while there may be a slight risk in taking psilocybin or even THC while on an SSRI, the risk is low and not found in any clinical studies. That said, you should absolutely avoid taking MDMA or any MAOI's.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: WASTE]
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WASTE said: I was able to trip while on a low dose of setraline (50mg). I noticed some decreased effects after being on it for about 6 months, but it was a fairly insignificant change.
After being on setraline for about a year, I weened myself off of over a 2 month period. My goal was to completely avoid discontinuation effects, but I still experienced a week of extreme nausea, increased anxiety, and depressive thoughts after completely coming off of it. In retrospect I would have greatly benefited from weening with the help of my therapist, but ultimately I was fine after the one week of hell.
Please be incredibly careful when adjusting dosage on your own! SSRI's are incredibly powerful and have the potential to induce heightened depressive states. Many of my friends have quit their medication cold turkey and ended up suffering for months because of it.
Also, regarding the risk of serotonin syndrome, it's my understanding that while there may be a slight risk in taking psilocybin or even THC while on an SSRI, the risk is low and not found in any clinical studies. That said, you should absolutely avoid taking MDMA or any MAOI's.
Very wise words, brother. Thank you for adding to my posts.
I would never advocate that anybody takes any risks. Always, always please do your research. I wish that facility had been available to me the first time I took psychedelics 30+ years ago!!
I believe my advice to OP is correct baceause he exhibits the very same symptoms, and has been on the same medication for the exact amount of time and dosage as me. But you are absolutely correct.
OP you may trip successfully after two weeks abstinence from SSRIs, it may take you a few months just like for me, but please be careful, and monitor your withdrawal, taper off sensibly and watch the physical symptoms. Engage with your Doctor. Stay safe.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
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thelubbelow said: Thanks for the post OM.
I've been on the Zoloft (actually, the generic form, Sertraline) for over 5 years now (SSRI)...then added the Effexor (Venaflaxine, an SNRI) mid last year.
About the effects, I can say they are very subtle but the main thing is, while they do raise up the floor of how bad you can feel, they also lower the ceiling on how good you can feel. The biggest thing is that I don't think about dying as much when I'm on these meds. But on my best day, I basically feel nothing, which really sucks cause I used to feel good all of the time and I guess life just beat it out of me over the years, but I still remember what it was like to not be majorly depressed all the time and I miss the good times, a lot.
That said, I think I'll lower the dose over the coming weeks and months until I'm off it, then try this again. It's certainly a risk, but a calculated one at any rate, given the possible benefit I can get from these mushrooms over the small benefit I currently receive from these anti-depressants, vs a full-on depression episode from not being on them in the interim...but generally speaking, you do have to suffer when climbing a mountain but the views at the end are always worth it, this might just be my price of admission.
Of course, the shrooms themselves that I grew could just be complete shit and this will all be for nothing...as a back-up I'll order a a few more different strains from source of spores this time, grow them and that way at least I'll have something to test against the initial control group. Ha. Scientific method and all that. Stay tuned, wish me luck - thanks all -
J
If you have enough crop (and you really want to edit that vendor name out of the earlier post as they aren't a sponsor and that can get the thread locked) from these just taper off as feels most comfortable then try the same amount again in a week to ten days. Repeat this, take notes, you'll probably start to see some effect and ANY effect is likely to help you out more than the SSRIs if many testimonials in these forums are reliable.
Spores are spores regardless of the label some vendor slapped on them or the price they tried to charge. B+ is popular but it also has a reputation for lackluster MS - but not outright bunk. All MS can vary, it's a crapshoot. Unfortunately you don't have enough time nor posts yet to access the marketplace (hint - free spores!) but will soon enough. But don't go off buying a bunch more spores, that won't fix the lack of effect if due to SSRIs, just cost you coin.
There's virtually no risk in doing it this way. You already know that 40 g fresh didn't do anything. See what happens with half as much SSRI in your system. And so on. Your shrooms could be weak, but what you want is data and results, not a lot of experiments. It will only take a few weeks to do this but starting over with fresh spores will put you way down the road. And as soon as you feel effects you'll know.
Also I second SEE YOUR DOC about this. Discuss EXACTLY what you want to do and why. They may not endorse it yet, but at least if you have bad reactions they'll know what's going on.
Happy future tripping.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Great post, PS.
I would add for the OP🙄:
I was not completely truthful to you in my earlier post(s): when I said “I did not trip”, after a few days at 0g SSRI medication. Well that’s not the fulll story. My first dose was 3.5g dried golden teacher. Did what I thought was a Lemon Tek. I snapped up the cracker dry shrooms into a bowl and covered with lemon juice. I left this bowl in the fridge overnight.
