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early stages of cowbeb?
#26406114 - 12/29/19 10:51 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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hello there
shoebox with hpoo and verm, made a thin layer of mixture above the spawn yo keep humidity and all.
3 days from spawn i check it out and see a couple of light white patches over the surface. i took it out with a sanitized spoon. afterwards i misted a little and the beads formed in a previously invisible thin web as can be seen here:

there're some small patches of myc, and a slight change in the "whiteness" of the substrate, caused by the misting:

hope the quality of the pics are enough. bad cellphone :P
it's cobweb isn't it? i have to throw it away, don't i?
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Re: early stages of cowbeb? [Re: embrollo]
#26406160 - 12/29/19 11:21 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Too early to tell in my opinion. Keep and eye on it and keep us posted. If itβs cobweb it will spread fast.
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 Is this cobweb or just myc pushing thru the substrate
 Please help the noob lol
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Re: early stages of cowbeb? [Re: Bernamac]
#26411034 - 01/01/20 02:21 PM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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I canβt enlarge those pictures to get a good look at them because they seem to have been deleted
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Re: early stages of cowbeb? [Re: embrollo]
#26412128 - 01/02/20 09:07 AM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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embrollo said: hello there
shoebox with hpoo and verm, made a thin layer of mixture above the spawn yo keep humidity and all.
3 days from spawn i check it out and see a couple of light white patches over the surface. i took it out with a sanitized spoon. afterwards i misted a little and the beads formed in a previously invisible thin web as can be seen here:

there're some small patches of myc, and a slight change in the "whiteness" of the substrate, caused by the misting:

hope the quality of the pics are enough. bad cellphone :P
it's cobweb isn't it? i have to throw it away, don't i? 
just wanted to say that everything went well..those "threads" where definetly something else growing there, but after i just took out the patches that loooked more developed, the myc took over fine
pics:
day 5 from spawn: i sanitized a spoon and removed some more patches of contam.


day 7 from spawn:


close up on myc:

i think the danger is gone and it's time to introduce some FAE
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Re: early stages of cowbeb? [Re: embrollo]
#26413335 - 01/02/20 09:36 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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The danger has passed as soon as you have fully colonized spawn. When you open the jar to spawn it youre exposing it to non sterile conditions and ahould also introduce fresh air exchange because the mushrooms need oxygen and fresh air to thrive.
Pin molds and cobwebs thrive in stagnant stale moist air, cubensis myc prefers the most air it can get without the substrate drying out.
Also The whole substrate is almost certainly also colonized with whatever that contaminant myc is.(if that is indeed a contaminant, your pics are kinda small and hard for me to tell) Might still fruit but those types of mold spread really fast, and if even a microscopic piece breaks off it can start a new colony,
If you want help troubleshooting for your next project answer these qβs
How did you prepare your bulk substrate?
What was your spawn? Got any pictures?
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Re: early stages of cowbeb? [Re: AyePlus]
#26413378 - 01/02/20 09:59 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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Iβve had cobweb multiple times and if you catch it early on you can spray out the areas with hydrogen peroxide. Iβve had 70/30 success rate of stoping the cobweb from spread with h2o2 and FAE
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Re: early stages of cowbeb? [Re: AyePlus]
#26413787 - 01/03/20 07:46 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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AyePlus said: The danger has passed as soon as you have fully colonized spawn. When you open the jar to spawn it youre exposing it to non sterile conditions and ahould also introduce fresh air exchange because the mushrooms need oxygen and fresh air to thrive.
Pin molds and cobwebs thrive in stagnant stale moist air, cubensis myc prefers the most air it can get without the substrate drying out.
hm..i thought that through the first days of a bulk grow FAE should be limited so the spawn concentrates in fully colonizing the substrate! so it's a tension between right growth conditions and avoiding contam..?
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AyePlus said: If you want help troubleshooting for your next project answer these qβs
How did you prepare your bulk substrate?
What was your spawn? Got any pictures?
the bulk is vermiculite and PC'd horse poo i don't quite remember the ratios..i think it was 2:2:2: verm:hpoo:spawn
i put a think layer of verm+hpoo to avoid the sub from drying up to quicky.
ALSO i've realized that i tend to set thin substrates (this one is only 1,5 inches thick) i'll see to modify this in the future, since i keep getting problems with humidity and sub dryness.
thes pawn where 2 yamani rice jars that where a bit overcooked and where a bit too humid. half of the jars colonized fine and the other part got a little bacterial (lots of metabolites)
i spooned almost 3/4 of each of the jars.
pics from yesterday:



