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most likely hashish, or cannabis and opium - both were available and equally endowed especially if a person practices devoutly
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Re: Do you think Mohammad had dmt experience? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said: most likely hashish, or cannabis and opium - both were available and equally endowed especially if a person practices devoutly
Yeah, I will agree that there was likely some of this involved. There's a long vein of substances of altered experience among the progressions/stories of religion dating back to animism/shamanism.
Obvious observation comes up in my mind: Indeed no particular person is special... There's tons of interesting stuff that comes from people on drugs and their experiences therein. Depending on the context and their mental aptitude going in, beautiful accounts/stories of important can come of it. Once a person has had one themselves, they can see the fingerprint in others who have.
The world is indeed 'flat' for the most part among humans.. Beyond concerted effort to cultivate your brain and cultivating experiences, there is no magic/mystery to the past. There are frontiers of it towards the future. Thus, its good to hold a little mystery/magic of the past in one's pocket... Gets the brain off on interesting thoughts of sorts thus why its such a time tested practice.
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Re: Do you think Mohammad had dmt experience? [Re: Sandsandy]
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Your comment is full of hate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
Wanting to protect one's women and have a stable society free from death cult dogma is hateful? Recognizing dangerous thought is hateful? Um, OK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden
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Re: Do you think Mohammad had dmt experience? [Re: r00tcmplx]
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Quote: (Everyone's got feelings like butt-holes.. There are no absolute 'feelings'. They're a dynamic toss up that can be determined by adjusting) Butt-holes or not butt-holes this is not a problem. Maybe all our universe is one molecule of fart of a bigger creature. Dimension and time do not have meaning without reference point. We fo not know we are big or small or we are at beginning or the end. We can not achieve to everything that we want just with thinking or imagination. Why every night you want to sleep you do not have the best dream ? Maybe you have but I don't. Or can you stop aging process just by thinking you are young?
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Re: Do you think Mohammad had dmt experience? [Re: Sandsandy]
#26396257 - 12/22/19 07:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you watch this:
My first trip on dmt (by jin yu)
When he says all cloud become into order like soldiers in the line. It is not like how Moslems stand for pray toward God. Or it is not similar to what it says in Quran surah tundar ayah 15 15. To God prostrates everyone in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, as do their shadows, in the morning and in the evening.
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Re: Do you think Mohammad had dmt experience? [Re: Sandsandy]
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Sandsandy said: Butt-holes or not butt-holes this is not a problem.
It is a problem if you rely solely on it. It is a problem if you rely heavily on it. It is a problem if you think your fee-fees are important especially if you 'feel' they are more important than everyone elses.
Feelings are like but-tholes in this way. You got them, I got them. Everyone has them. They are issued on birth like buttholes.
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Sandsandy said: Maybe all our universe is one molecule of fart of a bigger creature.
Maybe its not. Maybe its a simulation like simCity.. Anyone can pull anything out of their bums. It doesn't make it reality.
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Sandsandy said: Dimension and time do not have meaning without reference point. We fo not know we are big or small or we are at beginning or the end.
You know what you trouble yourself to know. Your brain fills in the rest based on what you've jammed in there.

Most people can't even reason properly about basic physics much less intelligently reason through metaphysics.. And yet, the mind tries to 'fill in the blanks' wherever it can with whatever is in it which brings us to the 'middle ground' between 'beginning' and 'end'. If you've troubled yourself to know a lot, what some declare as their mystery is a resolved/factual reality and thus you arrive upon a higher level of mystery... As does the human race with enough time/progress.
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Sandsandy said: We can not achieve to everything that we want just with thinking or imagination. Why every night you want to sleep you do not have the best dream ? Maybe you have but I don't. Or can you stop aging process just by thinking you are young?
This was my point. Everyone has feels and imaginations' like buttholes.. Someone's imagined reality of the past/present/future don't make it reality.. Religion is time captured metaphor/mystery/story telling. With enough time, reality supersedes religion and new ones are forged as placeholders for a future potential and/or as a confirmation of the nature of longer run trends.
