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Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs?
#26403566 - 12/27/19 07:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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My mushrooms are cracker dry, and I have stored them in mason jars with desiccant packs in a cupboard where no light gets into. Is that sufficient enough to preserve and store them and how long will they last like this? Or do am I wrong and need to do something different?
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26403604 - 12/27/19 08:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Theyll be fine for months in a regular zip loc as long as they're cracker dry
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: HighHarles] 1
#26403732 - 12/27/19 09:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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They'll continue to oxidize as long as they're in contact with oxygen. Anything past a few months and you'll want to start looking into vacuum sealing or storing them submerged in honey.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: Barrel]
#26403813 - 12/27/19 11:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you are really worried you can drop in Oxygen-Absorbing Packets. These are what they stick in Beef Jerky bags.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26403822 - 12/27/19 11:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Always cracker dry, always dried with a dehydrator. Vaccume sealer if you actually plan on storing long term. You can get them for so cheap and they work really well, also is satisfying to use! Amazon.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: Barrel]
#26404842 - 12/28/19 02:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So it's required that I need to vacuum seal them then? Won't that break and crack them all up since it's very cracker dry...?
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26404887 - 12/28/19 03:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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DNA_Trip said: My mushrooms are cracker dry, and I have stored them in mason jars with desiccant packs in a cupboard where no light gets into. Is that sufficient enough to preserve and store them and how long will they last like this? Or do am I wrong and need to do something different?
Yes this is fine. I’ve kept them like this for at least two years with minimal loss of potency, as long as they are fully cracker dry first.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26433383 - 01/14/20 02:53 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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DNA_Trip said: So it's required that I need to vacuum seal them then? Won't that break and crack them all up since it's very cracker dry...?
There's nothing wrong with broken cubes as long as they aren't stored in air. Having smaller pieces makes them easier to weigh out for dosing.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: Barrel]
#26433409 - 01/14/20 03:04 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Even with being cracker dry, ground up and packed in capsules, stored in mason jars and desiccant packs in the freezer, I noticed a little drop in potency at around 9 months. Presumably from the oxygen breaking things down
Add these to the mix and according to more experienced people than me, they'll last years without losing a thing
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: Barrel]
#26433414 - 01/14/20 03:07 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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You can store them indefinitely in mason jars w desiccant packs as long as they are cracker dry. They will last years like this.
If you get a vacuum sealer, try to get one with a manual seal function so you can stop vacuuming and start sealing when you want. This will prevent major breakage.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: TheStallionMang]
#26433424 - 01/14/20 03:11 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Fuck man I was hoping my shrooms would be good for months.
I got them vacuum sealed inside of an "water/fire proof safe" but the shrooms keep poking holes in the bags and the suck up air making it pointless...
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26433448 - 01/14/20 03:24 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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There’s a storage thread. Mason jars>vacuum bags. It is known.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: feldman114]
#26433459 - 01/14/20 03:29 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Yes mason jars with desiccant packs.
This is the way.
I was shocked how bad vacuum bags did in that test.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: A.k.a]
#26433566 - 01/14/20 04:36 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Just sucks how much room jars take up...
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26433613 - 01/14/20 05:21 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Yeah but better than going bad. Plus here’s almost a qp of penis envy with room to spare, if I took the bags out and really packed them in I bet a half pound no prob.

After seeing that test thread I went and got half gallons for storage. I was just about to get a vacuum sealer too it was great timing.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: A.k.a]
#26433624 - 01/14/20 05:29 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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A.k.a said: Yeah but better than going bad. Plus here’s almost a qp of penis envy with room to spare, if I took the bags out and really packed them in I bet a half pound no prob.

After seeing that test thread I went and got half gallons for storage. I was just about to get a vacuum sealer too it was great timing.
But only PE though. Even more with blobs. Got a jar with 130g, no packing necessary.
With GT I remember it was always right around 2 oz. Any more packing and mushrooms snapped.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: feldman114]
#26433635 - 01/14/20 05:34 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Yeah if you have medium to bigger ones you’ll have to break them which I don’t mind really. I have another jar with prob 4.5-5 ounces of maz and gt but they’re packed in and probably 70% of them are really small anyways.
Dude with PE blobs you could fit so many. And they’re so strong. A full jar would last me a loooong time.
