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Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid.
    #26404536 - 12/28/19 11:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Inspired by this

This is a work in progress, i haven't actually done it but i can't see why it wouldn't work. I will update the thread as it goes.

I found the perfect size containers to fruit pan cyans cakes, this with the purpose to avoid the pasteurization of bulk substrate and the spawn2bulk colonization time. I also avoid the use of mycobags. The containers have a screw lid, my idea is to unscrew the lid enough to allow GE and apply parafilm but this could also work without parafilm since the loose screw lid is an obscure pathway for contams.

This is the container, i bought 6 of them for the test.





Like a BIG Petri dish :grin: I also bought 2 containers of the same brand but these are 4" deep for cubes, also the name of the brand is Cubasa :lol:. Same principle with petri dishes, when inoculating in the SAB or HOOD, you just open them in certain angle and form kind of a shield with the lid and just leave a gap for the inoculant to enter the container. This obviously make it difficult for the contams to land on a vertical angle. I'm not scared of the wideness of the container  :loogie:

These are the measurements of the container.

About 6 centimeters deep or a little bit less than 2.5 inches deep.



13 centimeters wide or a little bit more than 5 inches wide.



I'm thinking inoculating these by pouring LC from a media bottle but i will also try inoculating these with an agar wedge, i'm already saving work and time by avoiding all the bulk substrate process :shrug:

I will use Azura recipe for bulk substate of pan cyans.

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Asura said:

Substrate
Horse manure 675g
Milo 250g (WBS is fine) <- grain is not prepped in any way
Straw 75g
Vermiculite 100g
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Total weight 1100g

This leads to a dry weight of 1100g. And this assumes that everything (particularly manure) is BONE DRY.

Now for the water...

I added 1900g of water to the substrate. Nice math because this adds up to 3000g total weight.
I did that on purpose.

:thumbsup:





I still will have to pasteurize some casing substrate to use on top, i'm so lazy.  :nonono:

I'm thinking fruiting them in a martha but i will also experiment by adapting an easy put on/take off flexible plastic around the container to form a fruiting chamber and then make some holes? idk...

EDIT: Update, works great!

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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26404539 - 12/28/19 11:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26404599 - 12/28/19 12:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Should work great, it’s kinda like MacMerdin’s Simple Pan-Cakes


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: SFS96]
    #26404658 - 12/28/19 12:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Should work great, it’s kinda like MacMerdin’s Simple Pan-Cakes




Very similar, but with the screw lid you can open them way easier and you don't really have to make a hole for GE with a SFD on top. In theory, you can just unscrew the lid enough to allow GE. Unscrew the lid to inoculate, hold the lid as a "shield", less messier IMO.

I won't use a dry verm barrier since is not needed in my opinion. I rather use parafilm as a filtering material. But i'm sure it can work without parafilm as well. And with a dry verm barrier he must have used a syringe to inoculate.


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26404828 - 12/28/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Excited to see how these work out. I dig it


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26404908 - 12/28/19 03:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Inspired by this

This is a work in progress, i haven't actually done it but i can't see why it wouldn't work. I will update the thread as it goes.

I found the perfect size containers to fruit pan cyans cakes, this with the purpose to avoid the pasteurization of bulk substrate and the spawn2bulk colonization time. I also avoid the use of mycobags. The containers have a screw lid, my idea is to unscrew the lid enough to allow GE and apply parafilm but this could also work without parafilm since the loose screw lid is an obscure pathway for contams.

This is the container, i bought 6 of them for the test.





Like a BIG Petri dish :grin: I also bought 2 containers of the same brand but these are 4" deep for cubes, also the name of the brand is Cubasa :lol:. Same principle with petri dishes, when inoculating in the SAB or HOOD, you just open them in certain angle and form kind of a shield with the lid and just leave a gap for the inoculant to enter the container. This obviously make it difficult for the contams to land on a vertical angle. I'm not scared of the wideness of the container  :loogie:

These are the measurements of the container.

About 6 centimeters deep or a little bit less than 2.5 inches deep.



13 centimeters wide or a little bit more than 5 inches wide.



I'm thinking inoculating these by pouring LC from a media bottle but i will also try inoculating these with an agar wedge, i'm already saving work and time by avoiding all the bulk substrate process :shrug:

I will use Azura recipe for bulk substate of pan cyans.

Quote:

Asura said:

Substrate
Horse manure 675g
Milo 250g (WBS is fine) <- grain is not prepped in any way
Straw 75g
Vermiculite 100g
----------------------
Total weight 1100g

This leads to a dry weight of 1100g. And this assumes that everything (particularly manure) is BONE DRY.

Now for the water...

I added 1900g of water to the substrate. Nice math because this adds up to 3000g total weight.
I did that on purpose.