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This is not logical. ALL experience is a psychological phenomenon and "imagination" is of at least two types (ordinary and "Active"). Dreams are imaginative, but are, strictly speaking, not imagination. As to "bullshit," that is not a description it is an emotional response. Unless one is intentionally fabricating a story in order to deceive another, stories are not "bullshit." The content of religious myth is not random. Myth is not falsehood. Myths are depictions of universal and archetypal themes, the very infra-structure of the psyche.
I have no idea what type of "order" you are referring to. Human physiology is relatively invariant (orderly) but drug interactions are infinitely variable and they do not establish anything resembling order as far as I can tell. Neither are drug interactions definitive of what is 'real' versus psychological reality. There is a book by Heinrich Kluver entitled Mescal, and Mechanisms of Hallcination wherein he described abstract patterns that he called "form constants," but these do not encompass the complex kaleidoscopic visions that indole psychedelics elicit. However, Mescaline has been known to elicit non-abstract scenes that were filled with mythological elements. Havelock Ellis did not perseverate about the mechanism but the content. He was not a pharmacologist but a physician who wrote on sexuality contemporaneously with Sigmund Freud. https://www.mescaline.com/artificialparadise/index.html But, if that's where you're at at this point we just value these phenomena differently.
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For me order is certain stages which everyone go through it. For example human development start with infancy then become childhood after that adolescent and next stage is adulthood and the last stage is old age. And no one can change this order. In dmt experience there is a order as well it starts with material world around the person who has the dmt experience, destroy itself and then they travel into the tunnel, and on the otherside of tunnel they hear loud sound and in the distance they see light. In most of dmt experience these stages can be seen.
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Re: Do you think Mohammad had dmt experience? [Re: r00tcmplx]
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r00tcmplx said: Most people can't even reason properly about basic physics much less intelligently reason through metaphysics.. And yet, the mind tries to 'fill in the blanks' wherever it can with whatever is in it which brings us to the 'middle ground' between 'beginning' and 'end'. If you've troubled yourself to know a lot, what some declare as their mystery is a resolved/factual reality and thus you arrive upon a higher level of mystery... As does the human race with enough time/progress.
Finally. This is the single-best post by any member on here in months. PM me when you get this please. We have much to discuss.
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Re: Do you think Mohammad had dmt experience? [Re: r00tcmplx]
#26396630 - 12/23/19 01:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here I am not talking about any religion. My question is that do you think Quran and dmt experiences have similarities or no? If you didn't read the Quran please read it if you didn't listen to dmt experiences please listen. I am not here to judge any religion or god, we have two documents one is Quran from past and the other one is people experience we want to compare them.
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Re: Do you think Mohammad had dmt experience? [Re: Sandsandy]
#26396660 - 12/23/19 01:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I recognize that certain radical alterations of consciousness have commonalities. DMT, of which I had only one experience, is one such example. The "machine elves" for example or insectoid entities (perhaps these are the same phenomena described with different idioms) are part of the flora & fauna of those experiences. I had a classic astral projection once. It seems I re-entered through my Navel Center but unlike other people's recorded journey I never saw an astral umbilical cord. Yet, 'out' was followed by re-entry. Near Death Experiences (NDE) often have a tunnel motif. All of these radical shifts are shifts in human consciousness yet we cannot know if they reveal metaphysical truths or whether these are just more subtle experiences of the yet living human being's psyche and are not glimpses into developmental stages beyond bodily existence.
Religious writings can be interpreted on levels, not stages. One exegetical method is called PaRDeS (PRDS) in Hebrew but the method can be applied to any religious writings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardes_(Jewish_exegesis) Ken Wilber, while not trained as a developmentalist has some fairly brilliant developmental schemes way beyond the limits that the discipline of Human Development acknowledges. My own PhD is in Human Development and Clinical Psych, but I took degrees in philosophy and in theology so I quite appreciate how Wilber has brought these disciplines together in his writings. And, as the now late great Baba Ram Dass (who died yesterday ) said in his Magnum Opus Remember: Be Here Now, "...it is an unfolding process..."
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Teachers I admire have claimed that there are no such levels, but rather that people are in different places. The difference is complex and so it is best not to use levels with regard to spirituality, as that introduces comparisons - missing the whole point of understanding what is happening spiritually.