Even some of my regular looking PE that were a certain phenotype dried out like rocks. Prob had some extra mutant in them but it’s so nice when there’s absolutely no extra space in the dried shroom.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26433824 - 01/14/20 07:24 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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I gave you the best answer. If you want to take the cheaper lazier method, go right ahead. No they dont breakx You'll hear them crack but rest assured the mushrooms dont get injured. Once they're dried they can't actually feel pin anymore... ? Lol I seal them, 1/2 pound dry per bag weekly. Proper mate
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: BlueTryptoYoshi]
#26433921 - 01/14/20 08:20 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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I'll keep saying it, zippy lock bags are crap for preserving things and were never really intended for it. They are just convenient containers for holding a sandwich or something.
I use half-gallon masons with desiccant and oxygen absorber packets. Some are amber to block light too. I would have gone with all amber but they are three times the cost of clear.
There are also gallon jars available with metal lids from bottle suppliers.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: Sir Pentinite]
#26433955 - 01/14/20 08:38 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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I use cheap wal-mart brand vacuum bags. I just hit vacuum until I start to hear a crunch and then manual seal. No more hard shroom peices poking holes through the plastic.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: Sir Pentinite]
#26433959 - 01/14/20 08:40 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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BlueTryptoYoshi said: I gave you the best answer. If you want to take the cheaper lazier method, go right ahead. No they dont breakx You'll hear them crack but rest assured the mushrooms dont get injured. Once they're dried they can't actually feel pin anymore... ? Lol I seal them, 1/2 pound dry per bag weekly. Proper mate
If you use oxygen absorber packs, you don't to invest in an vacuum sealer and you're actually removing all oxygen from coming in contact with your shrooms
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: TheStallionMang]
#26433964 - 01/14/20 08:42 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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BlueTryptoYoshi said: I gave you the best answer. If you want to take the cheaper lazier method, go right ahead. No they dont breakx You'll hear them crack but rest assured the mushrooms dont get injured. Once they're dried they can't actually feel pin anymore... ? Lol I seal them, 1/2 pound dry per bag weekly. Proper mate
If you use oxygen absorber packs, you don't need a vacuumed bag. When the oxygen gets sucked out of the air, it creates a vacuum which you can tell by the way that it pulls the lid down on a mason jar.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: TheStallionMang]
#26434926 - 01/15/20 01:15 PM (4 years, 14 days ago) |
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BlueTryptoYoshi said: I gave you the best answer. If you want to take the cheaper lazier method, go right ahead. No they dont breakx You'll hear them crack but rest assured the mushrooms dont get injured. Once they're dried they can't actually feel pin anymore... ? Lol I seal them, 1/2 pound dry per bag weekly. Proper mate
If you use oxygen absorber packs, you don't need a vacuumed bag. When the oxygen gets sucked out of the air, it creates a vacuum which you can tell by the way that it pulls the lid down on a mason jar.
Those oxygen absorber packs actually create a vacuum inside a sealed jar?
That's pretty dope
I'm gonna have to get some of those and some desiccant packs and switch to jars..
You think the shrooms I've had in sandwich bags for the last month or two have actually lost a lot of potency?
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26434995 - 01/15/20 01:52 PM (4 years, 14 days ago) |
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I doubt it I’ve kept some in ziplocks for 4-5 weeks and not noticed any difference.
My main concern is always mold, I’ve never really had noticeable potency loss that I can think of.
I remember somebody saying making gummy candy or chocolates is a good way to store them but who knows I’ve never known anybody that’s done it.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26435244 - 01/15/20 04:11 PM (4 years, 14 days ago) |
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SpunkyMonkey88 said: Those oxygen absorber packs actually create a vacuum inside a sealed jar?
That's pretty dope
I'm gonna have to get some of those and some desiccant packs and switch to jars..
You think the shrooms I've had in sandwich bags for the last month or two have actually lost a lot of potency?
Yeah, they pull enough oxygen from the air that it creates a vacuum and pulls the lid down.
Yours in the sandwich bags will be fine. A couple months isn't enough to notice a difference.
Oddly enough though, the oxygen absorbers come vacuum packed. You cut them open, quickly put 2-3 in a pint jar or 5-6 in a qt jar and cram the rest that you don't need into another jar so they don't absorb oxygen and can be used later. I probably got 200 of them for $11 on amazon
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: TheStallionMang]
#26436072 - 01/16/20 04:25 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Sweet thanks guys ya I'm definitely going to start storing them properly no point in wasting all that work by having them sit in sandwich bags..
I'm kinda bummed our cuz I bought this "nice" fire/water safe for them but them I filled it with water and tipped it upside down and water leaked everywhere so it definitely isn't water tight let alone air tight like it's supposed to be...
