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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26408804 - 12/31/19 06:05 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Wow Dj Ed 5 months! that shows how much I know about SSRIs,  i guess couple days isn't enough.

Great advice on how to get OP to his goal:thumbup:


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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26408838 - 12/31/19 06:42 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

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Wow Dj Ed 5 months! that shows how much I know about SSRIs,  i guess couple days isn't enough.

Great advice on how to get OP to his goal:thumbup:



Thanks Babylon, there re so many educated and well-written people on the shroomery, I often feel overwhelmed! It’s nice for once to be able to give back some love and assistance!

To be explicit about this, it took 5 months for me, and I guess it will take a similar effort from the OP. From my research, it seemed like a couple of days off meds was enough for most people. It’s probably just unlucky for me and the OP.

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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: BabylonRuleDem] * 1
    #26408840 - 12/31/19 06:44 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

SSRIs inhibit the reuptake of serotonin, they block the receptors the already released serotonin fits in so to speak.
Psilocin (4-hydroxy-dimethyl-tryptamin) is almost identical to serotonin (5-hydroxy-tryptamin) on a chemical level. The psilocin interacts with the same receptors the serotonin would interact with.

Now when those receptors are blocked, they not only block serotonin, but also block psilocin.
It's as easy as that. While on a strong SSRI, no psilocin will have an effect.

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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26408847 - 12/31/19 07:00 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

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SSRIs inhibit the reuptake of serotonin, they block the receptors the already released serotonin fits in so to speak.
Psilocin (4-hydroxy-dimethyl-tryptamin) is almost identical to serotonin (5-hydroxy-tryptamin) on a chemical level. The psilocin interacts with the same receptors the serotonin would interact with.

Now when those receptors are blocked, they not only block serotonin, but also block psilocin.
It's as easy as that. While on a strong SSRI, no psilocin will have an effect.

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Great advice.

I would add to my earlier post, something else for the OP to consider and hopefully to help steer him away from prescription medication towards natural organic and safe medication.

Think on this (another factor in my decision): the medical professionals do not know EXACTLY how SSRIs work. Everybody is different and everybody reacts differently to SSRIs. That is why they will try you on various medications before they put you on “the maintenance dose” (for life.......). I only mentioned 2 SSRIs in my treatment; there had actually been four or five before the citalopram then the sertraline.

So my anger started to rise when I realised I was an NHS guinea pig. They DO NOT KNOW HOW THESE DAMN THINGS WORK. Then I found out that sertraline (Zoloft) is rebranded and given as an anti-anxiety medication. It is re-branded and given out to help with pmt. citalopram is re-branded and given out as an appetite suppressant........ Need I go on?

Now decide whether you want to take a pill everyday for the rest of your life........

I am not saying there is no place in medicine for SSRIs; they have a very useful purpose. They stopped me from hanging myself! But please people, only consider them as a very short-term fix. As soon as you start to feel back in control, give thoughts to coming off SSRIs and move to alternative remedies.

Mush love,
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26408994 - 12/31/19 09:10 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

I am currently on 10mg of Lexipro, an SSRI. I am able to achieve a very good trip, but not the God experience. I have a friend who is a medical doctor and fellow tripper. He said that we are all individuals when it comes to SSRIs and Mushrooms, and recommended that I double my dose.

I have taken Hualta (sp) and Golden Teacher. For Hualta (sp), I had a nice trip on 6g dried. For Golden Teacher, I took 5g dried, and nothing happened, but the onset was delayed. 1 1/2 hours later, it hit me like a ton of bricks and lasted a full 6 hours.

I would not come off my meds immediately, but taper off slowly. Back in the day, I stopped Effexor cold-turkey, and wound up having a seizure.


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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26409021 - 12/31/19 09:27 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

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I have little knowledge in this area, but from what i do know its not recommended to take psychedelic while on an SSRI. When i was researching this(it has been nearly a decade) the main concerns were that it could cause serotonin syndrome.





