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Help me navigate doses/experiences?
    #26403001 - 12/27/19 12:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Guys, I'm having a hard time navigating dosage. I thought I died and was writhing around in my bed in and out of reality for 3 hours on 2.6g. I was balling my eyes out and wasn't sure what I was so sad about on 2g. 1.5g I'm just happier and generally more introspective. All my friends are doing 2.5-3g no problem, same stash. They run into the problems I do at 4+g

Am I sensitive to shrooms?

Is it because I take bacopa daily?

Is it because I'm experienced at meditating (3+ years TM)?

Is it because I have a lot of trauma to unpack or some other psychological factor?

When will I get to the place where I can get cool visuals? On my 2g trip I saw some stuff, breathing walls and such, but nothing too extravagant, not a lot of colors.

Am I expecting too much?

I know it will all be speculation and everybody's experience is different, etc. I just want to know why I can't break through to the standard 3.5g dose and why I don't get a lot of visuals and what should I really be experiencing? Am I where I need to be?


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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator] * 1
    #26403045 - 12/27/19 01:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I thought I died and was writhing around in my bed in and out of reality for 3 hours on 2.6g. I was balling my eyes out...





Sounds like a proper mushroom trip to me :shrug: .

Mushrooms trips usually involve a lot more of ^that sort of stuff rather than just "cool visuals".

Psychedelics involve a whooole lot more than just one's visual perception being altered.

Sure some "fun" times can be had on psychedelics for sure...but psychedelics and tripping is some serious business, they're not child's play.

Emotions, repressed trauma, all sorts of stuff can get stirred up and brought to the surface...It comes with the territory of tripping.





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Am I expecting too much?





If your focus is on the visuals and you're wondering why you're not getting visuals and wondering why all those other aspects of the trip are happening...

....I feel you are expecting far too little.

Much much more comes along with psychedelics rather than just visuals.





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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: openmind]
    #26403065 - 12/27/19 01:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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McDominator said:
...I just want to know why I can't break through to the standard 3.5g dose and why I don't get a lot of visuals and what should I really be experiencing? Am I where I need to be?




I read a lot of "want to know why," "should I" and "why can't I" in the original post. Doesn't it sound like the mushrooms are trying to help you let go of all that and be free?


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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: openmind]
    #26403089 - 12/27/19 02:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Am I expecting too much?





If your focus is on the visuals and you're wondering why you're not getting visuals and wondering why all those other aspects of the trip are happening...

....I feel you are expecting far too little.

Much much more comes along with psychedelics rather than just visuals.





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They are called psychedelics for a reason. "Psyche" from the greek "psukhe" meaning "soul, spirit, or mind". And "delic" from the greek "delos" meaning "to manifest".

The visual aspect is more a cherry on top of the experience than the goal of the experience IMHO. If you want mind blowing visuals smoke DMT. Not nearly as useful as a longer lasting psychedelic can be, but it will give you the visuals you seem so keen on experiencing.


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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26403175 - 12/27/19 03:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I would say maybe try like the 1.5 or 2 g lemon tekked. I seemed to notice way more visuals when I tried the lemon tek. Although I did 6.4g that night. Lemon tekked 3.5 g and ate the rest over the next couple hours. I was at the beach and it was amazing! I wouldn't recommend DMT if you cant handle an eighth of shrooms. That shit is on a whole other level. I tried a breakthrough dose twice and its been tucked away ever since. Got plenty more and want to try again but Im scared..lol. Talk about thinking youre dying!


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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: Nobodycare] * 1
    #26403697 - 12/27/19 09:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I would try laying off the bacopa for at least a day before taking psychedelics - nootropic interactions with psychedelics are fairly unknown and very individual even taken by themselves.

However, I'd say you had a pretty normal experience. 2.6g is definitely enough to have a pretty heavy effect.
That effect, as already mentioned, may not be the hallucinatory extravaganza that is often depicted. Almost always - sometimes almost exclusively - it brings with it an intense emotional, psychological, and existential examination.

It might be that you have a lot confronting your psyche, so much that the hallucinatory sensory effects are very minor in comparison and are quite overshadowed by those things your mind needs to sort out.

That might be a better approach to your use of psychedelics at this point in your life - to allow them to assist you in the navigation of your self rather than act as an enhancement to the world around you.


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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
    #26404026 - 12/28/19 03:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I think you’re expecting not necessarily too much but I think you’re focusing on the wrong areas! Cool visuals are a by-product of the psychedlic headspace, and once you have a few trips under your belt, you’ll realise there is SO MUCH MORE TO MUSHROOMS THAN COOL VISUALS.

I recently had a beyond heroic dose of Liberty Caps, and the visuals were so intense it ruined the trip for 3mhours; I had to sit there with my head in my hands until the visuals calmed down.

The more experience I get with tripping, the less I look forward to the visual aspects. The headspace is where the magic happens, and d it happens internally regardless of what you can see.

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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: footpath]
    #26404373 - 12/28/19 09:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe I emphasized visuals too much. I am slightly jealous about those since my friends gloat about them. I guess I'm more worried about gauging proper dose for a proper experience without having a rough trip every time. And how to make the trips less terrifying at the higher dose.

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McDominator said:
...I just want to know why I can't break through to the standard 3.5g dose and why I don't get a lot of visuals and what should I really be experiencing? Am I where I need to be?