:thumbsup:





I still will have to pasteurize some casing substrate to use on top, i'm so lazy.  :nonono:

I'm thinking fruiting them in a martha but i will also experiment by adapting an easy put on/take off flexible plastic around the container to form a fruiting chamber and then make some holes? idk...




i have done similar shit before and i used the packaging from a bed comforter set it has a zipper and everything and worked rather well with some air slits/holes in it heres a pic of what im talking about im sure you can figure it out



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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: jcm4620]
    #26405176 - 12/28/19 06:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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i have done similar shit before and i used the packaging from a bed comforter set it has a zipper and everything and worked rather well with some air slits/holes in it heres a pic of what im talking about im sure you can figure it out






Not really :lol:

Is that autoclavable? I doubt. What you did there, did you just throw there some spawn and some bulk substrate?


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26405197 - 12/28/19 06:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)


Panaeolus cyanescens  inoculated via lc on coir/ millet flour.
I use these to test lc


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: cronicr]
    #26405202 - 12/28/19 06:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Panaeolus cyanescens  inoculated via lc on coir/ millet flour.
I use these to test lc




Exactly! No GE holes or SFD filters! You only unscrew/loose the lid as well?


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26405203 - 12/28/19 06:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yep crack it a bit and good to go


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: cronicr]
    #26405209 - 12/28/19 06:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I have a bunch of those that I bought for agar before I just gave in and ordered 500 plates. I also have an old pan cyan (and others) MSS) I will give this a shot.


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26405212 - 12/28/19 06:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

wtf are u talking about????  where did u get that from?? im talking about the part that was said about setting up a martha and or playing around with something that you can put on and take off for a fruiting chamber type thing never at any point did i suggest loadin it up and pressure cooking it or anything along those lines thatd b the most retarded thing ever lol


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: jcm4620]
    #26405222 - 12/28/19 06:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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wtf are u talking about????  where did u get that from?? im talking about the part that was said about setting up a martha and or playing around with something that you can put on and take off for a fruiting chamber type thing never at any point did i suggest loadin it up and pressure cooking it or anything along those lines thatd b the most retarded thing ever




Ohhh haha i get you now. Yeah hahaha :lol:. You meant the part of the fruiting chamber, got ya.

Yeah, i don't want to put a bag on top, i want to put like a more rigid plastic that i can easily bend to adapt to the cylindrical structure of the pp5 container.


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26405234 - 12/28/19 06:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

ya i used trays and them inside of it with the zipper on the top it worked rather well for a ghetto ass fc i thought. lol load it full of bulk and throw it in the pc 😂😂😂 that was funny as hell i needed that laugh tonite


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: jcm4620]
    #26405238 - 12/28/19 06:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

so heres what u prolly want thank cron for it its in his post just above this one in the exotic thread


https://files.shroomery.org/files/19-52/758331435-20191228_173107.jpg


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26405253 - 12/28/19 06:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: jcm4620]
    #26405281 - 12/28/19 07:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I wish I had more tops Lol, that top was just from some won ton soup:lol:


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: jcm4620]
    #26405285 - 12/28/19 07:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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so heres what u prolly want thank cron for it its in his post just above this one in the exotic thread


https://files.shroomery.org/files/19-52/758331435-20191228_173107.jpg




Yep, thanks cron. I will probably do something similar. I will probably drill some holes tho.


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26405290 - 12/28/19 07:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

No prob brutha another nice write up


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: cronicr]
    #26430104 - 01/12/20 06:00 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Update? Did you start this one yet? And where did you get those containers?


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #26430309 - 01/12/20 09:03 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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Update? Did you start this one yet? And where did you get those containers?




Yes i did a test with 1 and it warped! So the problem was that i screw the lid too hard. Good thing is, that problem can be easily fixed by using the lid loose prior sterilization (or just by making a GE hole) and then just screw the lid hard once I open the sterilizer. Is not like the holy grail petri container that you can screw the lid all the way closed
before sterilization without problem.

I inoculated the warped container via an agar wedge, is taking a lot of time to see growth. I think i should have used LC instead.

But now that i failed i know how to solve my errors, using the lid loose and using LC instead :thumbup:

I will update as soon as possible.

These are Mexican pp5 containers https://www.cubasa.mx/catalogo/contenedores-de-alimentos/taparrosca/

I don't think you can get them in the US. But i could send you some via mail if you want tho.

The only similar container i could find in Amazon was the twist n loc ziploc containers but the mexican pp5 containers are more wide which is why i like them more, more fruiting surface.

And yeah don't worry i won't leave this project aside :laugh:


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: cronicr]
    #26430334 - 01/12/20 09:13 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

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Panaeolus cyanescens  inoculated via lc on coir/ millet flour.
I use these to test lc




So was this done with regular bucket coir mixed with grain flour? Basically pf without adding water since the coir is at FC?


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Thekd95] * 1
    #26442435 - 01/19/20 10:24 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Here's a little update.



The one above was inoculated with an agar wedge since that day... It finally reaching a good pace.

These just came out of the sterilizer (planning inoculating these by pouring LC):



Before the sterilizer, i filled the containers with substrate where my finger is (about 3/4 of the container), leaving a space so i could see the surface of the substrate from the sides of the container, since the lid is not transparent. To my surprise the substrate expanded all the way up :facepalm: Damn, I don't like that is so close to the GE lid gap, although the one that inoculated with the agar wedge was also filled all the way up and it seems doing fine. Next time i will fill the container 1/2 counting the expansion, they should expand to 3/4 more or less, no?

