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Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened
#26406299 - 12/29/19 12:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay, just cultivated my first flush of shrooms, B+ strain, and ate them fresh off the cake last night. They weighed 40g fresh and I was hoping that would be enough for a good trip. I've had shrooms before (long time ago but still) so I knew what to expect going in....an hour later and still nothing. Two hours more and I figure it was all for nothing, so I go to bed. I mean, NOTHING. No visuals, no visions, no color, no body high, I maybe felt strange for a minute or two and that was it. I grew these damn things myself - so what's up? How could they not contain any psylocybin?
So, end of the day, I spent a lot of time and money on this, it took 5 weeks just for the mycelium to grow in, I carefully monitored the conditions each day, etc, so needless to say I'm pretty fucking pissed. I was really hoping to help my depression with this and now that this has been a complete failure I'm more depressed than ever. Fuck me. How does this shit happen?
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
#26406309 - 12/29/19 12:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Did you eat them on an empty stomach? With medium-low doses like that it can happen that you don't trip if you've eaten in the past 6 hours.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: Sellith] 1
#26406330 - 12/29/19 01:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sellith said: Did you eat them on an empty stomach? With medium-low doses like that it can happen that you don't trip if you've eaten in the past 6 hours.
Bullshit. 40 grams wet is not a low dose. If you don't feel anything, you just have shitty shrooms regardless of whether you ate something or not.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: godtortures]
#26406394 - 12/29/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bummer doooode!
You should’ve been floored.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
#26406474 - 12/29/19 02:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You know, actually if you really did find a strain of cubes that doesn't produce psilocybin, that would be huge. People would want to cultivate that. It'd make a decent edible mushroom, maybe not the best, but decent and unique.
Anyway, what medications are you taking? Sometimes medications can interfere with tripping. My main advice would just be to try growing again. Some mushrooms are weaker than others, it's possible that your mushrooms were just so weak that they effectively contained no actives.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: nooneman]
#26406529 - 12/29/19 03:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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your scale is broken... Take a nickel and weigh it, report back how much your scale says it weighs.
Other than that you didn't grow cubes, absolutely nothing from 40g fresh is unlikely. Even if your shrooms are 95% water that is still 2g, you should have felt something.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow] 1
#26406551 - 12/29/19 03:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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thelubbelow said: Okay, just cultivated my first flush of shrooms, B strain, and ate them fresh off the cake last night. They weighed 40g fresh and I was hoping that would be enough for a good trip. I've had shrooms before (long time ago but still) so I knew what to expect going in....an hour later and still nothing. Two hours more and I figure it was all for nothing, so I go to bed. I mean, NOTHING. No visuals, no visions, no color, no body high, I maybe felt strange for a minute or two and that was it. I grew these damn things myself - so what's up? How could they not contain any psylocybin?
So, end of the day, I spent a lot of time and money on this, it took 5 weeks just for the mycelium to grow in, I carefully monitored the conditions each day, etc, so needless to say I'm pretty fucking pissed. I was really hoping to help my depression with this and now that this has been a complete failure I'm more depressed than ever. Fuck me. How does this shit happen?
I am only guessing, dude , but from the limited information in your post, I would guess that you are still taking SSRI medication, or have recently come off SSRI medication. You may be like me: 50% of people can trip ok while taking SSRIs, 50% need to miss a couple of SSRI doses. Or you may be like me, a very small percentage of people who need to be COMPLETELY OFF SSRIs before they can trip. It took me 5 months after stopping medication before I tripped properly.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: DJ Ed] 1
#26408085 - 12/30/19 04:23 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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That is a very interesting point - I am still taking SSRI's, 100mg/day Zoloft and 150mg/day Effexor. Last time I tripped I hadn't ever been on them before (life was soooooo gooood back then!!). Ha.
I had wondered if there would be any interaction with the shrooms, but didn't expect to feel pretty much nothing. Then again, I feel nothing all the time now anyway soooooo....yeah.
Guess I'll try and get off them for a few months, then try again. Another cake has fruited quite a bit so I'll pick them today and dry them out for now and try later once off these things and report back...almost threw away the whole kit in frustration but this is a good point. Thanks-
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
#26408128 - 12/30/19 04:45 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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Didn’t Zoloft have a lawsuit? It’s prob generic or something...