I read a lot of "want to know why," "should I" and "why can't I" in the original post. Doesn't it sound like the mushrooms are trying to help you let go of all that and be free?




Hmmm. An interesting perspective. Could you elaborate on this? I know I have trouble letting go of things and can be a perfectionist at times. Maybe that's a lesson being taught?

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I would try laying off the bacopa for at least a day before taking psychedelics - nootropic interactions with psychedelics are fairly unknown and very individual even taken by themselves.

However, I'd say you had a pretty normal experience. 2.6g is definitely enough to have a pretty heavy effect.
That effect, as already mentioned, may not be the hallucinatory extravaganza that is often depicted. Almost always - sometimes almost exclusively - it brings with it an intense emotional, psychological, and existential examination.

It might be that you have a lot confronting your psyche, so much that the hallucinatory sensory effects are very minor in comparison and are quite overshadowed by those things your mind needs to sort out.

That might be a better approach to your use of psychedelics at this point in your life - to allow them to assist you in the navigation of your self rather than act as an enhancement to the world around you.




Thanks for this. This is what I was mostly trying to get at. That maybe I just have too much BS to sort through psychologically. Do people actually ever get things sorted though? Or do you just keep torturing yourself to no avail?

And I will try to abstain from bacopa before the next trip. Perhaps this will change the experience a bit. One of my trips (2g) I was on bacopa and lion's mane. I won't be doing that again any time soon!

It is good to hear that my experience on 2.6g seems like a proper experience. I'm not sure if I will go back to that place though if that is the case. That was terrifying. Am I missing out on psychological benefits from keeping the dose lower? That's mostly what I'm after.

I think another thing I will try at some point as well is to take a lower dose like a 1.5 and then meditate. Perhaps this will help me sort through some issues.

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I think you’re expecting not necessarily too much but I think you’re focusing on the wrong areas! Cool visuals are a by-product of the psychedlic headspace, and once you have a few trips under your belt, you’ll realise there is SO MUCH MORE TO MUSHROOMS THAN COOL VISUALS.

I recently had a beyond heroic dose of Liberty Caps, and the visuals were so intense it ruined the trip for 3mhours; I had to sit there with my head in my hands until the visuals calmed down.

The more experience I get with tripping, the less I look forward to the visual aspects. The headspace is where the magic happens, and d it happens internally regardless of what you can see.

Mush love,
DJ Ed




Another point toward possibly introducing meditation during a trip. And damn man, that sounds rough.


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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
    #26404401 - 12/28/19 10:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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McDominator said:
Am I sensitive to shrooms?

Is it because I take bacopa daily?

Is it because I'm experienced at meditating (3+ years TM)?

Is it because I have a lot of trauma to unpack or some other psychological factor?

When will I get to the place where I can get cool visuals?



I'd say it's probably all of the above. There's nothing wrong with needing less to trip. Sounds nice actually. And the dificulty could likely be your psyche trying to work through something. I think your expecting to much in the visual department and not enough in the psychological. Visuals aren't really the primary effect/point of psychedelics anyway IMO. I've had trips with a lot of visuals and it can be awe inspiring. But not all trips are visualy significant and some people get them more than others. In any case the real meat of the experience is in the psychological/emotional aspect of it.


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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
    #26404579 - 12/28/19 12:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks for this. This is what I was mostly trying to get at. That maybe I just have too much BS to sort through psychologically. Do people actually ever get things sorted though? Or do you just keep torturing yourself to no avail?

And I will try to abstain from bacopa before the next trip. Perhaps this will change the experience a bit. One of my trips (2g) I was on bacopa and lion's mane. I won't be doing that again any time soon!

It is good to hear that my experience on 2.6g seems like a proper experience. I'm not sure if I will go back to that place though if that is the case. That was terrifying. Am I missing out on psychological benefits from keeping the dose lower? That's mostly what I'm after.

I think another thing I will try at some point as well is to take a lower dose like a 1.5 and then meditate. Perhaps this will help me sort through some issues.





I find that each time, inevitable of the dose, you get something to reflect upon when you've returned to a normal state of mind. It sounds like you have that new perspective and you're just not quite sure what to make of it or you might be putting up a wall, preventing you from confronting it.
No one will be able to tell you how to move forward with that, you'll just have to go with your own instinct and impulses... do what feels right to you in the moment.

Any dose can bite back at you if you try to fight it, so it is important to learn to let go. The benefit of higher doses is that you have less of a sense of will with which to fight the grip of the substance and the substance has a much tighter grip. Whether that grip is a cradle or a vise is largely up to you, your intentions, and your willingness.

I find meditation to be essential to a positive psychedelic experience. An overactive mind can easily get cluttered and you can easily find yourself getting lost in that clutter. That's not to say, however, that it isn't beneficial to sometimes wade through your mental rubbish... but you will find that you have more agonizing experiences if you let your thoughts consume you.


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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator] * 1
    #26404591 - 12/28/19 12:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

OP Ask less, listen more, and free your mind. Your thinking to much. Going into any trip, even with a determined and focused intent, will not necessarily lead to the outcome you desired or provide any answers or healing of any kind.
Now i know that seems blunt and i sound like an asshole so in return i will answer all questions you asked to the best of my knowledge.

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Am I sensitive to shrooms?