Next day, at about 11am, I sieved out the shrooms, chucked them in the bin, and drank the lemon juice. I did not, with hindsight do the Lemon Tek correctly which involves also eating the shrooms!!!
This first trip off SSRIs was disappointing. I did get quite strong CEVs. Geometric patterns swirling and moving towards me. Massive wide open indoor cavernous spaces. Changing mood and colour of the room I was in. I had a quite chilled and nostalgic feeling. But not what I’d call a real trip.
Over the next few months, I got better at dosing. I have never eaten shroooms, I always do a tea.
I built my doses up carefully over the next few weeks and months. The trips got sort of stronger, I seemed to go further, obviously helped by taking a correct amount of psilocybin, but I never really got to that “psychedelic headspace”. You all know what I mean. I built up my doses to approximately maximum doses of 8.9g dried golden teacher and 7.5g dried Psilocybe Semilanceata (Liberty Cap) mushrooms. This last liberty cap experience kicked in for the first time in a big, big way. I had strong CEVs and OEVs, and the music was breathtaking. But the next day one of my two labradors died, and this fucked me up for almost a year.
It took me 5 months to get to that point.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: DJ Ed]
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I've enjoyed reading your posts and noticed many similarities between our experiences. I credit psilocybin (both the experiences I had from tripping, and the hobby that developed as I learned how to grow/forage them) for helping me understand the fundamental causes of my depression and the necessary steps needed to navigate out of it. I also agree that SSRI's, SNRI's, and the many other anti depressant medications are dangerously under researched and come with a myriad of undesirable effects. They are in no capacity a longterm fix, and the continued use of them seems to just create more issues.
All that aside, anti depressants quite literally have saved lives and while we must be critical of them, we shouldn't deny their ability to temporarily alleviate suffering. I can't speak to the longterm use of it, but every therapist I've ever talked to advertises them as short term tools to sustain a person and their will to live. I imagine the experience of being on them for so long can become incredibly difficult, and I can't even start to imagine the discontinuation symptoms associated with such longterm use. I just really needed to stress how difficult the transition can be and suggest ways to minimize the pain, I love all you shroomery peeps and wish us all the best of physical and mental health.
Thank you for your additions to this thread Ed, you're a kind soul and I wish you a great 2020
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: WASTE]
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Also, heres a worthwhile video that I found helpful. Take care everyone!
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: WASTE]
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Thank you for your kind words, always appreciated 👊🏻
I absolutely agree, anti-depressants, and more specifically SSRIs, saved my life. I was crying while cycling home from work early. I was crying because I knew this time it was actually going to happen. I worked out the best way was to hang myself by strapping a noose from a timber in the attic through the loft hatch. It all made sense to me. I’d dreamed about this since I was about 8 years old. So many times. So many times throughout my life I have thought up cruel punishments for people,, and my get out of jail free card was that I was going to kill myself!
So you are absolutely right, WASTE. SSRIs do have a valid place in current medical knowledge and treatment. They saved me seriously from hanging. Not trying to score sympathy points here, I’m 53 years old and too old for that sympathy shit, I am genuinely grateful for SSRIs. Turns out my wife rang my neighbour, who let herself in ,,saw me hanging ther and rang the ambulance, and hey presto the rest is history!
But I would stress a few important points about SSRIs: They have serious side effects. The worst serious side effects occur when you start taking SSRIs These include increased probability of suicide 😱😱😱😱😱😱
The only mitigating factor, and obviously this psychology worked for me,, is that when you start taking them you get some hope that things are going to improve and you put up with the temporary side effects. I would try to impress upon anybody reading this where it strikes a chord: SSRI medication can really help when the chips are really down. But please only ever consider them as a short term solution, whatever your doctor tells you. As soon as you feel somewhere back in control of your life, spend all of your energy on coming up with an alternative remedy and weaning yourself off the SSRIs.
Hope this helps, DJ Ed.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: WASTE]
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Hey all-
Thanks everyone for the posts and advice - super appreciated. You know, it's nice to be on a forum that has educated, well-written & experienced people instead of the usual trolls. As is the case with most people, I'm sure, my issues go deeper than just major depressive disorder, I'm also an alcoholic. I've tried MANY times to stop drinking, and always relapsed. This was another reason to start tripping, as I had also heard that it can help with quitting alcohol. Little did I know the interactions with the SSRI and SNRI I am on would not allow for this. So here's what I'm going to do - I'm going to quit drinking starting today, and stay on my current level of antidepressants through this month while I go through the alcohol withdrawal, then starting in Feb I'll start to gradually lower my dose until I'm weaned off them completely - probably 2 - 3 months. The cubes from my first harvest I'm currently drying and will put in the freezer for a trip most likely in the Spring.