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Re: Do you think Mohammad had dmt experience? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said: Teachers I admire have claimed that there are no such levels, but rather that people are in different places. The difference is complex and so it is best not to use levels with regard to spirituality, as that introduces comparisons - missing the whole point of understanding what is happening spiritually.
My own experience confirms those Gnostics who categorized 3 levels of human beings: Hylics/Sarkics, Psychichoi, Pneumaticoi. That is, those people who are materialists (sarx means 'flesh') and who identify with their body and the life of the senses, those people who possess varying degrees of faith based largely on the words of their religious scriptures, and those people who may still have faith but who have been blessed with some Experience that resulted in what is sometimes called 'assurance' in Protestant Christianity. These are the people who have experienced Gnosis, Knowing directly.
The denial of differences may be an attempt to equalize, much like ideological Marxists want to do by the elimination of classes in society. But taxonomizing, while it can be misused in the service of prejudice and oppression can also be used to help. In mental health professions it is important to discern what type of psychosis is ill-affecting a sufferer. Is is a Bipolar hypermania or a Schizophrenic paranoid delusion causing all the hullabaloo? Proper diagnosis is necessary for correct treatment approaches. Meanwhile, ALL sufferers need to be treated kindly regardless of their mental disorder. ALL people need to be treated, as Ram Dass (may he rest in peace) like they are "God in drag." Regardless of this, it is clear that one will find levels and while there is 'upward mobility' there is also 'back-sliding.' The late Icelander was a spiritual seeker like myself (he and I were the same age) and he spent time in a Yoga ashram. Then the deceptions and disenchantment and finally aversiveness to spirituality set in for several decades. In the end he began to PM me about Gnostic religion, asking for reading sites and finding certain agreements with what he was reading (although he was not specific).
There is variability in one's spiritual glow, just like the star Betelgeuse in the constellation of Orion, which has been fairly dim from our view since October). Electrons drop to a 'shell' closer to the nucleus of the atom to which they belong and emit energy in the process. Some people remain basically materialistic their entire lives, like my own late mother. Needy for attention, she used to listen to me when I lived at home again during my seminary years (never really considering anything I was saying, just enjoying the attention) but at the end of her life when I suggested that there might be light instead of darkness she became quite agitated and upset at the suggestion because the possibility of Something instead of Nothing seemed to negate a life-long 'belief,' or perhaps I should say disbelief. The gnosis that I now possess about Ultimate Reality is best said by Socrates who allegedly said "All I know is that I know nothing." But what I know about the people I meet suggests what in the field of Parapsychology are referred to as 'sheep and goats,' 'believers' and non-believers. Among the former category is the sub-category of those who have experienced a Psi function themselves. These 'levels' are difficult not to see.
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Re: Do you think Mohammad had dmt experience? [Re: Sandsandy]
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Sandsandy said: For me order is certain stages which everyone go through it. For example human development start with infancy then become childhood after that adolescent and next stage is adulthood and the last stage is old age. And no one can change this order. In dmt experience there is a order as well it starts with material world around the person who has the dmt experience, destroy itself and then they travel into the tunnel, and on the otherside of tunnel they hear loud sound and in the distance they see light. In most of dmt experience these stages can be seen.
Most people just bask in the human experience. Few are truly attempting to understand it. How long have psychedelics been around and how many trip reports are there? 1000s of conversations pacing over the same ground. How many forums? How many posts here? Where's the utopic oneness after one's magical third eye is opened? It's nowhere... Because, all you're doing is taking a trip in your own head. You're not magically swooping around the universe, talking with god or angels/demons. You're at the seat of your own mind... your subconscious.. Your experiences.. Your memories.. and when you come back, no matter how hard you try or how much you think you've changed : You're still (YOU). And if you want to change that, you have to put in work in the real world.
What is most sad about this going into 2020 is that there are all of these people in their separate camps and few trying to bring anything together.. You got mathematicians and all they wanna talk about is math. Philosophers, all they wanna do is sit around talking about abstractions they never spend any time trying to 'construct' something with. The scientists busy themselves with bogus theories/conjectures/formulations with few exception. The engineer too busy spinning out the latest data hovering product that ruins society to have any time to sit still and think of something great to create. The occasional/too occasional drug user lost in the proverbial sauce. The spiritual person in their silo community with their heads in the clouds.. The great earth and reality suffering meanwhile because there is no collective and broad cohesion across tightly related abstractions.