Are we allowed to suggest flushing all the Zoloft?
What an awesome transition, quitting Zoloft to pick up this! Hell yes.
We’re tou gonna do 40g fresh your first time???
You might wanna start with like 10-20g fresh lol if you’re not experienced or simply do not know how much is a lot for you. For some people 5g is ALOT for others it’s not so much. You should know this about yourself before doing 40 g fresh
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow] 2
#26408161 - 12/30/19 05:10 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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thelubbelow said: That is a very interesting point - I am still taking SSRI's, 100mg/day Zoloft and 150mg/day Effexor.
Can damn near guarantee those medications are why you didn't feel anything .
Even if you did feel a little something, and for some folks on SSRIs/SNRIs they can still feel some effects from psychedelics or even still have a trip but they need relatively large doses...but even if you were one of those people and did feel some effect, I feel those medications will stand in the way of receiving any substantial benefit one might get from mushrooms/psychedelics.
You'll have to make the choice....I've heard it takes at least a couple to a few weeks before psychedelics can work at their "full potential" after one has stopped taking their SSRI....And tapering down the dose might be best rather than just stopping entirely at once . Maybe talk to your doc about the best way to quit taking your meds or search around online for posts/threads/articles from other folks that have stopped taking similar medications and how they went about it.
I'm curious....How long have you been taking those medications and have you noticed any benefit from them? Any side effects?..I'm just always curious about people's experiences with such meds.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: openmind]
#26408260 - 12/30/19 06:27 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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How do magic mushroom interact with such medications? I don’t understand the happening to this.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: WhoManBeing] 1
#26408276 - 12/30/19 06:41 PM (4 years, 30 days ago) |
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SSRIs interact with seratonin uptake. So do the classic pychs. They conflict with each other.
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I think the scale is okay...just put a nickel on it and it came out at 5g...is that accurate? For whether they were cubes or not, all I can tell you is I bought a syringe of the B+ spores from (edited out). See below for a picture of them, just before consumption....do those look like cubes or did I receive something else from those guys? Failing that, it's possible my medication interacted with them, effectively crossing out the effects...seems strange that I would feel nothing, though. Anyways, let me know your thoughts...thanks all.

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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: openmind] 2
#26408433 - 12/30/19 08:31 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Thanks for the post OM.
I've been on the Zoloft (actually, the generic form, Sertraline) for over 5 years now (SSRI)...then added the Effexor (Venaflaxine, an SNRI) mid last year.
About the effects, I can say they are very subtle but the main thing is, while they do raise up the floor of how bad you can feel, they also lower the ceiling on how good you can feel. The biggest thing is that I don't think about dying as much when I'm on these meds. But on my best day, I basically feel nothing, which really sucks cause I used to feel good all of the time and I guess life just beat it out of me over the years, but I still remember what it was like to not be majorly depressed all the time and I miss the good times, a lot.
That said, I think I'll lower the dose over the coming weeks and months until I'm off it, then try this again. It's certainly a risk, but a calculated one at any rate, given the possible benefit I can get from these mushrooms over the small benefit I currently receive from these anti-depressants, vs a full-on depression episode from not being on them in the interim...but generally speaking, you do have to suffer when climbing a mountain but the views at the end are always worth it, this might just be my price of admission.
Of course, the shrooms themselves that I grew could just be complete shit and this will all be for nothing...as a back-up I'll order a a few more different strains from (edited out), grow them and that way at least I'll have something to test against the initial control group. Ha. Scientific method and all that. Stay tuned, wish me luck - thanks all -
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
#26408437 - 12/30/19 08:33 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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thelubbelow said: I think the scale is okay...just put a nickel on it and it came out at 5g...is that accurate? For whether they were cubes or not, all I can tell you is I bought a syringe of the B+ spores from premium spores dot com. See below for a picture of them, just before consumption....do those look like cubes or did I receive something else from those guys? Failing that, it's possible my medication interacted with them, effectively crossing out the effects...seems strange that I would feel nothing, though. Anyways, let me know your thoughts...thanks all.


Well you answered both my concerns; Your scale is acurate and you have cubensis so... yes, whatever medication you are on is the issue.
I have little knowledge in this area, but from what i do know its not recommended to take psychedelic while on an SSRI. When i was researching this(it has been nearly a decade) the main concerns were that it could cause serotonin syndrome.
