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Help me navigate doses/experiences?
#26403001 - 12/27/19 12:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Guys, I'm having a hard time navigating dosage. I thought I died and was writhing around in my bed in and out of reality for 3 hours on 2.6g. I was balling my eyes out and wasn't sure what I was so sad about on 2g. 1.5g I'm just happier and generally more introspective. All my friends are doing 2.5-3g no problem, same stash. They run into the problems I do at 4+g
Am I sensitive to shrooms?
Is it because I take bacopa daily?
Is it because I'm experienced at meditating (3+ years TM)?
Is it because I have a lot of trauma to unpack or some other psychological factor?
When will I get to the place where I can get cool visuals? On my 2g trip I saw some stuff, breathing walls and such, but nothing too extravagant, not a lot of colors.
Am I expecting too much?
I know it will all be speculation and everybody's experience is different, etc. I just want to know why I can't break through to the standard 3.5g dose and why I don't get a lot of visuals and what should I really be experiencing? Am I where I need to be?
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator] 1
#26403045 - 12/27/19 01:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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McDominator said: I thought I died and was writhing around in my bed in and out of reality for 3 hours on 2.6g. I was balling my eyes out...
Sounds like a proper mushroom trip to me .
Mushrooms trips usually involve a lot more of ^that sort of stuff rather than just "cool visuals".
Psychedelics involve a whooole lot more than just one's visual perception being altered.
Sure some "fun" times can be had on psychedelics for sure...but psychedelics and tripping is some serious business, they're not child's play.
Emotions, repressed trauma, all sorts of stuff can get stirred up and brought to the surface...It comes with the territory of tripping.
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Am I expecting too much?
If your focus is on the visuals and you're wondering why you're not getting visuals and wondering why all those other aspects of the trip are happening...
....I feel you are expecting far too little.
Much much more comes along with psychedelics rather than just visuals.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: openmind]
#26403065 - 12/27/19 01:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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McDominator said: ...I just want to know why I can't break through to the standard 3.5g dose and why I don't get a lot of visuals and what should I really be experiencing? Am I where I need to be?
I read a lot of "want to know why," "should I" and "why can't I" in the original post. Doesn't it sound like the mushrooms are trying to help you let go of all that and be free?
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: openmind]
#26403089 - 12/27/19 02:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Am I expecting too much?
If your focus is on the visuals and you're wondering why you're not getting visuals and wondering why all those other aspects of the trip are happening...
....I feel you are expecting far too little.
Much much more comes along with psychedelics rather than just visuals.
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They are called psychedelics for a reason. "Psyche" from the greek "psukhe" meaning "soul, spirit, or mind". And "delic" from the greek "delos" meaning "to manifest".
The visual aspect is more a cherry on top of the experience than the goal of the experience IMHO. If you want mind blowing visuals smoke DMT. Not nearly as useful as a longer lasting psychedelic can be, but it will give you the visuals you seem so keen on experiencing.
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I would say maybe try like the 1.5 or 2 g lemon tekked. I seemed to notice way more visuals when I tried the lemon tek. Although I did 6.4g that night. Lemon tekked 3.5 g and ate the rest over the next couple hours. I was at the beach and it was amazing! I wouldn't recommend DMT if you cant handle an eighth of shrooms. That shit is on a whole other level. I tried a breakthrough dose twice and its been tucked away ever since. Got plenty more and want to try again but Im scared..lol. Talk about thinking youre dying!
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: Nobodycare] 1
#26403697 - 12/27/19 09:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would try laying off the bacopa for at least a day before taking psychedelics - nootropic interactions with psychedelics are fairly unknown and very individual even taken by themselves.
However, I'd say you had a pretty normal experience. 2.6g is definitely enough to have a pretty heavy effect. That effect, as already mentioned, may not be the hallucinatory extravaganza that is often depicted. Almost always - sometimes almost exclusively - it brings with it an intense emotional, psychological, and existential examination.
It might be that you have a lot confronting your psyche, so much that the hallucinatory sensory effects are very minor in comparison and are quite overshadowed by those things your mind needs to sort out.
