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Moisture in bulk myco bags
    #26404903 - 12/28/19 03:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hello!

So I recently spawned to bulk into my .5 filter myco bags. I’ve waited about 6 days and in that time the moisture content has exploded to the point of being concerning. I am writing to ask if I should
1. Burp the bags to release some of the built up humidity.
2. Dump the bags that have any moisture built up in the bottom.
3. Quit tripping

The bags are almost ready to go into fruiting conditions but I’ve been waiting for all of them to get on the same page. ( three different varieties)

Thank you everyone in advance! I will upload pictures here in about an hour when I get back to them!


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Shroomboobs]
    #26405825 - 12/29/19 07:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

How many bags you got?
Try something different with each bag and learn what works best.

I always err on the side of dryer substrate but if I really couldn't just leave it and see what happens, I'd wait for significant colonisation (to try to minimise risk of a contam taking hold) then try to suck out some moisture with a syringe and needle, followed by a quick taping of the holes in the bag, all in a SAB if possible.


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: mu5h13]
    #26405912 - 12/29/19 08:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Just drop the humidity in the incubation area and that should help on the inside of the bag


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Libtourm311]
    #26406153 - 12/29/19 11:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the advice y’all!

I have 40 bags going at the moment I think I’m going to lower the humidity in the room using a de humidifier. I may use a syringe to take out some of the pooling!

Thanks for the tips y’all!


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Shroomboobs]
    #26406182 - 12/29/19 11:39 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I will upload pictures here in about an hour when I get back to them!



Where they at? :shrug:

What are your room temps like?


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Tormato]
    #26409638 - 12/31/19 05:07 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Sorry for the delay!


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Tormato]
    #26409639 - 12/31/19 05:09 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Room temps are 75-77. I massaged the bags a bit today to pool the liquid together and then dumped it out of the bags fairly successfully. They are much less liquidy


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Shroomboobs]
    #26409701 - 12/31/19 05:47 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

They look really rough.

You can try and fruit them, but I wouldn't expect much.


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Tormato]
    #26409892 - 12/31/19 08:24 PM (4 years, 28 days ago)

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They look really rough.

You can try and fruit them, but I wouldn't expect much.




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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Tormato]
    #26410675 - 01/01/20 09:48 AM (4 years, 28 days ago)

What do you think is the issue? Contaminated? This is my first attempt so I’m as noob as they come.


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Shroomboobs]
    #26410705 - 01/01/20 10:14 AM (4 years, 28 days ago)

Looks pretty bacterial


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Shroomboobs]
    #26410718 - 01/01/20 10:30 AM (4 years, 28 days ago)

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Sorry for the delay!




This is a good bag of PE6 that I had in the beginning and trust me it was by chance. Most bags go bacterial...



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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Tormato]
    #26410736 - 01/01/20 10:51 AM (4 years, 28 days ago)

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Looks pretty bacterial





Bummmmer. I just don’t know where I went wrong with it.


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Shroomboobs]
    #26414446 - 01/03/20 02:09 PM (4 years, 26 days ago)

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Looks pretty bacterial





Bummmmer. I just don’t know where I went wrong with it.



I'd go ahead and fruit them...if it's only bacteria they will still produce fruits.


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Tormato]
    #26415109 - 01/03/20 08:20 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

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Quote:

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Tormato said:
Looks pretty bacterial





Bummmmer. I just don’t know where I went wrong with it.



I'd go ahead and fruit them...if it's only bacteria they will still produce fruits.





Thanks for the pointers sir! I’ve started opening and fanning them twice a day. I didn’t spray them until today and had gotten out a lot of moisture. Truthfully it looks like a few have recovered a bit.


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Shroomboobs]
    #26415165 - 01/03/20 08:54 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Here are some more bags. Any and all input is appreciated.































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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Shroomboobs]
    #26415635 - 01/04/20 08:14 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Those big white masses look like mycogone  :uhoh:


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Tormato]
    #26415673 - 01/04/20 08:45 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

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Those big white masses look like mycogone  :uhoh:





Fackkkkk

I’ve wanted to be in denial about it. But I’m about to toss almost 20 bags m. I just don’t know how it happened. Everything looked great until a few days ago and then BAM


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Tormato]
    #26415868 - 01/04/20 11:20 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

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Those big white masses look like mycogone  :uhoh:





Thanks for all of your help over the course of this grow by the way. I really appreciate all the input.