So yeah, I got my work cut out for me. This will probably be the hardest thing I've had to do, but if I don't do it I'll never get better. I'll check back in with ya'all and let you know if I make it till then. Odds are against me, only about 5% of people actually recover, just hope I have the willpower to stick it out. I know if I am able to the benefits will certainly outweigh the temporary suffering, but that's easier said than done, as you probably already know. Thanks again all -
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
#26411699 - 01/01/20 11:42 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Being on most anti-anxiety medications block any effects from mushrooms and lysergamides and not doing it on an empty stomach weakens it.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: Blabble40]
#26411712 - 01/01/20 11:57 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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You got this bro. I am using mushrooms to help me get over a 20 year opiate addiction that got real nasty the last 5 years. Def take it slow with getting off your meds and be prepared to have some really hard days long after you take your last pill/drink. Ofnce your off them and start working with the mushrooms it's important to remember they will only show you the way, and even when they make you feel like your cured it's short lived. You have to work with them, try to listen and make the changes your telling yourself to make or it can turn dark on your ass. That said they can also be extremely recreational while they are healing you and I find in the beginning you can eat them as often as you feel the urge too so don't be shy. Good luck PM me if you ever need to talk to someone going through something similar.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: Raven44]
#26412024 - 01/02/20 07:42 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Raven44 said: Didn’t Zoloft have a lawsuit? It’s prob generic or something...
Are we allowed to suggest flushing all the Zoloft?
What an awesome transition, quitting Zoloft to pick up this! Hell yes.
We’re tou gonna do 40g fresh your first time???
You might wanna start with like 10-20g fresh lol if you’re not experienced or simply do not know how much is a lot for you. For some people 5g is ALOT for others it’s not so much. You should know this about yourself before doing 40 g fresh
this really is terrible and potentially dangerous information that should not be used. When you are coming off of any kind of drug that you become tolerant to, you dont want to stop using it suddenly and trade it for psychedelics. This is how people have psychotic breaks.... let your brain take some time to heal and take it slow getting off the SSRIs, the brain zaps that you get can be terrible for some people. I imagine its a lot more like a benzo WD mixed with too much mdma (zaps) than opiate withdrawal but it was still very hard for some of my family members to get off so please be careful and remember that there is a lot of time left in your life, no need to rush in!
take your time, do a little more research around here and then try again. the good thing is that when you properly dry mushrooms they stay good for a long time in the right conditions.
PM me if you need any advice and good luck to you on your journey to happiness my friend!
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: SnowDaze]
#26412111 - 01/02/20 08:53 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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OP said himself that he was gonna slowly stop taking Zoloft so that he can take shrooms he grew hence the awesome transition comment
No one recommend picking up shrooms and dropping Zoloft immediately you are mistaken due to not reading the thread
It’s really sad all the people who have been tricked into taking drugs that are more addicting than heroine. At least with heroine you don’t risk deadly seizures pharmaceutical drugs are so bad. I’m glad I was never tricked into finding happiness in some fake pill
Interesting that so many pharmaceutical users are drawn to this site
OP already said he is doing well btw thanks to the comments
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: Raven44]
#26412180 - 01/02/20 09:31 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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I fully accept the comments on withdrawing slowly; I may just have been extremely lucky. The information I was being given at the time was that the length of the withdrawal / tapering off period should be AT LEAST EQUAL TO THE DURATION YOU WERE ON THEM FOR. For me that should have been at least 7 years! I tried to come off unden my doctors care 3 times, unsuccessfully. That’s why I went for the 3 week tapering off, only telling my doctor once I was off; he did advise me what I had done was not recommended by medical professionals. The withdrawal symptoms did last about 5 months, same amount of time it took me to be able to trip properly after coming off SSRIs. (Hmm, coincidence?)
I really wish I had found the Shroomery before I went to my doctors that first time with depression.....
I would never hope any of my advice leads someone into trouble. So I always stress, DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH; start right here in the Shroomery.
Mush love people, and stay safe. DJ Ed
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: Raven44]
#26412461 - 01/02/20 12:33 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Raven44 said: OP said himself that he was gonna slowly stop taking Zoloft so that he can take shrooms he grew hence the awesome transition comment
No one recommend picking up shrooms and dropping Zoloft immediately you are mistaken due to not reading the thread
It’s really sad all the people who have been tricked into taking drugs that are more addicting than heroine. At least with heroine you don’t risk deadly seizures pharmaceutical drugs are so bad. I’m glad I was never tricked into finding happiness in some fake pill
Interesting that so many pharmaceutical users are drawn to this site
OP already said he is doing well btw thanks to the comments
someone said it first page
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#26413456 - 01/02/20 11:28 PM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Loaded Shaman said: 1. Broken scale
and/or
2. Broken shrooms
Agreed or could be the meds.
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