That might be a better approach to your use of psychedelics at this point in your life - to allow them to assist you in the navigation of your self rather than act as an enhancement to the world around you.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
#26404026 - 12/28/19 03:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think you’re expecting not necessarily too much but I think you’re focusing on the wrong areas! Cool visuals are a by-product of the psychedlic headspace, and once you have a few trips under your belt, you’ll realise there is SO MUCH MORE TO MUSHROOMS THAN COOL VISUALS.
I recently had a beyond heroic dose of Liberty Caps, and the visuals were so intense it ruined the trip for 3mhours; I had to sit there with my head in my hands until the visuals calmed down.
The more experience I get with tripping, the less I look forward to the visual aspects. The headspace is where the magic happens, and d it happens internally regardless of what you can see.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: footpath]
#26404373 - 12/28/19 09:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe I emphasized visuals too much. I am slightly jealous about those since my friends gloat about them. I guess I'm more worried about gauging proper dose for a proper experience without having a rough trip every time. And how to make the trips less terrifying at the higher dose.
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McDominator said: ...I just want to know why I can't break through to the standard 3.5g dose and why I don't get a lot of visuals and what should I really be experiencing? Am I where I need to be?
I read a lot of "want to know why," "should I" and "why can't I" in the original post. Doesn't it sound like the mushrooms are trying to help you let go of all that and be free?
Hmmm. An interesting perspective. Could you elaborate on this? I know I have trouble letting go of things and can be a perfectionist at times. Maybe that's a lesson being taught?
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footpath said: I would try laying off the bacopa for at least a day before taking psychedelics - nootropic interactions with psychedelics are fairly unknown and very individual even taken by themselves.
However, I'd say you had a pretty normal experience. 2.6g is definitely enough to have a pretty heavy effect. That effect, as already mentioned, may not be the hallucinatory extravaganza that is often depicted. Almost always - sometimes almost exclusively - it brings with it an intense emotional, psychological, and existential examination.
It might be that you have a lot confronting your psyche, so much that the hallucinatory sensory effects are very minor in comparison and are quite overshadowed by those things your mind needs to sort out.
That might be a better approach to your use of psychedelics at this point in your life - to allow them to assist you in the navigation of your self rather than act as an enhancement to the world around you.
Thanks for this. This is what I was mostly trying to get at. That maybe I just have too much BS to sort through psychologically. Do people actually ever get things sorted though? Or do you just keep torturing yourself to no avail?
And I will try to abstain from bacopa before the next trip. Perhaps this will change the experience a bit. One of my trips (2g) I was on bacopa and lion's mane. I won't be doing that again any time soon!
It is good to hear that my experience on 2.6g seems like a proper experience. I'm not sure if I will go back to that place though if that is the case. That was terrifying. Am I missing out on psychological benefits from keeping the dose lower? That's mostly what I'm after.
I think another thing I will try at some point as well is to take a lower dose like a 1.5 and then meditate. Perhaps this will help me sort through some issues.
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DJ Ed said: I think you’re expecting not necessarily too much but I think you’re focusing on the wrong areas! Cool visuals are a by-product of the psychedlic headspace, and once you have a few trips under your belt, you’ll realise there is SO MUCH MORE TO MUSHROOMS THAN COOL VISUALS.
I recently had a beyond heroic dose of Liberty Caps, and the visuals were so intense it ruined the trip for 3mhours; I had to sit there with my head in my hands until the visuals calmed down.
The more experience I get with tripping, the less I look forward to the visual aspects. The headspace is where the magic happens, and d it happens internally regardless of what you can see.
Mush love, DJ Ed
Another point toward possibly introducing meditation during a trip. And damn man, that sounds rough.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
#26404401 - 12/28/19 10:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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McDominator said: Am I sensitive to shrooms?
Is it because I take bacopa daily?
Is it because I'm experienced at meditating (3+ years TM)?
Is it because I have a lot of trauma to unpack or some other psychological factor?
When will I get to the place where I can get cool visuals?
