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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
#26408868 - 12/31/19 07:17 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Sounds like a really good plan. Best of luck, and mush love to you.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
#26408879 - 12/31/19 07:25 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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Decisive action and openness are definitely makings for good trips.
For me, there will always be at least a fragment of nervousness whether I take half a gram or 30 grams. It seems intrinsic to this kind of alteration of mind. I'd feel a bit foolish, had I no anticipation after putting some down the hatch. It's just a matter of utilizing that anticipation as a signal to clear my mind and be receptive.
Best wishes on your travels. Remember that your body knows what it's doing with these substances.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: footpath]
#26408955 - 12/31/19 08:43 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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30+ years footpath and I still get anxious. It’s a real bummer, huh? But I think it serves a purpose:-
It maintains the respect. We can all remember our first trips in out teens / early 20s when with little but anecdotal evidence we tripped in poor settings with ridiculously high doses!
It would be nice though for the mushrooms to recognise we are respecting them, and taking them in sensible set and settings scenarios with clear intentions. My anxiety however, always starts at least 24 hours before the trip!
Has anybody else noticed, after a particularly challenging trip which causes you to lay off for a while; when you do eventually have your next trip, the mushrooms / psychedlic gods, are gentle with you? Or is that just me?
Mush love, DJ Ed.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
#26409001 - 12/31/19 09:14 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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McDominator said: Guys, I'm going to try something a bit crazy anyway. I think I'm going to dose 3.5 on Friday. I was thinking about my good trips vs my bad ones and what happens during my trips.
During the come up on each of my "bad" trips I was very nervous about what was coming. On my best trips, I felt like a man with nothing to lose and wanted the shrooms to just consume me and teach me what I need to know. This is the letting go that we all talk about.
So, the plan.
No bacopa 2 days prior. Take CBD prior. Meditate prior. Lay down with a weighted blanket, blindfold, and headphones listening to an approved psychedelic therapy playlist. For me, this is really going to make the experience better, I can feel it.
When I peak, I'm always telling myself that I want to come out a different person. I want to change. But the change never happens because there is a part of me that just won't let go. So I figured I would give myself as much comfort and love as possible and then the higher dosage will meet me half way in helping me let go.
After reading through all of these posts and sleeping on it I really think there is just a transformation that needs to happen and that the entire time I've just been knocking on the door, peaking through it, and then shutting it again. Never walking through. This time, I'm walking through.
You're right. I read too much, I think too much. It's time to just make a move.
I've actually read CBD to take away from the experience. This is just something I've read and I have no proof in this. Not sure where I even read it. But, I could maybe see it dimming a light that wants to SHINE.
Just go in with zero intentions and just know you took these drugs for that reason! Good luck to your buddy. 3.5 is a solid dose!
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: DJ Ed] 1
#26409027 - 12/31/19 09:32 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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I agree. I try to see it as a small fee to pay for all the awesomeness you're granted afterwards. Also makes the sigh of relief that much better once you've comfortably set in to the experience.
But yeah, it would be nice to avoid or reduce that anxiety. I've noticed a little relief if I take it in a tea with herbs such as passionflower, ginger, turmeric, etc. But the anticipation still remains to some degree. One of the members, Sabnock, has recommended taking tea made from 3.5 to 4 grams of dried lemon balm to help aide in the anxiety-reduction, I'm certainly looking forward to trying that on the next journey.