There are some accounts that have popped up through the years of people that have successfully tripped while on these medications, but why risk it?
If you've done the work to grow out your cubes, lay off you meds for whatever time is recommended(i would say 3-7 days,but i don't have any experience with SSRIs) then take your dose and resume your medication afterwards.
BUT... you grew cubes out and in the ~2 months it took you never came across anything about the SSRI/Psychedelic issue? Or never thought about looking if it was safe to take psychedelics while on an antidepressant?
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You know, I actually did look into it...
Unfortunately, there is very little research out there suggesting one way or the other, most likely due to psilocybin being classified as a schedule 1 drug. However, politics and beliefs aside, the main thing they caution against is *possible* serotonin syndrome and that is a "maybe" in this case - I mention that because it is well-known that you absolutely NEED to be off SSRIs if you are to take something like Ayahuasca - it has been documented that serotonin syndrome is a very high risk when combining these two. But with mushroooms, it seems the jury is out on this, or at least it is a very low risk, so with that information I thought it was safe to go for it.
I can tell you this: I did NOT experience serotonin syndrome after I ate those 40g of fresh B+. I have not read anywhere about there being a complete cancellation of effects on this combination. So, at the very least, I can post here and say this happened to me, and maybe further research will come out (hopefully) on this, but for now I'll just have to be a single data point. Has anyone else experienced this? Would be interested to know if I'm in the minority or if this is happens a lot. Thanks all-
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
#26408523 - 12/30/19 09:51 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Yikes then, good luck bud. Your walking a dangerous path. Whether or not a drug combo has the possibility of hurting you, damaging you permanently, killing you, or being the best time of your life. It would be wise to abstain from all other drugs(yes your antidepressant is a drug) before trying to introduce a new one. Not only is this safer, but it allows you to judge what this new substance actually does to you with zero tolerance and no other drugs to cloud the experience.
I wouldn't risk it man, but you do as you will do, which is as you please. You didn't experience serotonin syndrome, we can see that, does not make that combo safe. Worse is i fear you'll think your cubes are weak and when you decide to take a break from the SSRI to see if that is the issue, you will dose heavy and end up worse off.
40g wet is a damn good starting dose, until you let the ssri get out of your system i would not go higher.
I'd rather not give advice to anyone battling depression as that is such a broad diagnosis, but i will as you have already grown the mushrooms and are going to experiment with them either way.
You say you get a "small benefit" from the SSRI correct? so why not take a short break(3-7 days). If your symptoms become worse i would stop this experiment. After a decent break try 2-3.5g dried (20-35g wet) and see how it goes. Go from there and see how you feel and check back in as others here can and will help you and let you know if you should stop or seek help.
Mushrooms will for sure help you with your death thoughts. It might not make them go away or even less frequent, but they just might put it in perspective.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow]
#26408690 - 12/31/19 02:06 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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1. Broken scale
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2. Broken shrooms
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: thelubbelow] 1
#26408742 - 12/31/19 04:15 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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thelubbelow said: That is a very interesting point - I am still taking SSRI's, 100mg/day Zoloft and 150mg/day Effexor. Last time I tripped I hadn't ever been on them before (life was soooooo gooood back then!!). Ha.
I had wondered if there would be any interaction with the shrooms, but didn't expect to feel pretty much nothing. Then again, I feel nothing all the time now anyway soooooo....yeah.
Guess I'll try and get off them for a few months, then try again. Another cake has fruited quite a bit so I'll pick them today and dry them out for now and try later once off these things and report back...almost threw away the whole kit in frustration but this is a good point. Thanks-
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I was only guessing at first, thelubbelow,but now you have confirmed to me this is what has happened with you. You are experiencing EXACTLY what I experienced three and a half years ago. So listen up, pal, here’s what I found out from both my research into this and from personal experience; hope it helps:
Firstly I would recommend checking out the following drug interaction table: Reddit Drug Interaction Table. You will see that there is no danger of an interaction between psilocybin (and LSD) and SSRIs. If anything, it will reduce the effect of the mushrooms.