Yes. If your friends are taking similar or larger amounts and not having similar experiences then yes. This is a question you already knew the answer to before you asked.

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Is it because I take bacopa daily?



From what i can tell no. I am no expert here(and have never taken said substance) but i dont see any reason why that would make your experiences more intense, as far as i can tell it should make them easier.

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Is it because I'm experienced at meditating (3+ years TM)?



No. In fact those experienced in meditation usually report the opposite, finding the psychedelic state easier to navigate. Here is an interest read from Ram Dass Check it out

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Is it because I have a lot of trauma to unpack or some other psychological factor?



Possibly.

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When will I get to the place where I can get cool visuals? On my 2g trip I saw some stuff, breathing walls and such, but nothing too extravagant, not a lot of colors.



IMHO when you least expect it. Mushrooms don't always show you what you want to see. More often they show you what you need to see.

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Am I expecting too much?



Yes. Again IMHO expecting anything is too much.

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I know it will all be speculation and everybody's experience is different, etc. I just want to know why I can't break through to the standard 3.5g dose and why I don't get a lot of visuals and what should I really be experiencing?



Because there is no "standard dose" everyone is different. If you get more mileage form 2g than your friends get from 4g then congratulations.

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Am I where I need to be?



I dont know...Where are you?

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McDominator said:
Maybe I emphasized visuals too much. I am slightly jealous about those since my friends gloat about them. I guess I'm more worried about gauging proper dose for a proper experience without having a rough trip every time. And how to make the trips less terrifying at the higher dose.

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sonoramo said:
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McDominator said:
...I just want to know why I can't break through to the standard 3.5g dose and why I don't get a lot of visuals and what should I really be experiencing? Am I where I need to be?




I read a lot of "want to know why," "should I" and "why can't I" in the original post. Doesn't it sound like the mushrooms are trying to help you let go of all that and be free?




Hmmm. An interesting perspective. Could you elaborate on this? I know I have trouble letting go of things and can be a perfectionist at times. Maybe that's a lesson being taught?




You answered your own question. Let go, free you mind, let it wander where it may, don't try to take control.

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I would try laying off the bacopa for at least a day before taking psychedelics - nootropic interactions with psychedelics are fairly unknown and very individual even taken by themselves.

However, I'd say you had a pretty normal experience. 2.6g is definitely enough to have a pretty heavy effect.
That effect, as already mentioned, may not be the hallucinatory extravaganza that is often depicted. Almost always - sometimes almost exclusively - it brings with it an intense emotional, psychological, and existential examination.

It might be that you have a lot confronting your psyche, so much that the hallucinatory sensory effects are very minor in comparison and are quite overshadowed by those things your mind needs to sort out.

That might be a better approach to your use of psychedelics at this point in your life - to allow them to assist you in the navigation of your self rather than act as an enhancement to the world around you.




Thanks for this. This is what I was mostly trying to get at. That maybe I just have too much BS to sort through psychologically. Do people actually ever get things sorted though? Or do you just keep torturing yourself to no avail?

And I will try to abstain from bacopa before the next trip. Perhaps this will change the experience a bit. One of my trips (2g) I was on bacopa and lion's mane. I won't be doing that again any time soon!

It is good to hear that my experience on 2.6g seems like a proper experience. I'm not sure if I will go back to that place though if that is the case. That was terrifying. Am I missing out on psychological benefits from keeping the dose lower? That's mostly what I'm after.

I think another thing I will try at some point as well is to take a lower dose like a 1.5 and then meditate. Perhaps this will help me sort through some issues.




Footpath gave you some great advice. Yes people do work through things on psychedelics. One example is terminal cancer patients who have worked through the dread and fear of death being right around the corner(sorry no link for this one, google it).
Your not missing out on anything dosing lower, you can always work your way up as you feel more comfortable. Jumping into the deep end before you know how to swim could end in a seriously bad situation.


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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
    #26404781 - 12/28/19 02:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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McDominator said: I guess I'm more worried about gauging proper dose for a proper experience without having a rough trip every time. And how to make the trips less terrifying at the higher dose.




3 to 4.5 grams of dried Lemon Balm leaf tea, relaxes/smooths out the come up allowing you to handle higher dosages without all the panic and intensity and terror that can come with it, i highly recommend the Lemon Balm.


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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
    #26404990 - 12/28/19 04:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

a bit of cannabis will make the visuals sing
otherwise it sounds normal
and you may be expecting more of a deliriant hallucination experience, which is still possible but not that likely for just shrooms at a comfortable dosage


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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26405097 - 12/28/19 05:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

DK why nobody on these forums is willing to acknowledge drug effects are very personal and that they actually affect everybody differently... some people's minds are more susceptible to the effects of certain drugs and others not so much. For example caffeine does almost nothing for me, I have a very high acid tolerance, and a more normal shrooms tolerance... it's different with everybody.

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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26405181 - 12/28/19 06:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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DK why nobody on these forums is willing to acknowledge drug effects are very personal and that they actually affect everybody differently... some people's minds are more susceptible to the effects of certain drugs and others not so much. For example caffeine does almost nothing for me, I have a very high acid tolerance, and a more normal shrooms tolerance... it's different with everybody.

Just dose according to your body and mind




:huxleyfacepalm: that is exactly what i was trying to get across(as other members too) and even directly said... did you even read this thread?