Hey Babylon,
The above sentence about serotonin syndrome rang a bell this morning when I read it, but I couldn’t place the connection where I’d read about this.......

It’s dawned on me, and this could be a difference in the evidence since you did your research 10 years ago: there is not as far as I am aware a link between psychedelics edit: mushrooms (apparently there is a link between other psychedelics and Serotonin Syndrome) and serotonin syndrome. Rather, serotonin syndrome is a potentially fatal SIDE-EFFECT of taking an SSRI.

You couldn’t make the shit up, pal. The first MAJOR problem with when you start taking an SSRI is that it can temporarily INCREASE your chance of committing suicide. I shit you not! But then a rare side effect (be right back, gonna check the leaflet I kept); woah, there isn’t a frequency for this side effect. It is in the general warnings. From my leaflet:-

Tell your doctor immediately:
If you experience agitation, confusion, diarrhoea, high temperature and blood pressure, excessive sweating and rapid heartbeat. These are symptoms of Serotonin Syndrome. Your doctor may wish to stop your treatment.


I have read elsewhere that the condition can be fatal in some cases. Dont quote me on this, I feel it could be bull.

I reckon a lot of people don’t really understand the actual healing concept of prescription medication. They especially don’t realise that they are taking a particular drug for one of its side effects. So using Paracetemol as an example, a drug which has been used for many years by many millions of people, for its intended side effect of pain relief. Another side effect of paracetemol is death from I think kidney damage! So we take all drugs, prescription or ‘recreational’, for a side effect. This side effect generally depends on the context it is taken in, and the dose, as well as other drug interactions.

The sertraline I was taking had a side effect that it blocked serotonin re-uptake - depression relief. Another side effect is appetite suppression. Another is sleep disorder. Another is PMT.......

I once (well many times actually), but once broke my ribs and was prescribed co-codamol. One, admittedley rare, side effect was death from catastrophic liver failure. Guess what, I decided not to risk death for a bit of pain relief!

Fascinating thread, but above all else people, stay safe and do your research.

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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26409076 - 12/31/19 10:03 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

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Thanks Babylon, there re so many educated and well-written people on the shroomery, I often feel overwhelmed! It’s nice for once to be able to give back some love and assistance!





No doubt this place has a wealth of knowledge, and sharing your experiences helps build this knowledge:thumbup:

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Hey Babylon,
The above sentence about serotonin syndrome rang a bell this morning when I read it, but I couldn’t place the connection where I’d read about this.......

It’s dawned on me, and this could be a difference in the evidence since you did your research 10 years ago: there is not as far as I am aware a link between psychedelics and serotonin syndrome. Rather, serotonin syndrome is a potentially fatal SIDE-EFFECT of taking an SSRI.




Right i did a minimal amount of research on this, as i was on a rather high dosage of gabapentin at the time due spinal issues. While looking if it was safe to take psychedelics with Gabapentin i came across quite a few mentions of SSRIs, but as i was not on them i didn't bother to research any further.

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Tell your doctor immediately:
If you experience agitation, confusion, diarrhoea, high temperature and blood pressure, excessive sweating and rapid heartbeat. These are symptoms of Serotonin Syndrome. Your doctor may wish to stop your treatment.




FWIW while going to several doctors trying to treat my spinal issues, one doctor decided to try me on Zoloft as the chronic pain was causing me depression. I took it one time and experienced a lot of those symptoms, along with feeling like absolute shit mentally(ie suicidal thoughts).
Again this was my one and only experience with an SSRI, but i did not like it. I could absolutely see it making someone worse, but everyone is different.

Also i agree with everything you said about doctors, IME they would throw any drug at me they could get me to take.
Treating symptoms rather than the cause is not effective IMHO.


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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
    #26409367 - 12/31/19 01:34 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

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Thanks for the post OM.

I've been on the Zoloft (actually, the generic form, Sertraline) for over 5 years now (SSRI)...then added the Effexor (Venaflaxine, an SNRI) mid last year. 