In regard to the gentler trips after having had rough ones, I wouldn't say that I am necessarily granted an easy ride the next go around. I feel like, with each traumatic experience I've had, my resilience has grown and I have a better sense of navigating the stormy seas that may start brewing. I think that confidence, in and of itself, grants a certain assurance that you can sail safely even if blindsided by an unexpected wave. So, with your acquired experience, the calm waters seem that much calmer.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: footpath] 1
#26409062 - 12/31/19 09:57 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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footpath said: I agree. I try to see it as a small fee to pay for all the awesomeness you're granted afterwards. Also makes the sigh of relief that much better once you've comfortably set in to the experience. i too get that sigh of relief. It is such an awesome moment in the trip 👊🏻
But yeah, it would be nice to avoid or reduce that anxiety. I've noticed a little relief if I take it in a tea with herbs such as passionflower, ginger, turmeric, etc. But the anticipation still remains to some degree. One of the members, Sabnock, has recommended taking tea made from 3.5 to 4 grams of dried lemon balm to help aide in the anxiety-reduction, I'm certainly looking forward to trying that on the next journey. yeah I read that too, and am considering trying. If you try before me, please report back with your opinions 👍🏻✊🏻 In regard to the gentler trips after having had rough ones, I wouldn't say that I am necessarily granted an easy ride the next go around. I feel like, with each traumatic experience I've had, my resilience has grown and I have a better sense of navigating the stormy seas that may start brewing. I think that confidence, in and of itself, grants a certain assurance that you can sail safely even if blindsided by an unexpected wave. So, with your acquired experience, the calm waters seem that much calmer.
i am starting to conclude that also, especially with the helpful advice I’ve recently received her on the Shroomery. Letting go does get easier, and the trips are going further and getting more rewarding with this growing experience.
Mush love, DJ Ed
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26409091 - 12/31/19 10:18 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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You're right. I read too much, I think too much. It's time to just make a move.
It sounds like you have the perfect mindset for this now
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footpath said: Decisive action and openness are definitely makings for good trips.
For me, there will always be at least a fragment of nervousness whether I take half a gram or 30 grams.
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DJ Ed said: 30+ years footpath and I still get anxious. It’s a real bummer, huh? But I think it serves a purpose:-
That nervousness, anxiousness, small tinge of fear IMO is a healthy respect for these substances and what they can do.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26409160 - 12/31/19 11:06 AM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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DJ Ed said: 30+ years footpath and I still get anxious. It’s a real bummer, huh? But I think it serves a purpose:-
It maintains the respect. We can all remember our first trips in out teens / early 20s when with little but anecdotal evidence we tripped in poor settings with ridiculously high doses!
It would be nice though for the mushrooms to recognise we are respecting them, and taking them in sensible set and settings scenarios with clear intentions. My anxiety however, always starts at least 24 hours before the trip!
Has anybody else noticed, after a particularly challenging trip which causes you to lay off for a while; when you do eventually have your next trip, the mushrooms / psychedlic gods, are gentle with you? Or is that just me?
Mush love, DJ Ed.
I will have to find this out on my next trip because my last one was difficult as fuck and made me chill out on them for a little. Took them last in early October. May try it out tonight for New Years and bring it in with a bang.
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Go for it dude. And a happy new year pal.
DJ Ed
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26409299 - 12/31/19 12:45 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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I don't know it this is helpful or not but if you can put aside expectations and just relax and enjoy the experience especially after you peak you may better be able to experience the beauty and wonder.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: Ranger7227]
#26409487 - 12/31/19 02:47 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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You guys are the best. Thanks for the encouragement. If I don't forget all about this post after my trip I will let you know how I make out!
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
#26410584 - 01/01/20 08:30 AM (4 years, 28 days ago) |
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Sending good vibes your way...
One thing I like about a music playlist is that it gives me something to focus on and I can tell myself that all I need to do is lie here and listen through to the end of the playlist. How hard can it be? 
Try and let yourself flow with the trip - even when you aren't sure where it's taking you, have faith that the journey is worthwhile, and when things get intense, just let go 
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: Aldebaran] 2
#26418981 - 01/06/20 09:11 AM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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Hello fellas. Got a nice update for you 
So I skipped the CBD as someone suggested because I agree, that's sort of numbing and I felt like I needed to sort through something.
Well, all I can say is that this trip was a huge success.
3.5g, weighted blanket, headphones, psychadelic playlist, blindfold, meditation. And something else helpful that someone told me, to have a mantra. Mine was "you are safe, just let go". So when things got hairy, I would say that and take a deep breath and man did that help.
The headphones and blindfold came off after a couple of hours once I came to a bunch of realizations because I needed to write down what I had found out and chat with a friend about it.
