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Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe?-Hypholoma marginatum
    #26406111 - 12/29/19 10:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Goodmorning folks !
I have some interesting mushrooms I’m trying to ID here south of Portland Oregon.  I’ve watched them grow for the past month (December) I was immediately attracted to them due to their Carmel Caps, white stems shape and robust nature. I thought they might be a Psilocybe I haven’t seen growing , but after seeing chocalate brown spore prints on some caps , and did not see any blue bruising I wasn’t so sure that they were Psilocybe. Then today I was back in the area and saw some MUCH darker spore prints on a few caps so I’m not so sure. I’m a bit color challenged so brown , purple brown and black are very hard for me to distinguish.

They are growing in Bark chips in a cultivated garden, December in the PNW

Gills: are white and darken when they begin to drop spores , spores are chocolate brown to dark brown/black

Stem:
White when young  , robust

Cap: caramel when most , straw when dry ,  hygrophanous, convex to concave spending on age for 1/4 inch - 2 inches depending on age

Spore print color: young and small specimens -chocolate brown
large mature specimens have dark brown- to black prints


Bruising: none

Im sorry about the pics being sideways trying to figure out how ti correct that






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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26406130 - 12/29/19 11:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)



Official Prints on the way


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26406172 - 12/29/19 11:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Your photos are too small and too blurry to be able to make a good id, although the one that shows the stem is definitely not a Psilocybe. You are going to need to post up better pics to identify the others.


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Gravity]
    #26406174 - 12/29/19 11:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks, I just upped the image size, I hope that helps


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26406252 - 12/29/19 12:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You may have a mixed collection AND your in situ photos are still too small. 

Psilocybe mushrooms will have white stems.  Your in situ photos appear to show white stems.  But then your photo of the 3 on the table appear to have dark brown stems.

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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26406328 - 12/29/19 01:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Gravity]
    #26406335 - 12/29/19 01:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I don’t think I have a mixed collection, though it is possible , the stems are white when young and I find the Azures and Cyans I regularly pick and grow in my garden start off with white stems that often darken and  turn black as they age but your right these mushrooms stems darken earlier than Azures for example


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26406464 - 12/29/19 02:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe something like pholiota???


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: azramb]
    #26406648 - 12/29/19 05:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

P. vernalis or P. mutablils look close


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26406720 - 12/29/19 06:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Psilocybe


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26406724 - 12/29/19 06:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
Psilocybe



Or that lol.


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26407659 - 12/30/19 11:43 AM (4 years, 30 days ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
Psilocybe



Thank you for taking a look :smile:

Oviods maybe?


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26407754 - 12/30/19 12:56 PM (4 years, 30 days ago)

Maybe, check the cystidia shape with a microscope at 400x.


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26407797 - 12/30/19 01:32 PM (4 years, 30 days ago)

Thank you!


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26408447 - 12/30/19 08:43 PM (4 years, 30 days ago)

More pics for further opinions or thoughts , if I can get a print under a microscope I’ll update the thread.



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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: jjayf]
    #26408612 - 12/30/19 11:23 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Hypholoma marginatum


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: pyrolight]
    #26408619 - 12/30/19 11:38 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Expounding on Alan's idea of Psilocybe, could it be P. cyanofibrillosa?


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Doug295]
    #26408676 - 12/31/19 01:32 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

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Expounding on Alan's idea of Psilocybe, could it be P. cyanofibrillosa?





It's a bit too far south for that - as pyrolight said, it's Hypholoma marginatum.


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26409097 - 12/31/19 10:24 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Thank you gentlemen,
When I looked up Hypholoma Marginatum the first description  I found started with:

" A rarely found mushroom , found in evergreen forests of England and Europe growing in pine needles"

I thought how unlikely it could be the correct ID based on that alone. Then I looked at the Mushroom Observer and the west coast of the U.S. is FULL of observations !

That explains the Psilocybe like spore print and other macroscopic similarities to Psilocybe but the complete lack of bruising. Interestingly they taste a bit similar to Psilocybe ...(yes I spit out the bit I chewed). The stems do have a very distinct pattern.

Im ordering a microscope, this mushroom has shown me that I need to get to the next level in my ID tools


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26410337 - 01/01/20 02:18 AM (4 years, 28 days ago)

Hypholoma marginatum. :ooo::thumbdown::eek:

https://www.first-nature.com/fungi/hypholoma-marginatum.php


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Psilocybe




Alan, was this a mistake? Why would you post Psilocybe on a Hypholoma?
The majority of training mushroom hunters rely on your identifications & it totally shook up my heartstrings just now seeing you MISIDENTIFY. :n00bslayer:

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Hypholoma marginatum




Thank you pyrolight for the correct ID.:rolleyes:
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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: shroomguy087]
    #26410509 - 01/01/20 06:48 AM (4 years, 28 days ago)

1st I want to say that Alan Rockefeller is one of the best when it comes to identification of gilled mushrooms from pictures alone.

However,  identification of mushrooms through pictures is extremely difficult and mistakes will happen, even professional mycologist will make mistakes when identifying mushrooms from pictures with limited information. I had a disclaimer about this in my signature for a long time because it is ultimately up to you to be sure that you are receiving an accurate identification.  We have the Trusted Identifier tag because we have demonstrated an ability to accurately identify fungi, it's not something that is just given to anyone, but it doesn't mean that we are perfect and don't make mistakes. This is a great example of why having to much confidence in someone can be a problem and why we must take responsibility for ourselves and be sure that you are receiving accurate information.

If I have something that I want to eat and I am not certain, I will post it on a few different sites to make sure that everyone is saying the same thing, but if at any time I have any doubts whatsoever I will throw them out, no matter what anyone else says or how sure I was when it was picked.

It is very important to post clear up close pictures of the cap, gills and stem,  without all 3 mistakes will happen. Even with all 3 mistakes can happen because we are human. Identification of mushrooms with them in your hand is easy to miss important characteristics, many experienced foragers have made mistakes simply because they glanced at something and they thought they recognized it.

Don't let this shake your confidence in Trusted identifiers, but do keep in mind that we are human and will occasionally make a mistake and you must be sure that we are correct before eating anything.


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Doc9151]
    #26410597 - 01/01/20 08:44 AM (4 years, 28 days ago)

:whathesaid:

Misidentifications happen all the time, sometimes even with the most skilled identifiers.

It all boils down to the available amount of relevant data. Pictures are of course crucial
for identification, but then it's also up to the photographer to know what to look for when
taking the pictures.


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26410782 - 01/01/20 11:23 AM (4 years, 28 days ago)

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It all boils down to the available amount of relevant data. Pictures are of course crucial
for identification, but then it's also up to the photographer to know what to look for when
taking the pictures.



Definitely true, close ups of each part of the mushroom make it easier for anyone trying to ID. Often people photograph more of a wide shot of their mushrooms and it can be kind of hard to tell specific features that way. I also find that when I post on identification forums it helps the ID'er if I give a detailed written description of what I'm seeing personally. Sometimes things don't always look exactly how they do in real life from a photograph.


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Re: Tigard Or , Galerina? Psilocybe? [Re: azramb]
    #26411634 - 01/01/20 10:29 PM (4 years, 27 days ago)

I for one appreciate everyones contribution to this thread especially Alans. There is a reason I posted another set of clearer pictures, and wasn't taking any mycelium cultures until I had a solid ID. Besides according to my reading during this educational journey many Hypholoma have been shifted in and out of the Psilocybe genus.


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