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StygianKnight
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That, especially if it makes a scratching/grit noise on glass.
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jcm4620
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R.I.P.Zappa said: Don't feel bad Cron, been having the same issue compounding over the last year and exploding since august. In fact I am kinda relieved you are posting this. Gives me a chance to weasel in a confession but of course not glad you may be pulling your hair out too.  The only two variables that have stood out for me from when I was killing it, to now punching mono tubs, have been that it started when I switched to oats and the loss of my wife. My villain this summer has been penicillium but is manageable to get fruits if not welcome compared to the minty smelling green beast but I have been seeing to many plant sprouts on week 2 lately and increasing surface trich on suido coir casing layers on day 4 for the last 2 months. Now I'm pondering how much nutritional crap the coir is being cut with lately on the eco earth brand. 
It is like one step forward and two steps back. Cultures have looked clean as they have before this mess and the ones I have a split second doubt on have been tossed to the back burner for pins because the weak will not survive this current battle campaign. Just in case I've got some really sneaky bacteria; I have done hot pours, sandwiches, brf pucks, keeping the plates in ziplocks, doubling the parafilm and seriously pondering if I have become cursed.
New SFD's longer PC times, new seals, pressure weight, different oat preps, control jars of oats where some held fine others went wet with bacteria after 3 hour pc runs at 15-20 PSI.
After a nice heavy trip last week and pondering, "what the fuck am I missing here and how much more can I tighten up my procedures? I am not a superstitious man but I'm about ready to settle on being cursed at this point and the stress is weighing heavy on me!!" The unstoppable epiphany of, "your grows are reflecting your inner self, " slammed into my mind mid thought of the sentence".
Gotta love them cryptic fucking trip messages. 
Could be true, I aint big on the whole energy mojo thing and your quote has been my guide and reference to successes. Combine that with pasty's and mushboys description of working conditions: "It doesn't matter what I think of you...all that matters is clean spawn". I mean it's no fucking rocket science, clean spawn is healthy spawn. That fucking line has run through my head the last two years during SAB sessions and spawns. Anyways, since my wife died my burning desire to grow has just became a smoldering desire and a chore of love. It feels like one of those relationsships were ya both like the idea of being together but everything else is a messy delusion of the thought. I think the bottom line is that nothing is bright anymore I have not had an honest laugh or smile in over a year outside of the psychedelic experience. A large part of me died with her and It is never comming back. Somtimes I dont even recognize my own self. No amount of drugs will fill the void, no hobby, no amount of work, no amount play will eclipse the void anymore. Only the curiosity of what our species will do next kinda keeps me going and boy do we live in very interesting if not uncertain times as of now. It feels like we are on the pinnacle of a miracle or certain doom and I wanna witness it if the body allows.
Mabye I just don't care anymore and just keep keeping on it because I don't take failure lightly and want to adapt and overcome.
So after my epiphany I have reverted back to WBS for one more shot since all this shit went down after switching to oats. It is the one variable I haven't changed yet. I never wanted to be a oat hater but I am running out of variables to change at this point. Seems like it's that cheap screw that costs more money when ya need a shot of penicillin every month when ya could have just simply hand jobbed yourself. Hope I'm wrong and excel rather than replace in the end cause I love oats, not messy and stupid easy and quick to prep.
I will definently be looking at this thread to see the advise and alternative angles. For me I'm taking my mystical advise from my conscience or what ever it is on taking a break from cultivation and focus on me. I'll just sticking to running cultures. I mean shit, that's just a few hours a week and one of the more fun aspects of the trade. Meanwhile I'll clean up my room all sparkly n shit for piece of mind. Most importantly; to lighten my mind, and time load until I feel it is time to respawn.
Kinda like a good nights sleep and trying again in the morning but more of a macro rest. I got enough dry bones to chew on for quite awhile anyways.  I just hate quitting but a strategic retreat has to be acceptable at this point.