I had been on SSRIs for over 7 years for depression treatment; 2 years on citalopram (60mg) then 5 years on Sertraline (USA - Zoloft) 100mg. After a few failed attempts to wean myself under the doctors care, I decided to go it alone! I tapered off from 100mg to 50mg for a week then 25mg for the next week, then 25mg every other day for the third week, then 0g. It was after a few days of ZERO SSRIs that I took my first psilocybin dose in over 30 years. I did not trip.....
I had been experiencing life exactly as you seem to be describing it; yes they help with the lows, but part of this flattening out of emotions also robs you of any positive feelings. The first couple of years I was euphoric and couldn’t stop laughing at work (was really hard work actually), but then life just became an existence. For example, I went to a Muse concert in Manchester, a band I had wanted to see live for years: I did not get excited one bit, and if anything getting the bus into Manchester was a chore! It was only afterwards I realised I had actually enjoyed the concert!
Then I started doing research. I started finding all sorts of troubling facts about SSRIs. There are reported links between say some of the high school mass shootings in schools in America - there are “tenuous” links that blame SSRIs for the culprits losing it and killing. It then became apparent that SSRIs were developed when the FDA banned research into LSD!! I found the research with psychedelics and this inspired me to “go it alone”. So I tapered off myself in three weeks, as above, then as a matter of courtesy went back to my GP to let him know I was off, and to discuss all the latest research. He then said something that blew me away: “Paul, you were never meant to be on these SSRIs long term!”
A few years prior to that conversation, he had told me the drugs only cost him pennies, he explained they corrected the flow of serotonin in my brain from random to one direction, then said there were no issues with me being on them for the rest of my life! I nearly punched him before walking out!
So yeah going back to tripping, I did not get to the psychedlic headspace with mushrooms until I had been on 0g SSRIs for 5 months! I don’t want to demotivate you buddy, as most of the advice says you’ll be fine after abstaining from SSRIs for a couple of weeks. I would disagree, from my own personal experience only.
I feel your pain, brother, I truly do. But you need to get off the SSRIs completely. I managed the gap between medication and pysilocybin, by learning to grow mushrooms. The first three months I had such a steep learning curve that my mind was kept occupied. The mental withdrawal was manageable, through some of the side effects were horrible: the so-called “brain zaps” really were nasty. Felt like my head was swimming, especially when I moved, for months and months.
Stick with it brother. By all means, PM me.
I didn’t get anybody else explicitly telling me to do what I was doing, so even though I had done at least 12mmonths research, I was still nervous of the potential for a drug interaction. But I really was desperate to get off the SSRIs so took the plunge regardless. I hope this gives you some confidence that what I’m telling you is for real.
I have had a couple of spells in the last 3.5 years where I have abstained from mushrooms for almost a year (various reasons - dog died, then a challenging trip kept me away for a While), but no matter how bad I can feel, it will never be bad enough for me to go back on anti-depressants. I had one quite deep trip last November 2018, where I travelled back in time into my 20 year old Hawkwind following brain. I dedicated the whole trip to understanding my depression, and what the mushrooms taught me was quite deep: DEPRESSION IS A CHOICE. My depression was actually made worse my a mad couple of years before SSRIs where I self-medicated with MDMA! I believe this has done permanent damage to my neurons, but even so, I would never choose to “take the easy option” and go back on SSRI medication.
Self medicate with an organic natural medication: psilocybin. For the last few months, I have been maintaining discipline, and tripping every two weeks, regardless of personal circumstance or feelings. I have stuck to 3.7 - 3.8g dried P.S. Cubensis B+, and I have been having very intense and rewarding trips. The after-glow is lasting a week, then the next week I am kept busy planning the next trip. Seems to be working for me now. So yes your 40g wet cubensis is probably equivalent to my 3.8g dry. Did you say you’d grown Golden Techers? The photographs of them look fine; get them cracker dry, into bags with mini-bags ofndessicant, and freeze them - they will be perfectly fine in a few months still - I have stuff in the freezer that is 3 years old and still potent! Stick it out brother and great psychedlic experiences await you.
Good luck brother, and mush love.
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Re: Ate 40g fresh and NOTHING happened [Re: DJ Ed]
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The lubbelow, the Shroomery - you may have to visit the reddit site to get a clear version of the table. When I follow the link, it stays blurry.
If you’re struggling search google for “drug interaction table psilocybin” then follow the link to Reddit.
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