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: Barrel]
#26436075 - 01/16/20 04:28 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Barrel said: They'll continue to oxidize as long as they're in contact with oxygen. Anything past a few months and you'll want to start looking into vacuum sealing or storing them submerged in honey.
That's a great idea, have never heard of storing shrooms in honey.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: HolyBolete]
#26436109 - 01/16/20 05:10 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Hey guys, couple of things I've noticed.
As far as vacuum sealing goes, I've noticed that shrooms for whatever reason stay cracker dry for longer if there is a slight amount of air left in the bag. Not completely vacuum sealed where everything is shrivelled up. I always dehydrate them VERY thoroughly, 15 hours + at the max heat setting. Also, I learned pretty quickly that normal vacuum bags are not worth it if you are going to be opening the bag frequently. You will need to cut a portion off the top where the old seal was made and make a new seal, reducing the size of the bag. My vacuum sealer needs about 4-5 cm inserted into the front of the machine in order to make a new seal. I used to have to change bags every 2-3 times I'd open the bag. Or you would just need to have big ass bags with a lot of empty air which is not ideal and a pita.
These work VERY well for shroom storage:
https://www.amazon.com/FoodSaver-31161370-Cordless-Handheld-Vacuum/dp/B07VSVRNFH/ref=sr_1_2?crid=HVR78CJMUR8L&keywords=foodsaver+handheld+vacuum+sealer&qid=1579175637&sprefix=foodsaver+hand%2Caps%2C281&sr=8-2
This handheld food saver vaccum sealer with the special bags they have that you seal through a circular port. That way you keep the bags indefinitely without fucking about with cutting and making new seals. Oh and it's pretty cheap too!
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: HolyBolete]
#26436365 - 01/16/20 08:44 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Barrel said: They'll continue to oxidize as long as they're in contact with oxygen. Anything past a few months and you'll want to start looking into vacuum sealing or storing them submerged in honey.
That's a great idea, have never heard of storing shrooms in honey.

Have fun trying to dose them accurately tho..
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26436717 - 01/16/20 12:09 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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You can dose the honey by weight or volume. If done right it'll accurate and more consistent.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: iwh678]
#26439669 - 01/18/20 05:53 AM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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So I just spoke to a friend who visited me in early December and took a handful of capsules filled with powdered mushrooms. They were stored in a ziplock with the air sucked out then put into an old pill bottle.
He ate some four days ago and felt nothing then ate three times as much last night and also nothing. He sent me a picture of them and they’re all different lengths now which leads me to believe that even in a bag in a bottle they still managed to suck moisture out of the air which made them expand at different rates. He’s in pnw so it’s cold and humid.
Real glad I got mason jars now.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: A.k.a]
#26439689 - 01/18/20 06:14 AM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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I don't believe you can generalise vacuum storage from your friend's experience. Many people have good experiences with long term storage of shrooms in this way. I've had shrooms 2 years old stored like that and they stayed as potent as the day I sealed them.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: HolyBolete]
#26440969 - 01/18/20 11:30 PM (4 years, 10 days ago) |
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It's the oldest known method of preserving mushrooms dating back thousands of years. If you're worried about dosing, grind them first so it becomes a honey infusion.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: Barrel]
#26443682 - 01/20/20 06:47 PM (4 years, 9 days ago) |
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Well the way I have them in a cool dark cabinet, cracker dry in mason jars with desiccant, I don't have oxygen absorber packets or vacuum sealer. How long should they last with no potency loss with the set up now I have preserving them?
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: DNA_Trip]
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26488639 - 02/16/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I’m planning on doing mine the same way, in mason jars with desiccant packs. I don’t have any oxygen absorber packets, so is it necessary that I need to buy those? Or cracker dry in mason jars with desiccant packs should be good enough? Even though it preserves them, does it still maintain potency if cracker dry with desiccant packs? Or do they lose their potency and I need to buy oxygen absorber packets in order to keep potency?
I thought cracker dry in mason jars with desiccant packs was the way to go and they will be preserved with potency that will last years...? Or is that outdated info now, and you have to buy oxygen absorber packets?
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: feldman114]
#26488711 - 02/16/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: Years

And I'm not parroting, I've actually tried some 5+ years old, they were fine.
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Re: Preserving? Mason jar, cracker dry, desiccant packs? [Re: Forrester]
#26488749 - 02/16/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oxygen absorbers are extra extra care. Not necessary but they're cheap so why not
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