None of the 7 containers warped by using the lid loose during sterilization :thumbup:

The container is worth 25 mexican pesos about 1.25$ american dollars.

Additional information, i used roughly 1.88 cups of substrate for each container to filled them at 3/4. Next time that i will fill them half way (1/2), i will need 1.88 / 3 = 0.62 * 2 =  1.25 cups of substrate, correct me if the math is wrong.


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26442471 - 01/19/20 11:13 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

cool hope all goes well il be watchin


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: jcm4620]
    #26442476 - 01/19/20 11:16 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Holy fuck I forgot all bout mine they prolly been colonized for 2 weeks :lol:


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    #26442477 - 01/19/20 11:16 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Oh shit....22 days:lol:


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Thekd95]
    #26442478 - 01/19/20 11:19 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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Panaeolus cyanescens  inoculated via lc on coir/ millet flour.
I use these to test lc




So was this done with regular bucket coir mixed with grain flour? Basically pf without adding water since the coir is at FC?



Yes exactly so fc coir at 2:1 coir to flour


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: cronicr]
    #26442480 - 01/19/20 11:28 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Do you have a picture of pan cyan grown on coir? Are you just started experimenting with coir and pan cyans? It would be awesome if i could get rid of the horse manure and straw and replace it with coir.


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26442483 - 01/19/20 11:32 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)


They do ok on coir I was just testing lc this time


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: cronicr]
    #26442484 - 01/19/20 11:33 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

But that's 100% coir/verm or it has some poo in it?


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26442488 - 01/19/20 11:36 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Just coir i cant get manure right now the fields are too frozen or muddy


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: cronicr]
    #26443906 - 01/20/20 09:06 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

I just inoculated 7 of the OP containers with LC. I'll use this msg as "proof of time" to see how much time has passed since inoculation.


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26463731 - 02/01/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Some update.



The first 3 were the ones inoculated with an agar wedge. Are they 100% colonized? I doubt because of the base of the container seem uncolonized but it might be just because the substrate is "glued" to the base?

The other ones were inoculated with LC.


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien] * 1
    #26483900 - 02/13/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)





Well they just started pinning a few days ago, they look like red caps pan cyans? I hope they grow bigger.


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26483908 - 02/13/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting. They kinda remind me of tropicalis

Nice tek write up :thumbup:. I love those screw-top plastic containers. Such a good design.


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26483913 - 02/13/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks, i lost track of the variety of pan cyans i was growing. :facepalm:

I need to do more testing with these containers. Next time i will pulverize all the grains instead of using whole grains.


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26483926 - 02/13/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting. So next time youre going to powderize the grains? Im guessin u do this before PCing them?


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26483939 - 02/13/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah because the millet grain expanded with the moisture and the heat after the PC. I didn't want the substrate all the way up. So next time I'm using pulverized grain/manure/verm and another layer of manure/verm alone at the top, just so the pulverized grain is not exposed. Then i'll just open it and inoculate pouring LC.


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26529843 - 03/11/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26529935 - 03/11/20 09:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Itsh beautiful!!!


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    #26529953 - 03/11/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks! :smirk:


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26549499 - 03/21/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Do you think the yield would be as good if you didn’t use a Martha just curious, been wanting to do pans for a while now but I’m hesitant about setting up a tent


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Thekd95]
    #26549537 - 03/21/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I haven't done it without a martha, but i will try something as soon as this pandemia ends (if we don't die). I was thinking wrapping a rigid plastic around the circumference of the container to make a cylinder, cover the top of the cylinder with transparent saran wrap, make some strategic holes around the cylinder for FAE, not too much holes tho or it will dry too fast and replenish moisture with a syringe as needed. Stay tuned!


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    #26666759 - 05/12/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you cron for talking about Miller coir cakes. Working great for caerulescens done up 4/17 with li instead



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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26747071 - 06/15/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Does brf coir need to be dunked or misted?


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    #26776071 - 06/23/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Have been trying to fruit exotics on this recipe. Colonization is clean and fast but I’m not getting any fruits. Smells just like the caerulescens in wild but no luck yet. Are there some things I could do to help trigger pinning

Zapotecorum on similar recipe


Would sand require a ph adjustment?


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Thekd95]
    #26804246 - 07/04/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think sand would require ph adjustment, sand is very hard already for the myc to colonize as far as i know. I've never grown caerulescens before. But what i'm reading is that they are fast colonizers but fruiting is slow apparently? idk.


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Re: Unmodified pp5 containers to fruit pan cyans with screw lid. [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #27015810 - 11/01/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Cubasa brand did it again.



Now it has a transparent pp5 lid with a blue seal ring that you can take off if you want.

Since im all into unmodified containers (i want to use them in the kithchen too), i would not need that seal ring. But the container has the perfect measurements and now a transparent lid. Perfect.


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    #27511885 - 10/20/21 10:55 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Truly amazing work!  Thanks for your time and effort putting this together Mr. Alien!  This is exactly what I am looking for and will be testing out your method soon.


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