Saying nobody is willing to acknowledge drug effects are personal and different from person too person means you read nothing in this thread...

Otherwise your last sentence is good advice:thumbup:


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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: footpath]
    #26405558 - 12/29/19 12:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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DK why nobody on these forums is willing to acknowledge drug effects are very personal and that they actually affect everybody differently...




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No one will be able to tell you how to move forward with that, you'll just have to go with your own instinct and impulses... do what feels right to you in the moment.




Literally my overarching emphasis to every bit of advice I give on this forum or in any other context is that: you - as an individual, as oneself, as a particular biotic being - will have an aptly individual reaction to every input you have in your life.
I don't care if it's how much blue you see in a purple or how you perceive temperature fluctuations while influenced by a concoction of a psychotropic, amphetamine, antipsychotic, and nootropic. No matter what, you will, undoubtedly, have a unique perspective of the effect.
And, quite frankly, it seems like most of the people commenting anything valuable here also acknowledge that individuality.
You might even commonly see it as a caveat... we can say that any thing will do any number of things, so long as we say 'Well, it did for me.' But, thanks to the nature of these open forums, anything obviously outlandish gets snuffed out pretty quickly.
But, even through that scrutiny, there is always some merit of individual effect.


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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
    #26406491 - 12/29/19 02:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

As well as some people being more or less sensitive to shrooms, it seems there is some variation in the amount of visuals different people experience.

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When will I get to the place where I can get cool visuals? On my 2g trip I saw some stuff, breathing walls and such, but nothing too extravagant, not a lot of colors.




Open-eye visuals are usually more subtle than closed-eye visuals. Did you spend much time with your eyes closed during these trips?

Normally I would expect to get reasonable visuals at moderate doses without the trip having to be completely insane.

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Is it because I have a lot of trauma to unpack or some other psychological factor?




Without a more detailed description of your trips it's hard to say. What exactly happened in the trip where you thought you died and you were 'in and out of reality'? You can expect some heavy introspection when you are tripping, and almost everyone has some sort of emotional 'baggage' which can surface in a trip.

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Am I expecting too much?




You might have unrealistic expectations of open-eye visuals. They can be fairly subtle and a lot of the time things look "fairly normal" during my trips. The main thing I notice is a kind of 'word-soup' that appears in walls / carpets / fabrics at moderate doses. I quite often get a kind of 'magic lantern' effect of moving shadows if the lighting isn't too bright, but other open-eye visuals tend to be more unpredictable. Sometimes I see crazy stuff but certainly not on every trip, and usually only if the dose is fairly high.

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I just want to know why I can't break through to the standard 3.5g dose and why I don't get a lot of visuals and what should I really be experiencing? Am I where I need to be?




There isn't anything in particular that a trip 'should' be. It's a voyage into your own mind which obviously makes it a very individual experience. One thing to bear in mind is that it can take a while to get used to the chaos and confusion of a strong trip; you might find that it gets easier to navigate the headspace with more experience.

Another thing is the idea of 'letting go'. If the trip is getting very intense it can be difficult to allow yourself to sink into it, but it will make things a lot easier if you do. It can take a while to get used to the strange physical sensations and body load.

The common thread here is to let yourself experience the trip without too many expectations, just try and 'flow' with the trip and don't fight it when it gets intense, unpleasant or weird. Try meditating if that helps and don't forget to close your eyes for a while to see if you get some closed-eye-visuals.

Here's a couple of posts which describe my experiences at moderate doses and high doses if you want some sort of comparison with your own trips - I don't normally trip as strongly as described in the second of those posts but I'm curious if any of that reminds you of your 2.6g experience which sounds a bit extreme.

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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: Aldebaran]
    #26406573 - 12/29/19 03:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Here's a couple of posts which describe my experiences at moderate doses and high doses if you want some sort of comparison with your own trips - I don't normally trip as strongly as described in the second of those posts but I'm curious if any of that reminds you of your 2.6g experience which sounds a bit extreme.

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Wow! Alderbaran, that is one heck of an eloquently written high dose report. I can empathise with most of your report. I only do high doses 1 or maybe twice a year.

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    #26406612 - 12/29/19 04:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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As well as some people being more or less sensitive to shrooms, it seems there is some variation in the amount of visuals different people experience.

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When will I get to the place where I can get cool visuals? On my 2g trip I saw some stuff, breathing walls and such, but nothing too extravagant, not a lot of colors.




Open-eye visuals are usually more subtle than closed-eye visuals. Did you spend much time with your eyes closed during these trips?

Normally I would expect to get reasonable visuals at moderate doses without the trip having to be completely insane.

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Is it because I have a lot of trauma to unpack or some other psychological factor?




Without a more detailed description of your trips it's hard to say. What exactly happened in the trip where you thought you died and you were 'in and out of reality'? You can expect some heavy introspection when you are tripping, and almost everyone has some sort of emotional 'baggage' which can surface in a trip.

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Am I expecting too much?




You might have unrealistic expectations of open-eye visuals. They can be fairly subtle and a lot of the time things look "fairly normal" during my trips. The main thing I notice is a kind of 'word-soup' that appears in walls / carpets / fabrics at moderate doses. I quite often get a kind of 'magic lantern' effect of moving shadows if the lighting isn't too bright, but other open-eye visuals tend to be more unpredictable. Sometimes I see crazy stuff but certainly not on every trip, and usually only if the dose is fairly high.