About the effects, I can say they are very subtle but the main thing is, while they do raise up the floor of how bad you can feel, they also lower the ceiling on how good you can feel.  The biggest thing is that I don't think about dying as much when I'm on these meds.  But on my best day, I basically feel nothing, which really sucks cause I used to feel good all of the time and I guess life just beat it out of me over the years, but I still remember what it was like to not be majorly depressed all the time and I miss the good times, a lot.

That said, I think I'll lower the dose over the coming weeks and months until I'm off it, then try this again.  It's certainly a risk, but a calculated one at any rate, given the possible benefit I can get from these mushrooms over the small benefit I currently receive from these anti-depressants, vs a full-on depression episode from not being on them in the interim...but generally speaking, you do have to suffer when climbing a mountain but the views at the end are always worth it, this might just be my price of admission. 

Of course, the shrooms themselves that I grew could just be complete shit and this will all be for nothing...as a back-up I'll order a a few more different strains from source of spores this time, grow them and that way at least I'll have something to test against the initial control group.  Ha.  Scientific method and all that.  Stay tuned, wish me luck - thanks all -

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B+ is know as bunk plus in some circles. Seems like you got a better chance of growing non magic illegal mush with em than any other varieties.


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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: Bph]
    #26409370 - 12/31/19 01:36 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

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Thanks for the post OM.

I've been on the Zoloft (actually, the generic form, Sertraline) for over 5 years now (SSRI)...then added the Effexor (Venaflaxine, an SNRI) mid last year. 

About the effects, I can say they are very subtle but the main thing is, while they do raise up the floor of how bad you can feel, they also lower the ceiling on how good you can feel.  The biggest thing is that I don't think about dying as much when I'm on these meds.  But on my best day, I basically feel nothing, which really sucks cause I used to feel good all of the time and I guess life just beat it out of me over the years, but I still remember what it was like to not be majorly depressed all the time and I miss the good times, a lot.

That said, I think I'll lower the dose over the coming weeks and months until I'm off it, then try this again.  It's certainly a risk, but a calculated one at any rate, given the possible benefit I can get from these mushrooms over the small benefit I currently receive from these anti-depressants, vs a full-on depression episode from not being on them in the interim...but generally speaking, you do have to suffer when climbing a mountain but the views at the end are always worth it, this might just be my price of admission. 

Of course, the shrooms themselves that I grew could just be complete shit and this will all be for nothing...as a back-up I'll order a a few more different strains from source of spores this time, grow them and that way at least I'll have something to test against the initial control group.  Ha.  Scientific method and all that.  Stay tuned, wish me luck - thanks all -

J





B  is know as bunk plus in some circles. Seems like you got a better chance of growing non magic illegal mush with em than any other varieties.





Disagree. I’m working through a stash of B+ that I grew; I’m getting “heroic” trips from 3.8g dry.

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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: Bph]
    #26409397 - 12/31/19 01:53 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

I’d add: I’ve also tried golden teachers which I thought were spot on. I’ve tried Ecuador Which after a few trips I threw the rest of the stash in the bin; very dark, boring not rewarding trips.

I guess everybody is different. I absolutely love the trips I’m getting from 3.8 gram dried B+. Wasn’t meaning to be rude to you, brother ✊🏻

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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26409420 - 12/31/19 02:05 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Lol. It's not an agree or disagree situation. I am glad your culture is killing it but I grew out B+ that had zero feels to it. Then I found a lot of other people who had grown B+ only to get fruits with no activity. Of course that's all bullshit and a cube is a cube and any two spores have the potential to be anything but... I wouldn't bother with B+ again.


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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
    #26409490 - 12/31/19 02:49 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

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thelubbelow said:
Stay tuned, wish me luck - thanks all -

J





:wink:

Definitely do wish you luck :thumbup: . If you remember to, report back when ever you get around to having another attempt at tripping and let us know how it goes.