The average person.. forget about it. Their brains are mush, filled with propaganda, fake news, low IQ, willful ignorance... Has an opinion on everything underneath the son and has no clue what their talking about. Latches on to religion because it gives them purpose, direction, hope, and community but too dishonest to admit it. Fighting in the name of their 'God' and beliefs as if that's a higher calling.
Not informed on anything besides what gratifies them and their 9-5. Voting for whatever sounds best for their own sake.
Back to the OP, Did Mohammad have a dmt experience? So what if he did? A lot of people here have had psychedelics. It's not magic. It's a MIND ALTERING substance. That's it. No magic sleigh ride to meet God. General anesthesia works the same way on everyone because WE ALL HAVE pretty much the same type of brain and chemistry therein.
Instead of trying to find a tv dinner answer and solution to life, how about everyone be true to themselves and admit who they are and what they actually put effort into becoming. You played with some drugs that altered your brain chemistry for a while and let you see some things? Cool, and what did you learn from it? And what changes did you make to your life? And how are you ensuring those changes don't revert? And what are you manifesting in the world as a result? And who are you seeking to become?
Who cares what somebody did a thousand years ago... THEY ARE JUST HUMAN BEINGS .. doing exactly what you're doing.. Living life. I have epiphanies. I have my own philosophies. I have my own theories. I have my own revelations... Nobody's special. Not me, you, or any human being whose ever walked this earth. As for Ayys, point me to one that Everybody on earth has witnessed? Can't? Well, until then, they simply don't exist and are a figment of your imagination. Do you want to theorize about a potential God and how they created the universe, the laws, and purpose? Cool, lets have a conversation about that.
But talking about whether some dead dude who wrote some things in a book took drugs?

What's gained from this conversation? Go read a more current DMT drug report... The dude had the same cool visuals as you? Cool bro... And what are you doing with that?
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Re: Do you think Mohammad had dmt experience? [Re: Sandsandy]
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Sandsandy said: Here I am not talking about any religion. My question is that do you think Quran and dmt experiences have similarities or no?
Yes/No.. It doesn't matter. I will never know 100% because the creators of it are dead and their stories buried with them. Religion has a long dated history of drug usage for 'visions'. This goes back 10s of thousands of years before there was Hebrew/Arabic... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism
I posted a chart showing the history of religion. Why not spend some time researching it? Hebrew/Arabic aren't original languages. They aren't original cultures. The creator of the universe didn't give either a special message. Same goes for all religions. Religions are cultural theology. They are written in native tongues of people/society. There is no universal language across all human beings. There is no universal religion. No universal experience. ART/pictures/observations can be made without drugs. They can be made without religion.
Arabic culture predates Islam. Arabic language predates Islam. Arabic art predates 'muh prophet' and Islam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic
So, again, why do I care about some ancient dude's trip report? How many trip reports are there? Shamans were doing this 10's of thousands of years before Judiasm->Christianity->Islam existed. Are you looking at cave drawings of Animals and asking if they were Tripping?
Let me post this for the 100th time :

Find Islam on the chart. Look to the left. Note the year.. Now go down the timeline.
ISLAM IS not an original religion. None of them are. The earliest is animism which is literally primitive human beings reasoning about abstracting their characteristics and projecting them onto animals. Ah, you are like snake.. sneaky Ah, you have a lion spirit.. tough
are drugs involved in every insight? God... Spirits and ish'? No man, get your head out your butt.
Open your third eye for God's sake People are running around rambling about religion... It's 2019 dude. We have information now as to the history of human beings and religion. You still gonna keep telling yourself after a DMT experience? That such a garbage foolishness is TRUTH? Obviously DMT/psychedelics really don't do much transcendence. All they do is amplify who you already are regardless of if you're truly aware of that or not.