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I just want to know why I can't break through to the standard 3.5g dose and why I don't get a lot of visuals and what should I really be experiencing? Am I where I need to be?




There isn't anything in particular that a trip 'should' be. It's a voyage into your own mind which obviously makes it a very individual experience. One thing to bear in mind is that it can take a while to get used to the chaos and confusion of a strong trip; you might find that it gets easier to navigate the headspace with more experience.

Another thing is the idea of 'letting go'. If the trip is getting very intense it can be difficult to allow yourself to sink into it, but it will make things a lot easier if you do. It can take a while to get used to the strange physical sensations and body load.

The common thread here is to let yourself experience the trip without too many expectations, just try and 'flow' with the trip and don't fight it when it gets intense, unpleasant or weird. Try meditating if that helps and don't forget to close your eyes for a while to see if you get some closed-eye-visuals.

Here's a couple of posts which describe my experiences at moderate doses and high doses if you want some sort of comparison with your own trips - I don't normally trip as strongly as described in the second of those posts but I'm curious if any of that reminds you of your 2.6g experience which sounds a bit extreme.

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Dang. Just read the high dose description. That sounds a lot like my 2.6g though I was also fighting it, which obviously made things much worse.

Even my 2g was similar to that at times. Sometimes I was awake and walking around, other times I was falling into a strange place unable to open my eyes. I did see some visuals then. And I was incredibly upset and crying about something but I don't know what it was about. Maybe I need to stick to 1.5g!

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    #26408857 - 12/31/19 07:10 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Guys, I'm going to try something a bit crazy anyway. I think I'm going to dose 3.5 on Friday. I was thinking about my good trips vs my bad ones and what happens during my trips.

During the come up on each of my "bad" trips I was very nervous about what was coming. On my best trips, I felt like a man with nothing to lose and wanted the shrooms to just consume me and teach me what I need to know. This is the letting go that we all talk about.

So, the plan.

No bacopa 2 days prior.
Take CBD prior.
Meditate prior.
Lay down with a weighted blanket, blindfold, and headphones listening to an approved psychedelic therapy playlist. For me, this is really going to make the experience better, I can feel it.

When I peak, I'm always telling myself that I want to come out a different person. I want to change. But the change never happens because there is a part of me that just won't let go. So I figured I would give myself as much comfort and love as possible and then the higher dosage will meet me half way in helping me let go.

After reading through all of these posts and sleeping on it I really think there is just a transformation that needs to happen and that the entire time I've just been knocking on the door, peaking through it, and then shutting it again. Never walking through. This time, I'm walking through.

You're right. I read too much, I think too much. It's time to just make a move.


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    #26408868 - 12/31/19 07:17 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Sounds like a really good plan. Best of luck, and mush love to you.

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    #26408879 - 12/31/19 07:25 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Decisive action and openness are definitely makings for good trips.

For me, there will always be at least a fragment of nervousness whether I take half a gram or 30 grams. It seems intrinsic to this kind of alteration of mind. I'd feel a bit foolish, had I no anticipation after putting some down the hatch. It's just a matter of utilizing that anticipation as a signal to clear my mind and be receptive.

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    #26408955 - 12/31/19 08:43 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

30+ years footpath and I still get anxious. It’s a real bummer, huh? But I think it serves a purpose:-

It maintains the respect. We can all remember our first trips in out teens / early 20s when with little but anecdotal evidence we tripped in poor settings with ridiculously high doses!

It would be nice though for the mushrooms to recognise we are respecting them, and taking them in sensible set and settings scenarios with clear intentions. My anxiety however, always starts at least 24 hours before the trip!

Has anybody else noticed, after a particularly challenging trip which causes you to lay off for a while; when you do eventually have your next trip, the mushrooms / psychedlic gods, are gentle with you? Or is that just me?

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    #26409001 - 12/31/19 09:14 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

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Guys, I'm going to try something a bit crazy anyway. I think I'm going to dose 3.5 on Friday. I was thinking about my good trips vs my bad ones and what happens during my trips.

During the come up on each of my "bad" trips I was very nervous about what was coming. On my best trips, I felt like a man with nothing to lose and wanted the shrooms to just consume me and teach me what I need to know. This is the letting go that we all talk about.

So, the plan.

No bacopa 2 days prior.
Take CBD prior.
Meditate prior.
Lay down with a weighted blanket, blindfold, and headphones listening to an approved psychedelic therapy playlist. For me, this is really going to make the experience better, I can feel it.

When I peak, I'm always telling myself that I want to come out a different person. I want to change. But the change never happens because there is a part of me that just won't let go. So I figured I would give myself as much comfort and love as possible and then the higher dosage will meet me half way in helping me let go.

After reading through all of these posts and sleeping on it I really think there is just a transformation that needs to happen and that the entire time I've just been knocking on the door, peaking through it, and then shutting it again. Never walking through. This time, I'm walking through.

You're right. I read too much, I think too much. It's time to just make a move.



I've actually read CBD to take away from the experience. This is just something I've read and I have no proof in this. Not sure where I even read it. But, I could maybe see it dimming a light that wants to SHINE.

Just go in with zero intentions and just know you took these drugs for that reason! Good luck to your buddy.  3.5 is a solid dose!


