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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26376384 - 12/12/19 01:15 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Preaching to the choir, bro. I always ask Socratic questions to get other members thinking. You're correct here. I'll have to PM you a site I also write for that I don't want shroomery to fucking dox me on dealing with ALL of this shit, lol.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Threads from God89] * 2
    #26390714 - 12/19/19 01:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Methinks looking for the most likely natural causes for phenomena is the reasonable course of action. This is called the Law of Parsimony. "This law states that the most simple of two competing theories should be the preferred one." I've also wanted to jump to paranormal explanations. When I moved into my house I could hear tapping, bumping sounds from the upper corner of one of my book shelves. At that time books on death and thanatology were stuck up at the top corner. My mind contrived a poltergeist! We even showed this to my wife's step-mom visiting from Germany (she is a fundamentalist Christian). It turned out that the sounds were caused by water pipes, which in Florida homes without basements are run through the attic. D'OH!  :facepalm:

It would make more sense to set up a nanny-cam that operates in the dark than to assume questionable demonic entities are singling YOU out for "extermination." I mean, think about this. So-called demonic infestations, oppression, obsession, and especially possession are exceedingly rare phenomena. Many or most of the time multiple personality (D.I.D), fugue states, and thought disorders account for seemingly inexplicable phenomena. So can heightened imagination, expectation, and wish-fulfillment. :shrug: Get some Neosporin® on those scratches. Take some selfies and see if anyone knowledgeable of Hebrew, Arabic, or Aramaic can discern actual letters. My cat frapped the top of my hand a few days ago but I didn't see any scratches. Today I see 4 tiny scratches in the configuration of a cat paw. Sometimes scratches take time to manifest and maybe you got your's during daylight hours. Assume a logical/clinical/scientific stance in mysterious matters before you wax paranormal. :yesnod:


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26391544 - 12/19/19 09:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hey.... Thanks you guys.

      I have taken to praying, meditating.... reading some material that was suggested to me... burning Dragons Blood incense and Sage...

        Pleading the blood of Jesus over myself, my house.  I have not had anymore scratches, nor have I heard anymore "foorsteps" like someone briskly walking down my hall...


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26391776 - 12/20/19 01:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Great post. Markos (as always). Parsimony is essentially Occam's Razor if I understand correctly; don;t multiply theories/assumptions complexity until it's warranted...I.E. the simplest, most logical explanation is most certainly said explanation.

Here's my non-PC question; how do you know half the people who claim they see shit, understand what they're seeing? Yes, people are stupid and misperceive shit all the time, then play off of their own reaction and convince them they saw something, etc.

THE absolute best case of some woman trying to play the public with this, is with the video LC posted in the UFO/Alien thread of a woman supposedly capturing an "alien" in her driveway. It's clearly her son, with a t-shirt wrapped around his head. Even when they confront them and have him mock the video, and it's obviously him trying hard not to get caught looking like the video, lo and behold people in the comments will insist this is an alien in this lady's driveway, lol.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #26392392 - 12/20/19 12:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I am hesitant to call people stupid because while I am not a stupid man I do stupid shit all the time. I cited the poltergeist mistake as one example. Another time when my wife an I were rolling and making love we both began to develop burning heat in our genitals and thought that maybe we were having a Tantric Kundalini arousal. No, we had had been in the '69' position earlier and had been simultaneously sucking on cinnamon candy because, well, we were on MDMA. The cinnamon was burning our pubes! :rofl:

So, if I make wild assumptions at times I know that others do as well. But I do not remain fixated on ideas because (1) I understand the illusory nature of thought, and (2) I do not have a thought disorder which results in such fixations including fixations on paranoid delusions. I can apply Occam's Razor because in the absence of paranoia (which is Janus-faced being both persecutory and grandiose at the same time), I do not think that 'I' have been singled out by a demon, for example, in some anti-complimentary yet singularly important way. In a conversation with gnrm23 on another site, he just asked rhetorically, "why are non-believers so seldom possessed by demons ???????" In the West mental hospitals frequently saw Jesus Christ delusionals, not Buddha or Krishna or some obscure avatar delusions.