I'm sure you'll eventually get what you're looking for.














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I have little knowledge in this area, but from what i do know its not recommended to take psychedelic while on an SSRI. When i was researching this(it has been nearly a decade) the main concerns were that it could cause serotonin syndrome.




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...the main thing they caution against is *possible* serotonin syndrome and that is a "maybe" in this case - I mention that because it is well-known that you absolutely NEED to be off SSRIs if you are to take something like Ayahuasca - it has been documented that serotonin syndrome is a very high risk when combining these two. But with mushroooms, it seems the jury is out on this, or at least it is a very low risk, so with that information I thought it was safe to go for it. 






As far as I understand, there is no risk of serotonin toxicity (syndrome) with SSRIs and mushrooms (or any classic psychedelic, LSD, mescaline, DMT).

With an enzyme inhibitor involved, like ayahuasca, yes there is absolutely a major risk of serotonin toxicity/syndrome if one is on a SSRI.






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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: Bph]
    #26409508 - 12/31/19 03:04 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

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Lol. It's not an agree or disagree situation. I am glad your culture is killing it but I grew out B  that had zero feels to it. Then I found a lot of other people who had grown B  only to get fruits with no activity. Of course that's all bullshit and a cube is a cube and any two spores have the potential to be anything but... I wouldn't bother with B  again.
















Just harvested first flush of some Golden Teachers 👊🏻
The rye grain took a full 4 weeks to colonise; must be the cold winter ambient temps. Layered in with pasteurised substrate in a black bin liner for a further two weeks. Fruit conditions; literally next morning loads of pins. First flush harvest taken after 7 days of pinning. The substrate was really wet, so I am really hoping to get more than the poultry 533 grams wet on the second flush.

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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26409564 - 12/31/19 03:48 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

I was able to trip while on a low dose of setraline (50mg). I noticed some decreased effects after being on it for about 6 months, but it was a fairly insignificant change.

After being on setraline for about a year, I weened myself off of over a 2 month period. My goal was to completely avoid discontinuation effects, but I still experienced a week of extreme nausea, increased anxiety, and depressive thoughts after completely coming off of it. In retrospect I would have greatly benefited from weening with the help of my therapist, but ultimately I was fine after the one week of hell.

Please be incredibly careful when adjusting dosage on your own! SSRI's are incredibly powerful and have the potential to induce heightened depressive states. Many of my friends have quit their medication cold turkey and ended up suffering for months because of it.

Also, regarding the risk of serotonin syndrome, it's my understanding that while there may be a slight risk in taking psilocybin or even THC while on an SSRI, the risk is low and not found in any clinical studies. That said, you should absolutely avoid taking MDMA or any MAOI's.


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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: WASTE]
    #26409664 - 12/31/19 05:27 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

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I was able to trip while on a low dose of setraline (50mg). I noticed some decreased effects after being on it for about 6 months, but it was a fairly insignificant change.

After being on setraline for about a year, I weened myself off of over a 2 month period. My goal was to completely avoid discontinuation effects, but I still experienced a week of extreme nausea, increased anxiety, and depressive thoughts after completely coming off of it. In retrospect I would have greatly benefited from weening with the help of my therapist, but ultimately I was fine after the one week of hell.

Please be incredibly careful when adjusting dosage on your own! SSRI's are incredibly powerful and have the potential to induce heightened depressive states. Many of my friends have quit their medication cold turkey and ended up suffering for months because of it.

Also, regarding the risk of serotonin syndrome, it's my understanding that while there may be a slight risk in taking psilocybin or even THC while on an SSRI, the risk is low and not found in any clinical studies. That said, you should absolutely avoid taking MDMA or any MAOI's.




Very wise words, brother. Thank you for adding to my posts.

I would never advocate that anybody takes any risks. Always, always please do your research. I wish that facility had been available to me the first time I took psychedelics 30+ years ago!!