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    #26409027 - 12/31/19 09:32 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

I agree. I try to see it as a small fee to pay for all the awesomeness you're granted afterwards.
Also makes the sigh of relief that much better once you've comfortably set in to the experience.

But yeah, it would be nice to avoid or reduce that anxiety. I've noticed a little relief if I take it in a tea with herbs such as passionflower, ginger, turmeric, etc. But the anticipation still remains to some degree.
One of the members, Sabnock, has recommended taking tea made from 3.5 to 4 grams of dried lemon balm to help aide in the anxiety-reduction, I'm certainly looking forward to trying that on the next journey.

In regard to the gentler trips after having had rough ones,
I wouldn't say that I am necessarily granted an easy ride the next go around. I feel like, with each traumatic experience I've had, my resilience has grown and I have a better sense of navigating the stormy seas that may start brewing. I think that confidence, in and of itself, grants a certain assurance that you can sail safely even if blindsided by an unexpected wave. So, with your acquired experience, the calm waters seem that much calmer.


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    #26409062 - 12/31/19 09:57 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

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I agree. I try to see it as a small fee to pay for all the awesomeness you're granted afterwards.
Also makes the sigh of relief that much better once you've comfortably set in to the experience.
i too get that sigh of relief. It is such an awesome moment in the trip 👊🏻

But yeah, it would be nice to avoid or reduce that anxiety. I've noticed a little relief if I take it in a tea with herbs such as passionflower, ginger, turmeric, etc. But the anticipation still remains to some degree.
One of the members, Sabnock, has recommended taking tea made from 3.5 to 4 grams of dried lemon balm to help aide in the anxiety-reduction, I'm certainly looking forward to trying that on the next journey.
yeah I read that too, and am considering trying. If you try before me, please report back with your opinions 👍🏻✊🏻
In regard to the gentler trips after having had rough ones,
I wouldn't say that I am necessarily granted an easy ride the next go around. I feel like, with each traumatic experience I've had, my resilience has grown and I have a better sense of navigating the stormy seas that may start brewing. I think that confidence, in and of itself, grants a certain assurance that you can sail safely even if blindsided by an unexpected wave. So, with your acquired experience, the calm waters seem that much calmer.

i am starting to conclude that also, especially with the helpful advice I’ve recently received her on the Shroomery. Letting go does get easier, and the trips are going further and getting more rewarding with this growing experience.




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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26409091 - 12/31/19 10:18 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

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You're right. I read too much, I think too much. It's time to just make a move.




It sounds like you have the perfect mindset for this now:thumbup:

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Decisive action and openness are definitely makings for good trips.

For me, there will always be at least a fragment of nervousness whether I take half a gram or 30 grams.




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30+ years footpath and I still get anxious. It’s a real bummer, huh? But I think it serves a purpose:-




That nervousness, anxiousness, small tinge of fear IMO is a healthy respect for these substances and what they can do.


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    #26409160 - 12/31/19 11:06 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

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30+ years footpath and I still get anxious. It’s a real bummer, huh? But I think it serves a purpose:-

It maintains the respect. We can all remember our first trips in out teens / early 20s when with little but anecdotal evidence we tripped in poor settings with ridiculously high doses!

It would be nice though for the mushrooms to recognise we are respecting them, and taking them in sensible set and settings scenarios with clear intentions. My anxiety however, always starts at least 24 hours before the trip!

Has anybody else noticed, after a particularly challenging trip which causes you to lay off for a while; when you do eventually have your next trip, the mushrooms / psychedlic gods, are gentle with you? Or is that just me?

Mush love,
DJ Ed.



I will have to find this out on my next trip because my last one was difficult as fuck and made me chill out on them for a little. Took them last in early October. May try it out tonight for New Years and bring it in with a bang.


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    #26409177 - 12/31/19 11:21 AM (4 years, 29 days ago)

Go for it dude. And a happy new year pal.

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    #26409299 - 12/31/19 12:45 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

I don't know it this is helpful or not but if you can put aside expectations and just relax and enjoy the experience especially after you peak you may better be able to experience the beauty and wonder.


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    #26409487 - 12/31/19 02:47 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

You guys are the best. Thanks for the encouragement. If I don't forget all about this post after my trip I will let you know how I make out!


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    #26410584 - 01/01/20 08:30 AM (4 years, 28 days ago)

:awecid:

Sending good vibes your way...

One thing I like about a music playlist is that it gives me something to focus on and I can tell myself that all I need to do is lie here and listen through to the end of the playlist. How hard can it be? :wink:

Try and let yourself flow with the trip - even when you aren't sure where it's taking you, have faith that the journey is worthwhile, and when things get intense, just let go :thumbup:

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    #26418981 - 01/06/20 09:11 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Hello fellas. Got a nice update for you :smile:

So I skipped the CBD as someone suggested because I agree, that's sort of numbing and I felt like I needed to sort through something.

Well, all I can say is that this trip was a huge success.

3.5g, weighted blanket, headphones, psychadelic playlist, blindfold, meditation. And something else helpful that someone told me, to have a mantra. Mine was "you are safe, just let go". So when things got hairy, I would say that and take a deep breath and man did that help.

The headphones and blindfold came off after a couple of hours once I came to a bunch of realizations because I needed to write down what I had found out and chat with a friend about it.

