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Is Christmas the best Holiday?
    #26400351 - 12/25/19 10:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Religion and commercialization aside I think every holiday has it's secular meaning. Which holiday is best? Christmas? Halloween? I think those would be the top two answers.


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Re: Is Christmas the best Holiday? [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #26400433 - 12/25/19 12:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

NYE has always been the most important/special for me. Something about finishing one and starting anew. I feel the same about midnight being my favourite time of day.


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Re: Is Christmas the best Holiday? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26401382 - 12/26/19 09:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

They tricked you into celebrating the new year a week late!


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Re: Is Christmas the best Holiday? [Re: Rahz]
    #26401563 - 12/26/19 12:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

historically Christmas takes the cake and Halloween is candy


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Re: Is Christmas the best Holiday? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26429332 - 01/12/20 09:05 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Meh, social engineering. Why do we need to set aside a day or period of time to devote certain activities to? Why not have family/friend gatherings all the time? Why not devote every day to love and kindness? Why not reflect every day on what is good and what can be done better? It wouldn't take up all your time to do this and I have a hard time seeing a downside to it.


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Re: Is Christmas the best Holiday? [Re: Virtualjay]
    #26430274 - 01/12/20 08:28 PM (4 years, 17 days ago)

that's the best, but it is not in most cases sustainable, somebody has to work, usually all week, often quite a few members must work. so the weekend becomes the rest and rejuvenation celebration time. (sabbath can be considered a sustainable ritual)


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Re: Is Christmas the best Holiday? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26432554 - 01/14/20 04:32 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

The best holiday, by far, is 4/20, especially here in Canada.


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Re: Is Christmas the best Holiday? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26434001 - 01/14/20 09:15 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
historically Christmas takes the cake and Halloween is candy




Usually it's fruit cake.


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Re: Is Christmas the best Holiday? [Re: Virtualjay]
    #26434038 - 01/14/20 09:41 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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Virtualjay said:
Meh, social engineering. Why do we need to set aside a day or period of time to devote certain activities to? Why not have family/friend gatherings all the time? Why not devote every day to love and kindness? Why not reflect every day on what is good and what can be done better? It wouldn't take up all your time to do this and I have a hard time seeing a downside to it.




Because ritual is an important component of the human psyche. Now this ritual component 'appears' to be manifested by some chimpanzees.  https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mysterious-chimpanzee-behavior-may-be-evidence-of-sacred-rituals/https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/chimps-may-be-performing-rituals-shrine-trees-180958301/

Of course to be fair, there are detractors to this hypothesis:  https://www.newsweek.com/chimp-throw-rocks-trees-communication-1477637

Ritual alters consciousness. One can easily see this around Christmas time in particular when multitudes are influenced by fond childhood reminiscences which sometimes flows outward to others in the form of kindness or generosity. Ritual has always been intended to alter consciousness. The Christmas tree or the big illuminated balls that descend a shaft high above the people on New Year's Eve are both forms of an Axis Mundi, a world axis around which people gather around. In Russia and Europe the same is true of the Maypole. Such structures have been around for unknown millennia because at the deepest levels the human psyche probably has not changed since time immemorial.


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Re: Is Christmas the best Holiday? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #26440430 - 01/18/20 03:24 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)

Not for the pine trees, but yes for big business.

http://changingminds.org/explanations/emotions/happiness/setpoint_happiness.htm

"There is a 'Set Point' theory of happiness and well-being that assumes we each have a fixed 'average' level of happiness around which our day-to-day and moment-to-moment happiness varies.

This is expressed in the idea of temperament, mood and emotion, where our natural temperament is stable, with slowly moving moods and momentary changes in experienced emotions.

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Set Point theory is supported by research such as Brickman et al. (1978), where it was shown that people who win the lottery, after the initial euphoria has died down, are no happier than people with spinal cord injuries. "

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=happiness+set+point&ia=web


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Re: Is Christmas the best Holiday? [Re: Rahz]
    #26443736 - 01/20/20 07:21 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

If it gives me the day off work then the holiday rocks...if it don't it sucks. I do appreciate Columbus day because we get to celebrate pirates.


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Re: Is Christmas the best Holiday? [Re: Rahz]
    #26444020 - 01/20/20 10:15 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
If it gives me the day off work then the holiday rocks...if it don't it sucks. I do appreciate Columbus day because we get to celebrate pirates.




Nah man. Nah.
Edit: History dude. Ethics, etc.

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Rahz said:
They tricked you into celebrating the new year a week late!




The new year was in March, pretty much everywhere for a few thousand years.


December 31, 1750 was followed by January 1, 1750 (under the "Old Style" calendar, December was the 10th month and January the 11th)
March 24, 1750 was followed by March 25, 1751 (March 25 was the first day of the "Old Style" year)
December 31, 1751 was followed by January 1, 1752 (the switch from March 25 to January 1 as the first day of the year)
September 2, 1752 was followed by September 14, 1752 (drop of 11 days to conform to the Gregorian calendar)
http://libguides.ctstatelibrary.org/hg/colonialresearch/calendar


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Re: Is Christmas the best Holiday? [Re: Rahz]
    #26444036 - 01/20/20 10:34 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

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Rahz said:
Religion and commercialization aside I think every holiday has it's secular meaning. Which holiday is best? Christmas? Halloween? I think those would be the top two answers.




i would just like to completely disagree with this. there is no putting the commercialization aside, thats what most holidays are for. for me there is not much  real meaning in any of them anymore other than to give you something to look forward to buying. most (western) holidays come from old euro pagan tradition

samhain
saturnalia
saturday
lupercalia
"Lupercalia was an ancient pagan festival held each year in Rome on February 15. ... Unlike Valentine's Day, however, Lupercalia was a bloody, violent and sexually-charged celebration awash with animal sacrifice, random matchmaking and coupling in the hopes of warding off evil spirits and infertility."

Etc..........


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Re: Is Christmas the best Holiday? [Re: Virtualjay]
    #26444096 - 01/20/20 11:42 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

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Virtualjay said:
Meh, social engineering. Why do we need to set aside a day or period of time to devote certain activities to? Why not have family/friend gatherings all the time? Why not devote every day to love and kindness? Why not reflect every day on what is good and what can be done better? It wouldn't take up all your time to do this and I have a hard time seeing a downside to it.




:whathesaid: :thumbup:

We dont celebrate those dated(dec 25) and crowded days. I work hard & still Its daily christmas for us. Everyday is a holiday and theres no calendar involved..




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Re: Is Christmas the best Holiday? [Re: pacmanbreed] * 1
    #26444692 - 01/21/20 11:31 AM (4 years, 8 days ago)

pro and cons to ever so called "holiday"..thanks giving is the best for people like me..food is king. Shiny toys and shiny lights do not do it for me. W/e floats your boat i guess :smile:


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