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Shroomboobs]
    #26415888 - 01/04/20 11:33 AM (4 years, 25 days ago)

Just out of curiosity, why did you try to do 40 bags as your first grow?


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Growtech]
    #26415940 - 01/04/20 12:09 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

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Just out of curiosity, why did you try to do 40 bags as your first grow?



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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Growtech]
    #26416013 - 01/04/20 01:03 PM (4 years, 25 days ago)

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Just out of curiosity, why did you try to do 40 bags as your first grow?




Hubris most likely


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Shroomboobs]
    #26419921 - 01/06/20 07:45 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

So, just wanted to check in. Are these even worth trying to finish fruiting or should I toss these bags out too? Many lessons learned in this first grow. I will be taking it back to the beginning, scaling down substantially and using mono tubs next round.  I’ve learned the tough lesson that hubris has no place in this hobby. I had been a commercial marijuana grower for years and was over confident in my ability to research and execute things effectively the first time. Tough lessons but I’m glad I learned them.

Here are the bags. Some are extremely bacterial. Others are only slightly. What are your recommendations? I really appreciate any feedback. I humble myself to the collective!



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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Shroomboobs]
    #26420072 - 01/06/20 09:24 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

If you aren't in need of the space they would take, if it were me, I'd probably fruit a couple of the best looking bags (you'll probably get at least a few fruit).  Clone those to agar, and you'd be in a pretty good (some hopefully contamination-free clone mycelium that you know will produce fruit).

I don't think you mentioned how you started your bags... was it just straight multi-spore inoculation?  If so, it's a good lesson... just assume 100% of spore syringes are bacterial.

Either way, people grow out worse looking contamination and get some fruits.  However you will be amazed at how much bigger flushes you will get when it's not contaminated.


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Growtech]
    #26420125 - 01/06/20 09:55 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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If you aren't in need of the space they would take, if it were me, I'd probably fruit a couple of the best looking bags (you'll probably get at least a few fruit).  Clone those to agar, and you'd be in a pretty good (some hopefully contamination-free clone mycelium that you know will produce fruit).

I don't think you mentioned how you started your bags... was it just straight multi-spore inoculation?  If so, it's a good lesson... just assume 100% of spore syringes are bacterial.

Either way, people grow out worse looking contamination and get some fruits.  However you will be amazed at how much bigger flushes you will get when it's not contaminated.





Thank you for the input! I went from syringes for the first time. I plan on starting my next run with agar and making sure to do enough transfers to make sure this doesn’t happen again. I swore I was on top of my sterile tek throughout the whole process. Even spawned to bulk in a SAB inside of a still air room that i sanitized the fukkkk out of.

I let them colonize in bulk for 4 days without burping them and the. Started burping them once a day. Then they got fuckeddddd as you see. I made a few mistakes after that including using a paper towel to try and soak up some of those areas and I got a mix up in misting bottles and didn’t use my clean bottle with purified water.

I think I also increased the FAE too soon and was burping my bags twice a day to try and evaporate off the metabolite areas. There is pooling now in some of them from my partner misting then too much. Lol so it’s been a bunch of issues once the bags were opened.


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Re: Moisture in bulk myco bags [Re: Shroomboobs]
    #26421302 - 01/07/20 03:01 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

I just went back and looked at my logs...  Out of 11 syringes of different varieties, 8 were *definitely* bacterial (like the nasty boogers after 24 hours), 2 were *probably* bacterial and I think 1 might have miraculously been clean.  Anyone who expects clean spore syringes is crazy... you are taking spores from a fruit that has been growing in open air... it's a borderline miracle to get one that is clean just by nature of what they are.

You can grow with bacteria (and a lot of people do), but your yields will be far better with clean mycelium.  Most people are just happy to inoculate with a MS syringe and they are stoked to see a mushroom in the end.  :smile:


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