It turns out I had some repressed memories/emotions that I have apparently been holding onto for most of my life since childhood. They have to do with the way I was raised and my relationship with my father and how that is now impacting my own kid. There were other things I wrote down as well, but this was a huge step forward for me overall. I'm so glad I had the courage to push through with this! I highly recommend this configuration for anyone who ends up with "bad trips" at higher doses. It may just be that you need this setting to help you to come to some sort of realization with yourself that is hard to grapple with.

I will note that right before all of these revelations my body was fighting me. It was bringing on a lot of discomfort and making me feel anxious and upset. Thus is the nature of repressed memories, you are protecting yourself from yourself. I repeated my mantra, relaxed, pushed through and just felt the discomfort and dealt with it. After I cleared the discomfort all was revealed. It's difficult, but not impossible! This was not a "bad trip", I don't believe in those. It was hard but it's probably one of the best things that has happened to me in a long time and was just what I needed.

Thanks to all of you for your advice and encouragement!!

Cheers!


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    #26418991 - 01/06/20 09:26 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Glad to hear it.
Sounds like you'll be able to let yourself have some fun on them sooner than later.


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    #26419064 - 01/06/20 10:34 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Awesome! I've been following your thread and am glad that you got that experience you were looking for. The amazing thing about mushrooms is, if taken with good intentions, we never get the experience we want, but we always get the experience we need, even if we can't see that.

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    #26419102 - 01/06/20 11:01 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Hey there friend! So glad to have you here.

This was definitely what I needed!! The environment definitely plays a role and I'm so glad I decided to hit 3.5g this way. For my situation I'm sort of stuck because my friends house is the only place I can go for my trips. So I changed the situation to the best of my ability and it made a big difference.

My plan now is to keep referencing my notes and repair some relationships and work on some other problems. Once I feel like I've had some progress then I will probably trip again and see if there is anything else that needs to be sorted. Rinse, wash, repeat. Hoping to make 30 years worth of "therapy" progress over the next year or two :smile:


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    #26419116 - 01/06/20 11:09 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

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Hey there friend! So glad to have you here.

This was definitely what I needed!! The environment definitely plays a role and I'm so glad I decided to hit 3.5g this way. For my situation I'm sort of stuck because my friends house is the only place I can go for my trips. So I changed the situation to the best of my ability and it made a big difference.

My plan now is to keep referencing my notes and repair some relationships and work on some other problems. Once I feel like I've had some progress then I will probably trip again and see if there is anything else that needs to be sorted. Rinse, wash, repeat. Hoping to make 30 years worth of "therapy" progress over the next year or two :smile:




I know where you're coming from, I've been working on fixing over 25 years of sadness and dread that was, largely, self-inflicted. But since I started my journeys at the end of 2018, I've made, at the very least, great mental strides. I still need to put the wheels in motion more so physically but, little by little, its happening.

I'm glad to hear you are on your way to. So long as we stick with it, and push through when times are rough, we'll make it to the other side of growth.


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    #26419140 - 01/06/20 11:23 AM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Don't forget to enjoy yourselves along the way.

It's easy to get so caught up with moving forward that we forget to enjoy the passing vistas; get caught in the rain; sled down a snowy hill.
Letting yourself love is the another of the therapies the substance can offer.
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    #26419225 - 01/06/20 12:11 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

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Don't forget to enjoy yourselves along the way.

It's easy to get so caught up with moving forward that we forget to enjoy the passing vistas; get caught in the rain; sled down a snowy hill.
Letting yourself love is the another of the therapies the substance can offer.
I feel, too often, our old grown bodies forget that.




You are absolutely right. I learned that on my New Years trip, that removing the "fun" and just trying to "work on oneself" is a recipe for disaster. They are inseparable, working on oneself is also learning to enjoy life in its entirety and allowing yourself to be.

Thanks for that reminder :heart: I want to keep that in my mind for this year, that it is ok to enjoy life, even if, in that moment, one isn't making "progress" per say.


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    #26419253 - 01/06/20 12:37 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

Awesome! Nice update, thanks for coming back and sharing how it went:thumbup:

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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26419278 - 01/06/20 12:53 PM (4 years, 23 days ago)

I find the more nervous I am going in the more intense (sensory overload) things tend to be idk about other ppl but if I can keep my mind off the come up and not focus on it usually a couple beers help but it dulls the trip a lil on lower doses. But for me a beer buzz is the key to get used to things but lately I been regretting the beer just because with more experience I realize the dulling effect more. I compare it to ppl needing motion sickness pills to get on ships until they get there sea legs so to speak if that makes sense.


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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: BabylonRuleDem]
    #26420530 - 01/07/20 08:05 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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BabylonRuleDem said:
Awesome! Nice update, thanks for coming back and sharing how it went:thumbup:

Also I like your sig
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I'm new. I'm here to learn. I'm also willing to help. If I'm wrong on something, please call me out. I am not resistant to new information, but I always carry a healthy dose of skepticism.



Just for that you get :mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:




Thanks man

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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
    #26420585 - 01/07/20 08:51 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Didn't read all the posts. Sorry if this has been said, but sounds like the mushrooms are trying to get you to face something in your life that needs to be addressed. 

Try some lemon balm tea, it will sooth the anxiety and maybe make it a little easier to see what you need to acknowledge without having such a rough go that you can only focus on your misery.