I believe my advice to OP is correct baceause he exhibits the very same symptoms, and has been on the same medication for the exact amount of time and dosage as me. But you are absolutely correct.

OP you may trip successfully after two weeks abstinence from SSRIs, it may take you a few months just like for me, but please be careful, and monitor your withdrawal, taper off sensibly and watch the physical symptoms. Engage with your Doctor. Stay safe.

Mush love,
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
    #26409669 - 12/31/19 05:29 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

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Thanks for the post OM.

I've been on the Zoloft (actually, the generic form, Sertraline) for over 5 years now (SSRI)...then added the Effexor (Venaflaxine, an SNRI) mid last year. 

About the effects, I can say they are very subtle but the main thing is, while they do raise up the floor of how bad you can feel, they also lower the ceiling on how good you can feel.  The biggest thing is that I don't think about dying as much when I'm on these meds.  But on my best day, I basically feel nothing, which really sucks cause I used to feel good all of the time and I guess life just beat it out of me over the years, but I still remember what it was like to not be majorly depressed all the time and I miss the good times, a lot.

That said, I think I'll lower the dose over the coming weeks and months until I'm off it, then try this again.  It's certainly a risk, but a calculated one at any rate, given the possible benefit I can get from these mushrooms over the small benefit I currently receive from these anti-depressants, vs a full-on depression episode from not being on them in the interim...but generally speaking, you do have to suffer when climbing a mountain but the views at the end are always worth it, this might just be my price of admission. 

Of course, the shrooms themselves that I grew could just be complete shit and this will all be for nothing...as a back-up I'll order a a few more different strains from source of spores this time, grow them and that way at least I'll have something to test against the initial control group.  Ha.  Scientific method and all that.  Stay tuned, wish me luck - thanks all -

J




If you have enough crop (and you really want to edit that vendor name out of the earlier post as they aren't a sponsor and that can get the thread locked) from these just taper off as feels most comfortable then try the same amount again in a week to ten days.  Repeat this, take notes, you'll probably start to see some effect and ANY effect is likely to help you out more than the SSRIs if many testimonials in these forums are reliable.

Spores are spores regardless of the label some vendor slapped on them or the price they tried to charge.  B+ is popular but it also has a reputation for lackluster MS - but not outright bunk. All MS can vary, it's a crapshoot.  Unfortunately you don't have enough time nor posts yet to access the marketplace (hint - free spores!) but will soon enough.  But don't go off buying a bunch more spores, that won't fix the lack of effect if due to SSRIs, just cost you coin.

There's virtually no risk in doing it this way.  You already know that 40 g fresh didn't do anything.  See what happens with half as much SSRI in your system.  And so on.  Your shrooms could be weak, but what you want is data and results, not a lot of experiments.  It will only take a few weeks to do this but starting over with fresh spores will put you way down the road.  And as soon as you feel effects you'll know. :awesomenod:

Also I second SEE YOUR DOC about this.  Discuss EXACTLY what you want to do and why.  They may not endorse it yet, but at least if you have bad reactions they'll know what's going on. 

Happy future tripping. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26409706 - 12/31/19 05:53 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Great post, PS.

I would add for the OP🙄:

I was not completely truthful to you in my earlier post(s): when I said “I did not trip”, after a few days at 0g SSRI medication. Well that’s not the fulll story.
My first dose was 3.5g dried golden teacher. Did what I thought was a Lemon Tek. I snapped up the cracker dry shrooms into a bowl and covered with lemon juice. I left this bowl in the fridge overnight.

Next day, at about 11am, I sieved out the shrooms, chucked them in the bin, and drank the lemon juice. I did not, with hindsight do the Lemon Tek correctly which involves also eating the shrooms!!!

This first trip off SSRIs was disappointing. I did get quite strong CEVs. Geometric patterns swirling and moving towards me. Massive wide open indoor cavernous spaces. Changing mood and colour of the room I was in. I had a quite chilled and nostalgic feeling. But not what I’d call a real trip.