I'd say it's probably all of the above. There's nothing wrong with needing less to trip. Sounds nice actually. And the dificulty could likely be your psyche trying to work through something. I think your expecting to much in the visual department and not enough in the psychological. Visuals aren't really the primary effect/point of psychedelics anyway IMO. I've had trips with a lot of visuals and it can be awe inspiring. But not all trips are visualy significant and some people get them more than others. In any case the real meat of the experience is in the psychological/emotional aspect of it.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
#26404579 - 12/28/19 12:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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McDominator said: Thanks for this. This is what I was mostly trying to get at. That maybe I just have too much BS to sort through psychologically. Do people actually ever get things sorted though? Or do you just keep torturing yourself to no avail?
And I will try to abstain from bacopa before the next trip. Perhaps this will change the experience a bit. One of my trips (2g) I was on bacopa and lion's mane. I won't be doing that again any time soon!
It is good to hear that my experience on 2.6g seems like a proper experience. I'm not sure if I will go back to that place though if that is the case. That was terrifying. Am I missing out on psychological benefits from keeping the dose lower? That's mostly what I'm after.
I think another thing I will try at some point as well is to take a lower dose like a 1.5 and then meditate. Perhaps this will help me sort through some issues.
I find that each time, inevitable of the dose, you get something to reflect upon when you've returned to a normal state of mind. It sounds like you have that new perspective and you're just not quite sure what to make of it or you might be putting up a wall, preventing you from confronting it. No one will be able to tell you how to move forward with that, you'll just have to go with your own instinct and impulses... do what feels right to you in the moment.
Any dose can bite back at you if you try to fight it, so it is important to learn to let go. The benefit of higher doses is that you have less of a sense of will with which to fight the grip of the substance and the substance has a much tighter grip. Whether that grip is a cradle or a vise is largely up to you, your intentions, and your willingness.
I find meditation to be essential to a positive psychedelic experience. An overactive mind can easily get cluttered and you can easily find yourself getting lost in that clutter. That's not to say, however, that it isn't beneficial to sometimes wade through your mental rubbish... but you will find that you have more agonizing experiences if you let your thoughts consume you.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator] 1
#26404591 - 12/28/19 12:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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OP Ask less, listen more, and free your mind. Your thinking to much. Going into any trip, even with a determined and focused intent, will not necessarily lead to the outcome you desired or provide any answers or healing of any kind. Now i know that seems blunt and i sound like an asshole so in return i will answer all questions you asked to the best of my knowledge.
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Am I sensitive to shrooms?
Yes. If your friends are taking similar or larger amounts and not having similar experiences then yes. This is a question you already knew the answer to before you asked.
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Is it because I take bacopa daily?
From what i can tell no. I am no expert here(and have never taken said substance) but i dont see any reason why that would make your experiences more intense, as far as i can tell it should make them easier.
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Is it because I'm experienced at meditating (3+ years TM)?
No. In fact those experienced in meditation usually report the opposite, finding the psychedelic state easier to navigate. Here is an interest read from Ram Dass Check it out
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Is it because I have a lot of trauma to unpack or some other psychological factor?
Possibly.
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When will I get to the place where I can get cool visuals? On my 2g trip I saw some stuff, breathing walls and such, but nothing too extravagant, not a lot of colors.
IMHO when you least expect it. Mushrooms don't always show you what you want to see. More often they show you what you need to see.
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Am I expecting too much?
Yes. Again IMHO expecting anything is too much.
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I know it will all be speculation and everybody's experience is different, etc. I just want to know why I can't break through to the standard 3.5g dose and why I don't get a lot of visuals and what should I really be experiencing?
Because there is no "standard dose" everyone is different. If you get more mileage form 2g than your friends get from 4g then congratulations.
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I dont know...Where are you?
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McDominator said: Maybe I emphasized visuals too much. I am slightly jealous about those since my friends gloat about them. I guess I'm more worried about gauging proper dose for a proper experience without having a rough trip every time. And how to make the trips less terrifying at the higher dose.
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McDominator said: ...I just want to know why I can't break through to the standard 3.5g dose and why I don't get a lot of visuals and what should I really be experiencing? Am I where I need to be?