I am not denying the possibility of demonic assault, but even among 'believers' in a Christian context, this is a relatively rare occurrence. The Vatican needs to give the go-ahead for a Catholic priest anywhere in the world to perform the Rite of Exorcism and certain criteria need to be in place before it is sanctioned. Among Protestant Evangelicals, the Christian Right supports a man who is anti-Christ (not necessarily THE Anti-Christ) through-and-through! D.J. Trump is 'demonic' in the sheer frequency of documented lies (over 12,000 at last count). I have not lied a fraction of that number in my 66 years! Trump epitomizes the Seven Cardinal Sins and yet the Christian Right supports him! Snake-handling Ozark churches have seen lots of members die from snake bites yet these churches continue in their bizarre (if not fetishistic) take on Christianity. The list of examples of false-interpretations of people are endless.

I do not trust the interpretations of phenomena to other individuals anywhere as much as my own focused perception-interpretation. I routinely hear from hypnotherapy clients what they think their problem is based on. They are incorrect most of the time and surprised to discover the actual point of origin of their symptoms. I worked with a school teacher who was a fundamentalist, literal 'Christian' and because the Book of Revelations says that the stars will fall to the earth in verse 6:13, he had to adjust his acceptance of scientifically adduced Reality to consider that the stars, including the Sun were much smaller. He said, 'maybe the Sun is the size of a basketball and God puts some kind of force-field around the Sun to make it LOOK larger.' I suggested that the root word *aster* in the New Testament documents might well be describing asteroids, which could very realistically be a way that 'stars' could end life on earth (discounting the eventuality of our Sun going nova). He was so rigid in his interpretation that reason could not balance 'belief.' He was delusional IMO and remain so today as far as I know - a high school teacher of kids in Miami-Dade County Public Schools. This is the type of fixity of 'belief' that delusional people demonstrate.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26393387 - 12/21/19 01:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Right on, Markos! I'm about to trip HARD so we'll see if I can get this out correctly before it all kicks LOL.

First, it blows my mind you've been here for 20 years! That's epic AF! Serious commitment to the community, and I'm sure you've grown leaps and bounds as a person in the last 20 years. I can't even imagine finding this place in 1999 LOL :cool:.

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I do not trust the interpretations of phenomena to other individuals anywhere as much as my own focused perception-interpretation. I routinely hear from hypnotherapy clients what they think their problem is based on. They are incorrect most of the time and surprised to discover the actual point of origin of their symptoms. I worked with a school teacher who was a fundamentalist, literal 'Christian' and because the Book of revelations says that the stars will fall to the earth in verse 6:13, he had to adjust his acceptance of scientifically adduced Reality to consider that the stars, including the Sun were much smaller. He said, 'maybe the Sun is the size of a basketball and God puts some kind of force-field around the Sun to make it LOOK larger.' I suggested that the root word *aster* in the New Testament documents might well be describing asteroids, which could very realistically be a way that 'stars' could end life on earth (discounting the eventuality of our Sun going nova). He was so rigid in his interpretation that reason could not balance 'belief.' He was delusional IMO and remain so today as far as I know - a high school teacher of kids in Miami-Dade County Public Schools. This is the type of fixity of 'belief' that delusional people demonstrate.




I couldn't agree with this more, Markos. Delusional people en masse are the most dangerous pack of animals. Undue pride, smugness, and hubris result. Ever notice the smug are almost always wrong? Their "intelligence" is rooted in contempt they think they hold for others, but it's actually themselves they battle.

We're in the exact same boat, brother. I'm a professional consultant regarding Kinesiology/PT/rehab,/recovery in general. The amount of people who attempt to attribute basic shit to something they "read" about or heard someone in the office propagandizing something THEY read, then misinterpret, then spread with confidence like it's a fact...

...Yes, that's the bullshit we all have to combat, let alone navigate!

It's like a giant game of adult bullshit telephone, where ego is reinforced because the only thing people hate more than being wrong is admitting they were wrong...

..Especially if it was due to their own intelligence by misperceiving something, lol. Politics is another perfect example. Everything is shoe horned, like your Christian example above. Neatly packaged paradigmatical answers, Markos! Stop looking that God's forcefield around the sun, you'll burn your eyes out! :cool:


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26393391 - 12/21/19 01:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'll even be the cynical douche bag here; Tammy and Timmy with their TV-programmed cosmology of the universe are the LAST people who'll get a raw, unfiltered glimpse of any sort of higher energy, source, power, etc, lol.