there's some bacterial contam beneath:


but i trust the little brothers will handle 
thanks for the feedback!!!
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Re: early stages of cowbeb? [Re: embrollo]
#26413812 - 01/03/20 08:08 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Welcome!! And Good luck on your grow.
How did you prepare the poo though?
Iβve never heard of someone using 1:1 poo:verm substrate, except for when people get confused about damion5050βs coir tek. Might wanna cut the amount of verm way down.
And no, limiting FAE after spawning isnβt beneficial. Thatβs outdated information.
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Re: early stages of cowbeb? [Re: feldman114]
#26413906 - 01/03/20 09:02 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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Bingo, Hpoo needs to be pasteurized. If you PC it, the thermophilic organisms that keep it from beingnoverrun by contaminants will be destroyed.
Thats why its contaminated.
The spawn will fully colonize before fruiting, if it is healthy and fully colonized before spawning (and the bulk sub is prepared properly, there will be no contamination issues. The only issie that comes with having an open tub is drying out and thatxis easily fixed with a misting.
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Re: early stages of cowbeb? [Re: AyePlus]
#26418401 - 01/05/20 09:03 PM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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feldman114 said:
Iβve never heard of someone using 1:1 poo:verm substrate, except for when people get confused about damion5050βs coir tek. Might wanna cut the amount of verm way down.
the only substrates i have avaliable in my area are hpoo and verm...coir is extremely expensive when i live and i can't afford it =(
i'been growing in pure verm..i read that it isn't optimal but the mushies will grow (and they had <3)
i got my hands in hpoo and i figured that a mixture of the two whas the best i could do...it's better to use pure hpoo? why are you saying to cut down and not to remove completely the verm from the mix??
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AyePlus said: Bingo, Hpoo needs to be pasteurized. If you PC it, the thermophilic organisms that keep it from beingnoverrun by contaminants will be destroyed.
Thats why its contaminated.
The spawn will fully colonize before fruiting, if it is healthy and fully colonized before spawning (and the bulk sub is prepared properly, there will be no contamination issues. The only issie that comes with having an open tub is drying out and thatxis easily fixed with a misting.
the contamination seems to have been controlled by the mushies!! so it is that....
IT'S PINNING LIKE CRAZY


about the hpoo preparation..i just read that it must be kept at 140-160 (farenheit i suppose?) for 1-1:30 hs..luckily it turned alright for me anyways...i pc'd the hpoo in jars at field capacity for 1:30 hs...can anyone risk an explanation to my success? was it just luck? who knows!
aaand i have a question...
this corner of the shoebox has a clearly distinct growth pattern:

and it has less pins...why do you think that corner may behaved different?

i'm really happy whith this shoebox!
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Re: early stages of cowbeb? [Re: embrollo]
#26418492 - 01/05/20 10:15 PM (4 years, 24 days ago) |
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You got lucky. And we have yet to see just how successfull you really are, sure looks like youβre gonna get some mushrooms and I hope you do but I guarantee youβll have better results if you follow those directions. Pasteurization leaves a small group of βthermophilicβ organisms that survive the heat and make your substrate resistant to contamination without competing with the mushrooms.
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Re: early stages of cowbeb? [Re: AyePlus]
#26418946 - 01/06/20 08:38 AM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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Most sub recipes call for 20% verm. Poo is better than coir anyway. Just pasteurize next time.
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