I read a lot of "want to know why," "should I" and "why can't I" in the original post. Doesn't it sound like the mushrooms are trying to help you let go of all that and be free?
Hmmm. An interesting perspective. Could you elaborate on this? I know I have trouble letting go of things and can be a perfectionist at times. Maybe that's a lesson being taught?
You answered your own question. Let go, free you mind, let it wander where it may, don't try to take control.
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footpath said: I would try laying off the bacopa for at least a day before taking psychedelics - nootropic interactions with psychedelics are fairly unknown and very individual even taken by themselves.
However, I'd say you had a pretty normal experience. 2.6g is definitely enough to have a pretty heavy effect. That effect, as already mentioned, may not be the hallucinatory extravaganza that is often depicted. Almost always - sometimes almost exclusively - it brings with it an intense emotional, psychological, and existential examination.
It might be that you have a lot confronting your psyche, so much that the hallucinatory sensory effects are very minor in comparison and are quite overshadowed by those things your mind needs to sort out.
That might be a better approach to your use of psychedelics at this point in your life - to allow them to assist you in the navigation of your self rather than act as an enhancement to the world around you.
Thanks for this. This is what I was mostly trying to get at. That maybe I just have too much BS to sort through psychologically. Do people actually ever get things sorted though? Or do you just keep torturing yourself to no avail?
And I will try to abstain from bacopa before the next trip. Perhaps this will change the experience a bit. One of my trips (2g) I was on bacopa and lion's mane. I won't be doing that again any time soon!
It is good to hear that my experience on 2.6g seems like a proper experience. I'm not sure if I will go back to that place though if that is the case. That was terrifying. Am I missing out on psychological benefits from keeping the dose lower? That's mostly what I'm after.
I think another thing I will try at some point as well is to take a lower dose like a 1.5 and then meditate. Perhaps this will help me sort through some issues.
Footpath gave you some great advice. Yes people do work through things on psychedelics. One example is terminal cancer patients who have worked through the dread and fear of death being right around the corner(sorry no link for this one, google it). Your not missing out on anything dosing lower, you can always work your way up as you feel more comfortable. Jumping into the deep end before you know how to swim could end in a seriously bad situation.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
#26404781 - 12/28/19 02:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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McDominator said: I guess I'm more worried about gauging proper dose for a proper experience without having a rough trip every time. And how to make the trips less terrifying at the higher dose.
3 to 4.5 grams of dried Lemon Balm leaf tea, relaxes/smooths out the come up allowing you to handle higher dosages without all the panic and intensity and terror that can come with it, i highly recommend the Lemon Balm.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
#26404990 - 12/28/19 04:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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a bit of cannabis will make the visuals sing otherwise it sounds normal and you may be expecting more of a deliriant hallucination experience, which is still possible but not that likely for just shrooms at a comfortable dosage
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26405097 - 12/28/19 05:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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DK why nobody on these forums is willing to acknowledge drug effects are very personal and that they actually affect everybody differently... some people's minds are more susceptible to the effects of certain drugs and others not so much. For example caffeine does almost nothing for me, I have a very high acid tolerance, and a more normal shrooms tolerance... it's different with everybody.
Just dose according to your body and mind
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: Korean Jesus]
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Korean Jesus said: DK why nobody on these forums is willing to acknowledge drug effects are very personal and that they actually affect everybody differently... some people's minds are more susceptible to the effects of certain drugs and others not so much. For example caffeine does almost nothing for me, I have a very high acid tolerance, and a more normal shrooms tolerance... it's different with everybody.
Just dose according to your body and mind
that is exactly what i was trying to get across(as other members too) and even directly said... did you even read this thread?
Saying nobody is willing to acknowledge drug effects are personal and different from person too person means you read nothing in this thread...
Otherwise your last sentence is good advice
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: footpath]
#26405558 - 12/29/19 12:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Korean Jesus said: DK why nobody on these forums is willing to acknowledge drug effects are very personal and that they actually affect everybody differently...