Hope things turn around quick for ya Cronicr.  You would be the last person I would expect to have this issue but then again I would assume everyone has em. As a wiser man once said, no one gives much attention to a person that is unhappy. Misery is abundant commodity in society, every one has it, but when a man is happy others will cross the oceans to learn the secret. 
god damn bro sorry to hear that about your wife my heart goes out to ya there. luckily ya got alot of good ppl here to help ya get thru the bullshit. and as far as your contam problem with the coir goes i also a while back was having a lot of problems with shit going green on me all of a sudden. so just for shits and giggles i bought a big ass cube of coir from the hydro store here and used that instead of my usual and very well trusted eco earth brand and that was about 3 months ago now and i havnt had a problem at all since.(knock on wood) but as mentioned maybe they are adding some shit in there now or their operation has changed in some way ?? who knows ?? but maybe that is something else you could try to switch. but just hang in there man. and as far as your contam issue dont get too down on yourself it happens to us all at one time or another. just remember ya got ppl here that can help ya get thru both issues man and thats more than what some ppl have at all
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: jcm4620] 1
#26401109 - 12/26/19 01:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mold Slayer is my middle name... ain't no way Imma be growing mold up in this bitch.
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jcm4620
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26401123 - 12/26/19 02:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: No I'm not supplementing anything just grain to coir.Quote:
Green_Hands said: But grains have more than enough N for more than a few flushes. More is not always better, more food could mean more contamination, right?
Also, you dont really need to supplement bulk if you use grains as spawn. I never do, only grains and coir.
Your grains look wet.
It's not just N in coffee, I believe there may be hundreds of compounds in coffee. And he said supplementing grains not bulk but I don't do either with cubes, I may put coffee and gypsum in my grains but I'm more likely to drink the coffee and get greedy with it
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jcm4620 said: its like takin the car to the shop cuz its making a noise every time you drive it. but while the mechanic drives it then if dont do shit lol
I asked Cron and you answered me with the most useless shit ever. I think it's you who needs to visit the mechanic to get repaired 
I don't think he answered u lol.
no i didnt answer him nor was even talkin to him it was a joke to u cron on how when ur tryin to grow mold ya cant get it to show its face but any other time itl pop rite up. anyways hejust had to jump at the chance to be a dick thats ok some ppl r like that im not gnna cry over him feeling butt hurt. but dont worry cron that green will show up sooner or later lol it always does eventually
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26403015 - 12/27/19 01:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: No I'm not supplementing anything just grain to coir.Quote:
Green_Hands said: But grains have more than enough N for more than a few flushes. More is not always better, more food could mean more contamination, right?
Also, you dont really need to supplement bulk if you use grains as spawn. I never do, only grains and coir.
Your grains look wet.
It's not just N in coffee, I believe there may be hundreds of compounds in coffee. And he said supplementing grains not bulk but I don't do either with cubes, I may put coffee and gypsum in my grains but I'm more likely to drink the coffee and get greedy with it
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jcm4620 said: its like takin the car to the shop cuz its making a noise every time you drive it. but while the mechanic drives it then if dont do shit lol
I asked Cron and you answered me with the most useless shit ever. I think it's you who needs to visit the mechanic to get repaired 
I don't think he answered u lol.
Ahhh! Missed your comment! I'm trying to de Like what green said. Actually did it with three grows, it's definitely beneficial to add supplements with the grains. I don't have numbers to prove it but it's very clear to me. Tbh the spawn takes longer to colonize but with much thinker and healthier mycelium. I've been ratting information about supplements and yield for different types of mushrooms, it's seems complicated.. the good part is with cubes (and LM) they don't care about how much starch we use (digest slower), simple sugars digest faster (glucose is the fastest) but are toxic after a certain concentration. Trying to find out the equivalent info for nitrogen part.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: jcm4620]
#26403020 - 12/27/19 01:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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jcm4620 said:
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cronicr said: No I'm not supplementing anything just grain to coir.Quote:
Green_Hands said: But grains have more than enough N for more than a few flushes. More is not always better, more food could mean more contamination, right?
Also, you dont really need to supplement bulk if you use grains as spawn. I never do, only grains and coir.
Your grains look wet.