And don't forget, don't fight it.  Let go and let them take you where they want to take you.  I don't know what that stuff is you said you were taking but I would abstain from anything supplements or nutrients and just have a normal diet for 2 weeks.  During that time, do some research on lemon balm tea and order the leaves off ebay. Once you get those supplements out of your system and have your lemon balm tea ready, dose again and be prepared to let go and navigate to where the mushrooms take you.

Dont expect anything.  Don't anticipate anything.  Drink your tea, dose, relax and do something you enjoy during the come up and just go with the flow once they set in.

I enjoy watching movies alot.  Something visual and fun.  It's like an adventure to me! Especially something you have never seen or aren't very familiar with.  If you know every scene in the movie, it's just basically watching the pretty colors, but if your unfamiliar with it, it's a whole different experience.


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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: maniac1886]
    #26420876 - 01/07/20 11:43 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Man, I don't know what kind of weird luck I have, but...
Ever since I started tripping, if I happen to find myself watching television, without fail, it will be something so god damn bizarre that I'm just stunned by awkward and uncomfortable amazement.

For instance, most recently: The Calendar: How to Use It
Obviously, the MST3K guys know how to dig up some really weird content. But still. This one was painfully uncomfortable and I also could not stop watching.

I will say - while I am absolutely amazed by television in terms of engineering and cultural development/achievement, I'm always very relieved once I turn it off.


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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: footpath]
    #26421294 - 01/07/20 02:58 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

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I will say - while I am absolutely amazed by television in terms of engineering and cultural development/achievement, I'm always very relieved once I turn it off.




On 4g dried cubensis and above, my switched off tv screen comes alive with geometric hallucinations of its own! If there’s no music physically playing, you’ll also hear audio from the tv! Try it brother.

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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
    #26422425 - 01/08/20 06:57 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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Hello fellas. Got a nice update for you :smile:

So I skipped the CBD as someone suggested because I agree, that's sort of numbing and I felt like I needed to sort through something.

Well, all I can say is that this trip was a huge success.

3.5g, weighted blanket, headphones, psychadelic playlist, blindfold, meditation. And something else helpful that someone told me, to have a mantra. Mine was "you are safe, just let go". So when things got hairy, I would say that and take a deep breath and man did that help.

The headphones and blindfold came off after a couple of hours once I came to a bunch of realizations because I needed to write down what I had found out and chat with a friend about it.

It turns out I had some repressed memories/emotions that I have apparently been holding onto for most of my life since childhood. They have to do with the way I was raised and my relationship with my father and how that is now impacting my own kid. There were other things I wrote down as well, but this was a huge step forward for me overall. I'm so glad I had the courage to push through with this! I highly recommend this configuration for anyone who ends up with "bad trips" at higher doses. It may just be that you need this setting to help you to come to some sort of realization with yourself that is hard to grapple with.

I will note that right before all of these revelations my body was fighting me. It was bringing on a lot of discomfort and making me feel anxious and upset. Thus is the nature of repressed memories, you are protecting yourself from yourself. I repeated my mantra, relaxed, pushed through and just felt the discomfort and dealt with it. After I cleared the discomfort all was revealed. It's difficult, but not impossible! This was not a "bad trip", I don't believe in those. It was hard but it's probably one of the best things that has happened to me in a long time and was just what I needed.

Thanks to all of you for your advice and encouragement!!

Cheers!



Yo man, that's awesome! I'm so glad you were able to let go and enjoy the experience for what it is. I too, do deal with difficult shit about every time I trip (usually only when I'm alone) - I get into the terrible thoughts about myself.. all the bad I've done, the terrible things I've said to people - it makes me relive all these repressed moments of life where I was just a horrible human.

At that point, all I want to do is hug my mom, tell her I love her. Tell a stranger that they're beautiful. Just love. Because of how terrible I've been to people at times. (I'm no worse than the average joe), weve all said things that we don't mean, and have let anger take the best of us.

But.. the mushrooms bring those past choices to surface and it's an emotion rollercoaster, feeling like a deep dark pit I fall down. I eventually get out of it.. it SUCKS when it happens, but once its over it shows me, I just need to LOVE.

I need to be nice go people. Compliment a stranger. Nothing that's asking too much. We're all able to do this. Try to let anger not take the best of you. These have all been lessons I have learned during my most emotional/difficult trips. But you sure do learn a lot about yourself.

Anyway, I'm more than happy you rode the wave and you're here to this day a better person because of your experience! Happy for you brother.

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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26423049 - 01/08/20 02:16 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

One of the Biggest things that has helped me to have a good experience every single time I dose is to Set your Intentions! You can do this simply by having a toast before you ingest any mushrooms.

For me I like to have different experiences. Sometimes I want knowledge and sometimes I just want to have a good time with the people around me. So I would have a toast something like this- "Here's to a Good time with my friends, Love, knowledge and Beautiful Thoughts!"
Then when I take the dose I let that intention go and have faith that the trip im about to enter is a good world set up for myself.
Now when a split starts to appear (chance for the trip to turn dark or bad) That intention will come back to me and I can take control and say to myself "I came to have a good time with friends with love knowledge and beautiful thoughts" and just that will set me straight.

Good luck my friend! Hope it all goes well for you!


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