Over the next few months, I got better at dosing. I have never eaten shroooms, I always do a tea.

I built my doses up carefully over the next few weeks and months. The trips got sort of stronger, I seemed to go further, obviously helped by taking a correct amount of psilocybin, but I never really got to that “psychedelic headspace”. You all know what I mean. I built up my doses to approximately maximum doses of 8.9g dried golden teacher and 7.5g dried Psilocybe Semilanceata (Liberty Cap) mushrooms. This last liberty cap experience kicked in for the first time in a big, big way. I had strong CEVs and OEVs, and the music was breathtaking. But the next day one of my two labradors died, and this fucked me up for almost a year.

It took me 5 months to get to that point.

Take care,
DJ Ed


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“It’s like when you see a mountain lion,” he suggested. “If you run, it will chase you. So you must stand your ground.”
Michael Pollan: How To Change Your Mind

“The problem is not to find the answer, it’s to face the answer.”
Terence McKenna



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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26409758 - 12/31/19 06:37 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

I've enjoyed reading your posts and noticed many similarities between our experiences. I credit psilocybin (both the experiences I had from tripping, and the hobby that developed as I learned how to grow/forage them) for helping me understand the fundamental causes of my depression and the necessary steps needed to navigate out of it. I also agree that SSRI's, SNRI's, and the many other anti depressant medications are dangerously under researched and come with a myriad of undesirable effects. They are in no capacity a longterm fix, and the continued use of them seems to just create more issues.

All that aside, anti depressants quite literally have saved lives and while we must be critical of them, we shouldn't deny their ability to temporarily alleviate suffering. I can't speak to the longterm use of it, but every therapist I've ever talked to advertises them as short term tools to sustain a person and their will to live. I imagine the experience of being on them for so long can become incredibly difficult, and I can't even start to imagine the discontinuation symptoms associated with such longterm use. I just really needed to stress how difficult the transition can be and suggest ways to minimize the pain, I love all you shroomery peeps and wish us all the best of physical and mental health.

Thank you for your additions to this thread Ed, you're a kind soul and I wish you a great 2020


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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: WASTE]
    #26409762 - 12/31/19 06:40 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Also, heres a worthwhile video that I found helpful. Take care everyone!



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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: WASTE]
    #26409799 - 12/31/19 07:13 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Thank you for your kind words, always appreciated 👊🏻

I absolutely agree, anti-depressants, and more specifically SSRIs, saved my life. I was crying while cycling home from work early. I was crying because I knew this time it was actually going to happen. I worked out the best way was to hang myself by strapping a noose from a timber in the attic through the loft hatch. It all made sense to me. I’d dreamed about this since I was about 8 years old. So many times. So many times throughout my life I have thought up cruel punishments for people,, and my get out of jail free card was that I was going to kill myself!

So you are absolutely right, WASTE. SSRIs do have a valid place in current medical knowledge and treatment. They saved me seriously from hanging. Not trying to score sympathy points here, I’m 53 years old and too old for that sympathy shit, I am genuinely grateful for SSRIs. Turns out my wife rang my neighbour, who let herself in ,,saw me hanging ther and rang the ambulance, and hey presto the rest is history!

But I would stress a few important points about SSRIs:
They have serious side effects.
The worst serious side effects occur when you start taking SSRIs
These include increased probability of suicide 😱😱😱😱😱😱

The only mitigating factor, and obviously this psychology worked for me,, is that when you start taking them you get some hope that things are going to improve and you put up with the temporary side effects. I would try to impress upon anybody reading this where it strikes a chord: SSRI medication can really help when the chips are really down. But please only ever consider them as a short term solution, whatever your doctor tells you. As soon as you feel somewhere back in control of your life, spend all of your energy on coming up with an alternative remedy and weaning yourself off the SSRIs.

Hope this helps,
DJ Ed.


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Michael Pollan: How To Change Your Mind

“The problem is not to find the answer, it’s to face the answer.”
Terence McKenna



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