It's like thinking a kid who barely grasps addition and subtraction will understand the logic of calculus, let alone how what they minimally understand is a subset of that, and you can only derive subsets from supersets, not the other way around.

So it is with True Knowledge/Gnosis.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26393408 - 12/21/19 01:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I have grown 20 years older, that is for sure and for certain. But like Ram Dass, my neuroses are still there, like concomitants to my Meso-Ectomorphic and Cerebrotonic temperaments. :shrug: Meanwhile, it's 3:53 a.m. EST here and not a time I'd launch myself off on a trip, but whatever time it is where you are, Happy Trails!



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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26394873 - 12/22/19 01:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Trip hard be safe Markos, I just came back from my solstice trip myself! :cool:


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Threads from God89]
    #26400069 - 12/25/19 05:35 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I had this or so I thought once as a kid.  I was examining a lot of books about ghosts and spirits when a student at a Catholic school.

I think it's an openness to aggression.  By meditating and allowing higher thought forms one can see angels and stuff like that.  It's really all one imagination, it's the analytical that tries to separate to make sense.

There are surely subtle realities and they can be quite engrossing.  I still wake up with scratches but no weird shit going down.  I think sometimes we do things in our sleep.  Such as wake up with our boner in our hand.


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    #26401078 - 12/26/19 12:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The paradox is that the higher our supernatural abilities are, the lower our natural resistance to supernatural phenomena are.


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    #26401132 - 12/26/19 03:04 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The paradox is that the higher our supernatural abilities are, the lower our natural resistance to supernatural phenomena are.




Hmmm, can you elaborate a bit more on what you mean here?


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #26401139 - 12/26/19 03:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

To me it seems as if people who believe in spellwork, magic and supernatural things  are also more affected by them (less resistant to). Ordinary people don't seem to have to worry about things they don't believe in.


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    #26401156 - 12/26/19 03:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ah ok I got you! I agree with that statement. I was thinking the exact same thing about another user's post in an unrelated thread. The line between genuine paranormal phenomena and schizophrenia is very thin IMHO.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: kneesocks]
    #26401175 - 12/26/19 04:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The paradox is that the higher our supernatural abilities are, the lower our natural resistance to supernatural phenomena are.



I read that as lower critical thinking equals rationalizing explanations with the supernatural more often


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26401250 - 12/26/19 07:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

There's a point where the analytical mind does not see.  It's a real bitch that way.

Psychedelics can completely trash the analytical.  So can dreams and brainwashing.  Waking up not sure if a nightmare has value or not.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Morel Guy] * 2
    #26401372 - 12/26/19 09:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

When a demon came to me, it definitely automatically threw me into paranoid delusion as the fear was so great. It's like having an invisible attacker, stalker, killer whatever you wanna call it and everyone will think you're crazy, while you get mentally tormented by an extrasensory entity. They come to teach great lessons though.. all experiences in life has to be converted into wisdom, especially ones like these.

From my experiences it seems these entities do exist, they seem to live within other humans, and there are many out there.

I don't prefer to label my experience as an attack as that puts me in victim mode, rather I learn from the negativity I was forced to look at and explore because of the experience itself, everything is a reflection of you.

Though there was a real entity that spawned in my closet sent apparently from an attacker. The night after it came to get me, and I endured a 4 hour panic attack, I was greeted with a random message on Facebook some person sent me a screenshot of my attacker saying how powerful he became that night. I then had to battle through severe paranoia as I have never battled extradimensional entities before haha, and having to sleep right next to the closet every single night after that traumatizing experience. I eventually had to battle this entity in my dreams, and I'd wake up in the middle of the night to it trying to feed off the distress it creates it would mainly be a black mass that had negative intention and felt like mental rape whenever it was near you. The attacker was apparently using the oujia board to conjure/create/work with these demons and send them at me. Near the end of the ordeal, one of the entities possessed a new friend I was just getting to know, it turned out to just be the entities or the attacker in disguise as another human, I would get messages from random people and it would always be the same person masquerading trying to get closer to me

The scariest part was it was apparently coming from another person but not in a physical tangible form, there's nobody to help you but you. I felt vulnerable invaded exposed and mentally raped. This wasn't just my imagination, it actually existed and included in my friends and families experience as well, it was actually from our friends discovery when she felt a terrible presence coming from the closet area and a feeling of "there's something in there that wants out" it soon popped out right after that as a black mass that creates large cold presences, bangs on shit and can knock over shit in its physical form so it was definitely a real entity that existed that was feeding off all the power I was giving away.