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Literally my overarching emphasis to every bit of advice I give on this forum or in any other context is that: you - as an individual, as oneself, as a particular biotic being - will have an aptly individual reaction to every input you have in your life. I don't care if it's how much blue you see in a purple or how you perceive temperature fluctuations while influenced by a concoction of a psychotropic, amphetamine, antipsychotic, and nootropic. No matter what, you will, undoubtedly, have a unique perspective of the effect. And, quite frankly, it seems like most of the people commenting anything valuable here also acknowledge that individuality. You might even commonly see it as a caveat... we can say that any thing will do any number of things, so long as we say 'Well, it did for me.' But, thanks to the nature of these open forums, anything obviously outlandish gets snuffed out pretty quickly. But, even through that scrutiny, there is always some merit of individual effect.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
#26406491 - 12/29/19 02:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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As well as some people being more or less sensitive to shrooms, it seems there is some variation in the amount of visuals different people experience.
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When will I get to the place where I can get cool visuals? On my 2g trip I saw some stuff, breathing walls and such, but nothing too extravagant, not a lot of colors.
Open-eye visuals are usually more subtle than closed-eye visuals. Did you spend much time with your eyes closed during these trips?
Normally I would expect to get reasonable visuals at moderate doses without the trip having to be completely insane.
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Is it because I have a lot of trauma to unpack or some other psychological factor?
Without a more detailed description of your trips it's hard to say. What exactly happened in the trip where you thought you died and you were 'in and out of reality'? You can expect some heavy introspection when you are tripping, and almost everyone has some sort of emotional 'baggage' which can surface in a trip.

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Am I expecting too much?
You might have unrealistic expectations of open-eye visuals. They can be fairly subtle and a lot of the time things look "fairly normal" during my trips. The main thing I notice is a kind of 'word-soup' that appears in walls / carpets / fabrics at moderate doses. I quite often get a kind of 'magic lantern' effect of moving shadows if the lighting isn't too bright, but other open-eye visuals tend to be more unpredictable. Sometimes I see crazy stuff but certainly not on every trip, and usually only if the dose is fairly high.
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I just want to know why I can't break through to the standard 3.5g dose and why I don't get a lot of visuals and what should I really be experiencing? Am I where I need to be?
There isn't anything in particular that a trip 'should' be. It's a voyage into your own mind which obviously makes it a very individual experience. One thing to bear in mind is that it can take a while to get used to the chaos and confusion of a strong trip; you might find that it gets easier to navigate the headspace with more experience.
Another thing is the idea of 'letting go'. If the trip is getting very intense it can be difficult to allow yourself to sink into it, but it will make things a lot easier if you do. It can take a while to get used to the strange physical sensations and body load.
The common thread here is to let yourself experience the trip without too many expectations, just try and 'flow' with the trip and don't fight it when it gets intense, unpleasant or weird. Try meditating if that helps and don't forget to close your eyes for a while to see if you get some closed-eye-visuals.
Here's a couple of posts which describe my experiences at moderate doses and high doses if you want some sort of comparison with your own trips - I don't normally trip as strongly as described in the second of those posts but I'm curious if any of that reminds you of your 2.6g experience which sounds a bit extreme.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: Aldebaran]
#26406573 - 12/29/19 03:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aldebaran said: Here's a couple of posts which describe my experiences at moderate doses and high doses if you want some sort of comparison with your own trips - I don't normally trip as strongly as described in the second of those posts but I'm curious if any of that reminds you of your 2.6g experience which sounds a bit extreme.

Wow! Alderbaran, that is one heck of an eloquently written high dose report. I can empathise with most of your report. I only do high doses 1 or maybe twice a year.
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: Aldebaran]
#26406612 - 12/29/19 04:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aldebaran said: As well as some people being more or less sensitive to shrooms, it seems there is some variation in the amount of visuals different people experience.
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When will I get to the place where I can get cool visuals? On my 2g trip I saw some stuff, breathing walls and such, but nothing too extravagant, not a lot of colors.
Open-eye visuals are usually more subtle than closed-eye visuals. Did you spend much time with your eyes closed during these trips?
