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Anonymous #2

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26395328 - 12/22/19 10:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

That's not going to happen.

The most damage a sociopath does, is people believing in them and not seeing them as the lost cause they'll forever be.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26395337 - 12/22/19 10:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
That's not going to happen.

The most damage a sociopath does, is people believing in them and not seeing them as the lost cause they'll forever be.




Lol do you even hear yourself? How melodramatic are you? Reality isnt this interesting.

Wake up to yourself.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26395348 - 12/22/19 10:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Lol dude you are an irritant.

At least some sociopaths make history.  But you are not really against anything important. You are another bum that wants to be powerful, not knowing his limits.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26395471 - 12/22/19 11:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Anon #1 - I started out not liking you so much, but now I'm leaning a little in your direction on this discussion.

Facts: Everyone lies, some a little, some a lot.  Some lie big and some lie small...regardless everyone lies


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Anonymous #3

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26395581 - 12/22/19 12:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
I'm arrogant. I am literally choosing to act this way for self improvement and I've said this over and over.



You're a nasty piece of work right now. You can change that at any time you want but I can't engage any further with someone who regurgitates the shitty rhetoric that you do.

I hope you get better.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #26395870 - 12/22/19 03:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #3 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
I'm arrogant. I am literally choosing to act this way for self improvement and I've said this over and over.



You're a nasty piece of work right now. You can change that at any time you want but I can't engage any further with someone who regurgitates the shitty rhetoric that you do.

I hope you get better.






"And you keep bringing up that I'm arrogant. I am literally choosing to act this way for self improvement and I've said this over and over. It is a style of belief I got from Ayn Rand."


Ahah did you just misquote me intentionally to make your argument? That is hysterical. You have NO Shame.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26395928 - 12/22/19 04:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

That's not what she is talking about.  She's not talking about some negative way of getting what you want out of abusing people.  She's simply saying that these things are required to not be treated like shit by life.

Which is plainly obvious to anyone that has gone without a lot of security in life.

What you do is take security for people, for very small gains. 

Although she does seem to have taken to American red hysteria quite well.  I think her books would have been different, if she remained in Russia.  It's difficult to write and publish from the Gulags.


Edited by Anonymous (12/22/19 04:37 PM)


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Anonymous #1

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #26395962 - 12/22/19 04:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
That's not what she is talking about.  She's not talking about some negative way of getting what you want out of abusing people.  She's simply saying that these things are required to not be treated like shit by life.





What things are required?




Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
What you do is take security for people, for very small gains. 





What am I doing?


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Anonymous #1

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26404164 - 12/28/19 07:06 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Just a thought I had today.

I wonder if throughout my life I developed reactionary responses and mannerisms that require me bullshitting to make them work. And now that I'm not bullshitting the reactions are being perceived as deceitful and sparking doubt and making people defensive. Like I am a bad liar and they wonder what I'm lying about.


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Anonymous #7

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26404266 - 12/28/19 08:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This must be how the joker's point of view would be like. I had a friend that acted this way. Everyone in our group would hangout with him knowing he was deceitful and untrustworthy. Just like #3 said in this thread about his friend we'd humour him but know he was fucked up probably from a shit childhood.

He knew he had problems he took antidepressants that didn't seem to help much. He said he lacked emotion and empathy which are key signs of a sociopath. We looked down on him because he would say fucked up shit and we knew he was a damaged individual, functional in society but damaged none the less.  I felt as though he might have problems in relationships on account of his lack of empathy/emotions. I feel sorry for people like this he seemed to want to change but couldn't.

Everyone's different but that's no way to treat others regardless of what you think it's wrong. I can genuinely see the point you're trying to make but that's not what humans are about.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #26404292 - 12/28/19 09:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #7 said:
This must be how the joker's point of view would be like. I had a friend that acted this way. Everyone in our group would hangout with him knowing he was deceitful and untrustworthy. Just like #3 said in this thread about his friend we'd humour him but know he was fucked up probably from a shit childhood.

He knew he had problems he took antidepressants that didn't seem to help much. He said he lacked emotion and empathy which are key signs of a sociopath. We looked down on him because he would say fucked up shit and we knew he was a damaged individual, functional in society but damaged none the less.  I felt as though he might have problems in relationships on account of his lack of empathy/emotions. I feel sorry for people like this he seemed to want to change but couldn't.