There was a time in my life when I was crippled from this experience and the trauma it induced, luckily I have grown through it and gained a lot of experience. It seems these things exist on their own dimension, and potentially within many humans, I know whenever I visit crowded places now a days I know the crowd is not just fully human, you can sense that presence in some individuals, the line blurs for me here as it gets into archonic deception, and if these things are continuing their existance by prodding and creating distress in human experiences


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Eclipse3130] * 2
    #26401475 - 12/26/19 11:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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When a demon came to me, it definitely automatically threw me into paranoid delusion as the fear was so great.

From my experiences it seems these entities do exist, they seem to live within other humans, and there are many out there.

I don't prefer to label my experience as an attack as that puts me in victim mode, rather I learn from the negativity I was forced to look at and explore because of the experience itself, everything is a reflection of you.

it would mainly be a black mass that had negative intention and felt like mental rape whenever it was near you.

This wasn't just my imagination, it actually existed and included in my friends and families experience as well, it was actually from our friends discovery when she felt a terrible presence coming from the closet area and a feeling of "there's something in there that wants out" it soon popped out right after that as a black mass that creates large cold presences, bangs on shit and can knock over shit in its physical form so it was definitely a real entity that existed that was feeding off all the power I was giving away.




They certainly do exist.
Monday December 16th, I had my first personal encounter with what I immediately recognized as a demon. Like yours it was a pitch black spirit. It came in while I was practicing a certain spell that was supposed to be white magic but ended up being sorcery and deception is how it ended up in my head for a few hours. I was deceived but I let myself be. It was a huge mistake.

It was very 'angry' and I could feel it 'slamming' things as well, and in my mind's eye it was making curse words and awful slurs appear. When I laid down in bed and shut off the lights trying to sleep that night, I could feel it 'looming' over me, and I quickly learned that the worst thing you can do is be afraid of them. It gives them power.

I noticed that they hijack your emotions and flip them upside down in relation to what you would normally feel from your thoughts. I tested this while I was pondering ways to purify myself. I thought of how the power of love felt, and what I felt at that time was pain and unease. I thought of the word life, and what I felt was sadness. I thought of holding hands and what I felt was fear. These are things that normally make me feel positive emotions when I think about them. It seems that certain thoughts make them uncomfortable.

At some point while I was thinking, I put my hands on my head, and after some time (a 'cycle' in magical terms) the demon suddenly 'popped' out of my head and went into my hands. This made me realize that the healing practice 'laying of hands' (a white magic spell) is an effective method for purifying them. I had prior knowledge that dark spirits can be returned into the land through trees, so I went outside and placed my hands on a large tree, and after some time the dark spirit left me.

I did learn a lot from this experience. Before that I had only done things to ward away evil spirits but had never dealt with an actual intrusion before.


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: kneesocks] * 2
    #26401518 - 12/26/19 11:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, totally agree. And the tools that are meant and used to ward away these entities really are not a barrier at all for one that really will be let in, through the portal of the mind. It is all on the level of mind, thought and emotion which they manipulate, the demon I encountered never lived inside my body but rather my house, and would come out every night for snacks pretty much, and I would continually feed it and help give it power to manifest and grow.

I eventually had to work through my fear every day going to sleep next to this thing until I reached a point of groundedness and slowly healed through the whole ordeal. We eventually left that house as well not for the entirety of the reason of the demon but how it just all seemed to fit perfectly in place of how it kind of kicked me awake into being conscious of so much unconsciousness. I am grateful for the experience even though I could clearly see it ending most people's lives or having them end up in the mental ward at the very least.

I like to look at it as a teaching or lesson, turning and pulling as much wisdom as possible from it, and knowing if I ever encounter another one, the power of knowing and understanding my own power against them is greater, the power of love, as it is not a real battle but one within our own selves


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Re: Demonic attacks [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26403984 - 12/28/19 02:27 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Great posts above, both of you. What are your thoughts on "entity attachments" as a concept? Do you guys think/observe/experience these "etheric vampires" latching on to weak people, drug addicts, etc? I have a working theory those people are like organic portals for that shit. Handles through which the anti-spiritual hooks can be cast into our realm. Just a thought.


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