Normally I would expect to get reasonable visuals at moderate doses without the trip having to be completely insane.
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Is it because I have a lot of trauma to unpack or some other psychological factor?
Without a more detailed description of your trips it's hard to say. What exactly happened in the trip where you thought you died and you were 'in and out of reality'? You can expect some heavy introspection when you are tripping, and almost everyone has some sort of emotional 'baggage' which can surface in a trip.

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Am I expecting too much?
You might have unrealistic expectations of open-eye visuals. They can be fairly subtle and a lot of the time things look "fairly normal" during my trips. The main thing I notice is a kind of 'word-soup' that appears in walls / carpets / fabrics at moderate doses. I quite often get a kind of 'magic lantern' effect of moving shadows if the lighting isn't too bright, but other open-eye visuals tend to be more unpredictable. Sometimes I see crazy stuff but certainly not on every trip, and usually only if the dose is fairly high.
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I just want to know why I can't break through to the standard 3.5g dose and why I don't get a lot of visuals and what should I really be experiencing? Am I where I need to be?
There isn't anything in particular that a trip 'should' be. It's a voyage into your own mind which obviously makes it a very individual experience. One thing to bear in mind is that it can take a while to get used to the chaos and confusion of a strong trip; you might find that it gets easier to navigate the headspace with more experience.
Another thing is the idea of 'letting go'. If the trip is getting very intense it can be difficult to allow yourself to sink into it, but it will make things a lot easier if you do. It can take a while to get used to the strange physical sensations and body load.
The common thread here is to let yourself experience the trip without too many expectations, just try and 'flow' with the trip and don't fight it when it gets intense, unpleasant or weird. Try meditating if that helps and don't forget to close your eyes for a while to see if you get some closed-eye-visuals.
Here's a couple of posts which describe my experiences at moderate doses and high doses if you want some sort of comparison with your own trips - I don't normally trip as strongly as described in the second of those posts but I'm curious if any of that reminds you of your 2.6g experience which sounds a bit extreme.

Dang. Just read the high dose description. That sounds a lot like my 2.6g though I was also fighting it, which obviously made things much worse.
Even my 2g was similar to that at times. Sometimes I was awake and walking around, other times I was falling into a strange place unable to open my eyes. I did see some visuals then. And I was incredibly upset and crying about something but I don't know what it was about. Maybe I need to stick to 1.5g!
Thank you, and thanks to everyone. This was the sort of navigation I needed
-------------------- I'm here to learn. I'm also willing to help. If I'm wrong on something, please call me out. I am not resistant to new information, but I always carry a healthy dose of skepticism. “It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure.” -Albert Einstein
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Re: Help me navigate doses/experiences? [Re: McDominator]
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Guys, I'm going to try something a bit crazy anyway. I think I'm going to dose 3.5 on Friday. I was thinking about my good trips vs my bad ones and what happens during my trips.
During the come up on each of my "bad" trips I was very nervous about what was coming. On my best trips, I felt like a man with nothing to lose and wanted the shrooms to just consume me and teach me what I need to know. This is the letting go that we all talk about.
So, the plan.
No bacopa 2 days prior. Take CBD prior. Meditate prior. Lay down with a weighted blanket, blindfold, and headphones listening to an approved psychedelic therapy playlist. For me, this is really going to make the experience better, I can feel it.
When I peak, I'm always telling myself that I want to come out a different person. I want to change. But the change never happens because there is a part of me that just won't let go. So I figured I would give myself as much comfort and love as possible and then the higher dosage will meet me half way in helping me let go.
After reading through all of these posts and sleeping on it I really think there is just a transformation that needs to happen and that the entire time I've just been knocking on the door, peaking through it, and then shutting it again. Never walking through. This time, I'm walking through.
You're right. I read too much, I think too much. It's time to just make a move.
-------------------- I'm here to learn. I'm also willing to help. If I'm wrong on something, please call me out. I am not resistant to new information, but I always carry a healthy dose of skepticism. “It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure.” -Albert Einstein
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