It's not just N in coffee, I believe there may be hundreds of compounds in coffee. And he said supplementing grains not bulk but I don't do either with cubes, I may put coffee and gypsum in my grains but I'm more likely to drink the coffee and get greedy with it
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jcm4620 said: its like takin the car to the shop cuz its making a noise every time you drive it. but while the mechanic drives it then if dont do shit lol
I asked Cron and you answered me with the most useless shit ever. I think it's you who needs to visit the mechanic to get repaired 
I don't think he answered u lol.
no i didnt answer him nor was even talkin to him it was a joke to u cron on how when ur tryin to grow mold ya cant get it to show its face but any other time itl pop rite up. anyways hejust had to jump at the chance to be a dick thats ok some ppl r like that im not gnna cry over him feeling butt hurt. but dont worry cron that green will show up sooner or later lol it always does eventually
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26403117 - 12/27/19 02:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said:
 Ok so my coir is riddled with what I imagine would be salt?
I've seen this alot in my coir I always assumed it was sand particles.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: gizmo1]
#26403131 - 12/27/19 02:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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gizmo1 said:
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cronicr said:
 Ok so my coir is riddled with what I imagine would be salt?
I've seen this alot in my coir I always assumed it was sand particles.
This explains it, it's just sea salt left after washing the Coco with sea water. Some companies use fresh water some don't.. Watch 0:50
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Yeah that's why I assumed salt I've seen the odd piece here and there but this looks like somebody sprinkled meth on my subs
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26403174 - 12/27/19 03:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: Yeah that's why I assumed salt I've seen the odd piece here and there but this looks like somebody sprinkled meth on my subs
Do I smell a new tek? Meth infused sub.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: gizmo1]
#26405324 - 12/28/19 08:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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 As promised, knots appear then this follows lol Hopefully with fresh cultures fresh lids and ditch the coir and we can get back on track( I noted in another thread the leftover coir in my bucket was also showing mold)
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26405345 - 12/28/19 08:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said:
 As promised, knots appear then this follows lol Hopefully with fresh cultures fresh lids and ditch the coir and we can get back on track( I noted in another thread the leftover coir in my bucket was also showing mold)
Nice! Good job man! Such a beautiful emerald green. Can ya send me a print
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Time to switch brands of coir? Frustrating.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: AyePlus]
#26405377 - 12/28/19 08:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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AyePlus said: Time to switch brands of coir? Frustrating.
Oh yeah, yesterday while try to ID the salt in the coir, I came across couple of videos on how it's made, I didn't share them here because it was kinda painful to watch them doing hard labor.. first video they soaked the coir for SIX month in water and leave to decompose. While the second vid they immediately processed it, dried, then packed.
Here's the first one 6 month soak
Second no soak
Here's another one, they soak it for 3 month
I'm guessing that this why some brand works better than others. Try to pick the coir that looks darker, or if you have the space and time soak the coir in water for a few months before using it, to make sure it's exhausted
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: AyePlus]
#26405378 - 12/28/19 08:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn. Glad nobody took me on my bet. That sucks though.
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ShamanBoof said:
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gizmo1 said:
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cronicr said:
 Ok so my coir is riddled with what I imagine would be salt?
I've seen this alot in my coir I always assumed it was sand particles.
This explains it, it's just sea salt left after washing the Coco with sea water. Some companies use fresh water some don't.. Watch 0:50
How could it be sea salt though if it's not water soluble?
I'm pretty sure I've seen this stuff in my coir too but never really paid any attention to it, just another odd impurity. From the videos it seems like just about anything could wind up in there.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Kizzle]
#26405416 - 12/28/19 09:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah I sat a few chunks in water they were still there the next day, I'd taste it but everything in coir is salty
Idk maybe I'm just cutting a corner somewhere maybe my house is just that dirty idk anymore lol. My cultures look great and fruit great if I leave them
 My spawn looks fine and recovers fine
 My sterile grows go fine
 Idk anymore lol
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: cronicr]
#26405422 - 12/28/19 09:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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me too!!
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: mushboy]
#26405433 - 12/28/19 09:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Have you tried just vermiculite as a substrate? If that worked out at least it would confirm that it's something with the coir and not just the environment.
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Re: Let's grow some mold [Re: Kizzle]
#26405436 - 12/28/19 09:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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No I can't find any verm around but I'm gonna go back to straw/ manure and once I get back to work and get some funds I'll be switching back to bags
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