People take them, alter their mind and its so different often from their day-to-day that they think they've experienced magic. It's not dude. But I saw God.. No you didn't dude. But I saw light bro.. Yeah, it was probably your optic nerve spazzing the fuck out. Once the boys at Hopkins due current studies, they'll likely prove this. But of course, a low IQ person is going to keep telling themselves its something different.. because of course your big brain knows better than Science (The truth that God puts in front of you as plain as day)
Arabic art isn't due to drugs. Nature produces fractals :


Big brains see patterns/math and draw up their own inspired versions. The visuals you see in temples relates to ARABIC culture. The written language itself is an art-form. The stuff you see in temples relates to math/fractals and arabic culture.
Buddhist create similar temples based on math/fractals :
 Hindus :

You name it. You're not special. Arabs aren't special. Islam isn't special. Get over it.
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Sandsandy said: If you didn't read the Quran please read it
I already have.. All 3 Popular middle-eastern religions derive from earlier religions of the region. They're all derivative/cultural amalgamations. Jews forked theirs so they could convince people to form a tribe and a collective so they were stronger. Europe forked theirs so they could try to fix Rome and bring the plebs under one roof. Arabs formed theres because things weren't looking kinda scary with all of these other empires strengthening around them.
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Sandsandy said: if you didn't listen to dmt experiences please listen. I am not here to judge any religion or god, we have two documents one is Quran from past and the other one is people experience we want to compare them.
I'm in search of God in its purest and most truthful form. I build upon a collection of religious stories of time's past to form a blurry picture.. I refine that picture in my mind's eye. I don't need to listen to someone else's trip report. I've gone over enough. My conclusion : big brains conceive of big things.. Small brains see cool visuals they don't understand. You had a cool experience taking a mind altering drug? congrats, that's the point and how it works. Your brain is a sensitive system. If you perturb it enough, you're going to have an altered experience. In that experience your mind will piece together what it can.. THE END
You didn't talk to God. You didn't travel across the universe on a spirit sled. You were in your own head. But but.. my experience was similar to others Ofc it was, you have almost identical brains/brain structure.
My theory is that these class of drugs are going to be more widely available to people in the future.. Instead of 'awakening their third eye', it's going to stupefy them and bring them down even further. This is kind of why it was bottled up back in the day. There was no conspiracy to keep people alseep... The govt just feared what a bunch of LOW iQ people would do if they truly thought they were awakened Gods and rightfully so. While it was great for people of sound mind/intellect, it's clear how much of a clownshow is created when this gets in the hands of an average person. A DMT trip is likely fucking up your brain chemistry with such an unnatural dose of DMT that you quite literally are experiencing death.. Go up to a computer and start altering random bits in it and see what happens. Your brain is similar except it is constantly attempting to error correct and solidify patterns.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2018.00536/full Go read about the chemical DMT. GO read about receptor sites in the brain related to this compound. Go read white papers that explain what's going on. Stop trying to find answers in rando's trip reports and ancient religions. You're fishing for answers that aren't there. This is one of the reasons I don't advocate these class of drugs becoming wide spread. Certain minds aren't meant for it which is why it was reserved for Shamans primarily in the past and spiritual gurus to help translate the experience to people constructively. Now every yahoo thinks they can pop a pill and become enlightened. What's going to happen instead now is that, now that media/perception are so mastered and people are so alseep, they're going to flood society with them and really take what remains of people's mush brains.
There's a reason why all the dog crap album art has psychedelic depictions, commercials, medias, shows.. Hell even taco bell commercials are in on it :
^this is the drug society you live in.. And people are trying to find out as they tattoo their bodies with random idiocy, color their hair, pierce very part of their body .. Meme/LARP ancient/older culture if Muh boy Muhamad was on DMT because man that's some meta thinking and trippy art fam.. He had to be on somethin...

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MarkostheGnostic said: I recognize that certain radical alterations of consciousness have commonalities. DMT, of which I had only one experience, is one such example. The "machine elves" for example or insectoid entities (perhaps these are the same phenomena described with different idioms) are part of the flora & fauna of those experiences. "
The spoopy classic clockwerk elves/reptiles are nothing more than you personifying your subconscious. It's ofc a lower mind state, so you attribute animal like traits to it as you're exposed.