Everyone's different but that's no way to treat others regardless of what you think it's wrong. I can genuinely see the point you're trying to make but that's not what humans are about.




I feel like you are hung up on what a lot of people in this thread are hung up on.

I was not being given a pass by super patient people unwilling to burst my bubble. Also they weren't stupid. And when i stopped lying all the time everyone started accusing me of lying.


Why is no one getting that? Lol.

I'm sure there were some people who passed through my life for short periods who were observant while also too kind or too weak to tell me i was a dick.



And FUCK we are like... debating whether or not I was good at it. Thats literally what this boils down to loooool. Fuck me.





I used to lie all the time. I got away with it. I got things my way. I was happy and unaware of other peoples feelings.

I took extreme efforts to 180 degree turn and stop lying. I go so far in not lying that if i shit my pants on accident and i am asked why im leaving the room I will respond "its personal" instead of making up a white lie excuse or saying I shit my pants. I am PSYCHOTICALLY honest. My conversations with people take AGES because I have to explain all these tiny fucking details and second guess everything that might possibly be misconstrued. I well up every single possible spot of doubt with mind-numbing analysis over the most trivial things.

If I say something like "Pizza is my favorite food" I will get trapped in this cycle of "well I kinda like burgers more maybe. No... no pizza. Pizza is my favorite." until eventually I have to end with "Well I dont really know what my favorite food is. I like a lot of food"

To be fucking honest its driving me batshit crazy. And to get called a liar so often now.... i mean fuck.

My brain is literally on the floor before them with ZERO filter and I am moving a fucking magnifying glass around looking at every tiny spot and NOW im a liar? Not before????


Look at this thread LOL. Its coming to fruition right in front of my eyes as I explain that it happens! Its fucking madness hahaha.

What else can I give? Or say?


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Anonymous #6

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26404351 - 12/28/19 09:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You’re either a piece of shit or you aren’t.


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Anonymous #5

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #26406003 - 12/29/19 09:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I feel for you anon1 It's kind of like when someone does drugs and then gets clean, for the first little while no one trusts you or trusts your motives. As to before you get clean or before people knew about the drugs they were ignorant and none the wiser and didn't give you a hard time about anything. Except in your case you haven't been able to earn the trust back, even when you are brutally honest. I think some people in this thread are taking the chance to virtue signal at your expense instead of actually take the time and think of how shitty it must be. That's why I think you should just do you and if people can't trust you then it's not your problem. You can't control what people think of you, and the more you try the less it works. Keep being yourself and if you feel good about what you're doing then that's all you should care about.


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Anonymous #8

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #26406544 - 12/29/19 03:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I don't believe that the op is committed. His post comes off as braggadocios and reveals that he needs people to know that they have their free will because he chooses to allow it. It also reveals that he may believe that people should bend to his desires even though he isnt going to force it. I'm not impressed nor was asked to be, I'm simply saying that this is just another form of mental chess from the op..


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Anonymous #9

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26440527 - 01/18/20 04:57 PM (4 years, 30 days ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
Well to more fully evaluate me I think it is important to note that I follow an ayn rand style of life philosophy




there it is.  there's the problem.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #26446487 - 01/22/20 02:29 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #9 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
Well to more fully evaluate me I think it is important to note that I follow an ayn rand style of life philosophy




there it is.  there's the problem.




I dont think lying is beneficial to you in almost every circumstance.


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Anonymous #10

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26463317 - 02/01/20 09:44 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

I think that we all have a bit of manipulation and desire to control, I know I do and my wife sees it in me also, she use to call me the master manipulator. But, now years later, she understands that it is but a tool I use to to help find consensus or peaceful resolution. If a obese woman asked me if this dress makes her look fat, I will lie and say no, you look nice. So now are we lying and manipulating for a positive reason. I’m consider myself a moral and honest person but one truth I have found is that there isn’t much that is black and white. And op, don’t tell your wife that it’s not the dress making her look fat.....peace


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Anonymous #11

Re: Former Manipulator [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26510462 - 02/29/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I know someone who thinks he's a master at neuro-linguistic programing I've seen him use it on people and be successful but I immediately see though him when he'd try it on me.


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