It turns out I had some repressed memories/emotions that I have apparently been holding onto for most of my life since childhood. They have to do with the way I was raised and my relationship with my father and how that is now impacting my own kid. There were other things I wrote down as well, but this was a huge step forward for me overall. I'm so glad I had the courage to push through with this! I highly recommend this configuration for anyone who ends up with "bad trips" at higher doses. It may just be that you need this setting to help you to come to some sort of realization with yourself that is hard to grapple with.
I will note that right before all of these revelations my body was fighting me. It was bringing on a lot of discomfort and making me feel anxious and upset. Thus is the nature of repressed memories, you are protecting yourself from yourself. I repeated my mantra, relaxed, pushed through and just felt the discomfort and dealt with it. After I cleared the discomfort all was revealed. It's difficult, but not impossible! This was not a "bad trip", I don't believe in those. It was hard but it's probably one of the best things that has happened to me in a long time and was just what I needed.
Thanks to all of you for your advice and encouragement!!
Cheers!
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
#26418991 - 01/06/20 09:26 AM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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Glad to hear it. Sounds like you'll be able to let yourself have some fun on them sooner than later.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: footpath]
#26419064 - 01/06/20 10:34 AM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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Awesome! I've been following your thread and am glad that you got that experience you were looking for. The amazing thing about mushrooms is, if taken with good intentions, we never get the experience we want, but we always get the experience we need, even if we can't see that.
Can't wait as we dive deeper!
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: Socrateshroom]
#26419102 - 01/06/20 11:01 AM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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Hey there friend! So glad to have you here.
This was definitely what I needed!! The environment definitely plays a role and I'm so glad I decided to hit 3.5g this way. For my situation I'm sort of stuck because my friends house is the only place I can go for my trips. So I changed the situation to the best of my ability and it made a big difference.
My plan now is to keep referencing my notes and repair some relationships and work on some other problems. Once I feel like I've had some progress then I will probably trip again and see if there is anything else that needs to be sorted. Rinse, wash, repeat. Hoping to make 30 years worth of "therapy" progress over the next year or two
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
#26419116 - 01/06/20 11:09 AM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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McDominator said: Hey there friend! So glad to have you here.
This was definitely what I needed!! The environment definitely plays a role and I'm so glad I decided to hit 3.5g this way. For my situation I'm sort of stuck because my friends house is the only place I can go for my trips. So I changed the situation to the best of my ability and it made a big difference.
My plan now is to keep referencing my notes and repair some relationships and work on some other problems. Once I feel like I've had some progress then I will probably trip again and see if there is anything else that needs to be sorted. Rinse, wash, repeat. Hoping to make 30 years worth of "therapy" progress over the next year or two 
I know where you're coming from, I've been working on fixing over 25 years of sadness and dread that was, largely, self-inflicted. But since I started my journeys at the end of 2018, I've made, at the very least, great mental strides. I still need to put the wheels in motion more so physically but, little by little, its happening.
I'm glad to hear you are on your way to. So long as we stick with it, and push through when times are rough, we'll make it to the other side of growth.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: Socrateshroom]
#26419140 - 01/06/20 11:23 AM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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Don't forget to enjoy yourselves along the way.
It's easy to get so caught up with moving forward that we forget to enjoy the passing vistas; get caught in the rain; sled down a snowy hill. Letting yourself love is the another of the therapies the substance can offer. I feel, too often, our old grown bodies forget that.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: footpath]
#26419225 - 01/06/20 12:11 PM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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footpath said: Don't forget to enjoy yourselves along the way.
It's easy to get so caught up with moving forward that we forget to enjoy the passing vistas; get caught in the rain; sled down a snowy hill. Letting yourself love is the another of the therapies the substance can offer. I feel, too often, our old grown bodies forget that.
You are absolutely right. I learned that on my New Years trip, that removing the "fun" and just trying to "work on oneself" is a recipe for disaster. They are inseparable, working on oneself is also learning to enjoy life in its entirety and allowing yourself to be.
Thanks for that reminder I want to keep that in my mind for this year, that it is ok to enjoy life, even if, in that moment, one isn't making "progress" per say.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: Socrateshroom]
#26419253 - 01/06/20 12:37 PM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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Awesome! Nice update, thanks for coming back and sharing how it went
Also I like your sig
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