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MarkostheGnostic said: I had a classic astral projection once. It seems I re-entered through my Navel Center but unlike other people's recorded journey I never saw an astral umbilical cord. Yet, 'out' was followed by re-entry. Near Death Experiences (NDE) often have a tunnel motif. All of these radical shifts are shifts in human consciousness yet we cannot know if they reveal metaphysical truths or whether these are just more subtle experiences of the yet living human being's psyche and are not glimpses into developmental stages beyond bodily existence.
Nothing more than your consciousness shifting around looking for equilibrium after you've royally messed it up by altering your brain chemistry so drastically. Light at the end of tunnel/tunnel relate to properties of your optic nerve and its delicate nature. When you close your eyes and go to sleep at night and dream, it's akin to the same thing.. Vision gets cut and you retreat into your head. So, yet again, you've royally fucked something in your brain to cause that 'toggle' switch to flip over. The boys at Hopkins/other universities are no doubt going to crack and reveal this in the years to come.. Next will come the great pharma push for using these drugs for just about everything under the sun especially the already fucked up minds that society has created... Coupled with a deep scientific understanding of how these things function, the average person doesn't stand a chance. There are going to be all types of recreational 'mood adjustment'/perception/cognitive adjustment variants that will be legalized... And its going to put people further to sleep and addicted to the mundane human experience.
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MarkostheGnostic said: My own PhD is in Human Development and Clinical Psych, but I took degrees in philosophy and in theology so I quite appreciate how Wilber has brought these disciplines together in his writings. And, as the now late great Baba Ram Dass (who died yesterday ) said in his Magnum Opus Remember: Be Here Now, "...it is an unfolding process..."
And where do you honestly and truly believe society is going with the current trends? Nothing points to broad based enlightenment especially with the current norms and drug culture every present... Just like it become a sh*t show in the 70s.. Except this time pharma/corporations are going to be along for the ride.
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You name it. You're not special. Arabs aren't special. Islam isn't special. Get over it.
You are right. In my opinion religions are like diet. They depend on culture and environment. And no one can say which diet is best diet. Some people have high carb diet some low carb, some high protein, some are vegetarian and all of them can be healthy. But I don't talk about religions. In my opinion people how have dmt experience they see another world because they see new geometry which they can not explain it. If you gather all your knowledge even knowledge in your butt still you can not create new geometry because human is not creator. Creator is someone can give existence to something from nothing this is a definition of creator. I think you believe on evolution because of that you want to link everything to human mind. Even if evolution is right, it programmed with higher power. This world has engineer. When people in dmt experience they see waiting room what do you think about it maybe you think human subconscious like waiting room? Is not similar to this ayah:
Surah 23 Al-Mu'minun, Ayat 99-100
(23:99) (They shall persist in their deeds) until when death comes to anyone of them he will say: "My Lord, send me back to the world89 (23:100) that I have left behind. I am likely to do good."Nay, it is merely a word that he is uttering.There is a barrier behind all of them (who are dead) until the Day when they will be raised up.
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Sandsandy
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Re: Do you think Mohammad had dmt experience? [Re: r00tcmplx]
#26398623 - 12/24/19 05:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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God help you all in the years to come
Same to you.
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redgreenvines
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@markosTG, the 3 types that are referenced in the gnostic culture support mental develoment within the gnostic framework. frameworks are useful, but never comprehensive, by definition, they put a box around a subset of reality. this can be usefull but only in a limited way.
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Kmacmo
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Re: Do you think Mohammad had dmt experience? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26398836 - 12/24/19 08:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Probably just some story that got out of hand and grew a few extra limbs and got massively obese over the years... People like to add own their own bits to a story and over time it is no longer comparable to the original story.
Religion is taught through your environment, mostly forced (easy for a parent to make their kids believe anything they want them to believe... If my parents told me there's a land where it rains chocolate 24/7... I would have no choice but to believe them until I grow tall enough to use the damn computer and find the real facts. Why is it Pakistan is majority Muslim, America mostly christian, Mexico Christian, Argentina Christian.
Understandable though some country's you get killed for your beliefs, some country's you get disowned by the family... Both just as bad so it's easyer to just go with it and not be a problem child
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