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the sheer bliss of the heroic dose 3
#26397076 - 12/23/19 09:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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When I take mushrooms, I go straight for 5g cubensis. It takes me right into that awe inspiring psychedelic space I cherish. At doses like 1-5g-3.5g, I’m tripping but not necessarily having a great time...it’s as if my normal mind state gets in the way. I can get anxious in an annoying way. Things for me are MUCH more simple at a dose of five grams. Sure you are slammed, but after that initial period of laying down stupefied by it all, you just feel so alive and blissful. Or at least I do. I have had experiences of utter joy and connectedness with the universe, pure happiness like I haven’t felt since I was a young child at this dose. And this is of course given proper set and setting.
Does anyone else feel like heroic doses are inherently “easier” in this way like I do? I genuinely am surprised sometimes at how afraid people are to dose 5g. It’s an intense experience for sure, and the come up can be bizarre, but there is really nothing scary about it whatsoever as long as you are tripping in the proper setting with people you trust. Like I have stated, I feel like it is actually much easier because you are just catapulted into this beautiful hyperspace. Hanging around 3g gives me annoying closed eye visuals of faces and other nonsensical morphing phenomena, no euphoria or little, no insight or surges of love. Just not really much to write home about in general. At higher doses psilocybin takes the wheel completely and it’s a beautiful thing. If you haven’t done a “heroic” dose yet, plan it out and make it happen. You won’t regret it 
Anyone want to chime in with some thoughts? What is your typical dose? I’m over 6ft tall and weigh around 190-200. I’ve also got a fair amount of experience with mushrooms and LSD others may not have. So I understand if 5g isn’t for everyone. No judgments. Just looking to hear from others
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26397150 - 12/23/19 10:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’m 5’7” and about 125lbs. I get the blissful ness and the euphoria, as well as time dilation, feelings of eternity, oneness, connectedness, gratitude. Amazing CEVs and OEVs. Totally immersive 3D music. .....From 3.8g Psilocybe Cubensis B+. 5g absolutely floors me. And generally at the peak, the intensity further ramps up, not in a blissful way either - generally involves reality tearing in front of my eyes. The faces etc in the OEVs multiply by a factor of millions, and all the air is sucked out of my lungs. I have at this point used all my will to resist and somehow get through it. I am finding it so much easier to let go on 3.8g than 5g, and still get the effects I seek. In fact I would say that because I am letting go more easily, the trips are getting stronger anyway from the same “low”dose of 3.8g. I was under the understanding though that size and weight have no influence on how a dose will affect you; I would be happy to be corrected on this though.
Take care, and mush love, DJ Ed
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: DJ Ed]
#26397178 - 12/23/19 10:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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DJ Ed said: I’m 5’7” and about 125lbs. I get the blissful ness and the euphoria, as well as time dilation, feelings of eternity, oneness, connectedness, gratitude. Amazing CEVs and OEVs. Totally immersive 3D music. .....From 3.8g Psilocybe Cubensis B+. 5g absolutely floors me. And generally at the peak, the intensity further ramps up, not in a blissful way either - generally involves reality tearing in front of my eyes. The faces etc in the OEVs multiply by a factor of millions, and all the air is sucked out of my lungs. I have at this point used all my will to resist and somehow get through it. I am finding it so much easier to let go on 3.8g than 5g, and still get the effects I seek. In fact I would say that because I am letting go more easily, the trips are getting stronger anyway from the same “low”dose of 3.8g. I was under the understanding though that size and weight have no influence on how a dose will affect you; I would be happy to be corrected on this though.
Take care, and mush love, DJ Ed
It sounds like you’ve found the perfect dose for you. No need to overdue it where it’s unpleasant. I’m larger generally and have a muscular frame left over from getting into bodybuilding years ago. Your dose fits your size but most importantly fits you “psychically”, which where is what counts the most! Be well and mvshluv to you as well
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26397185 - 12/23/19 10:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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And size and weight have to play a role. I’ve heard that said before too...nonsense; this assertion doesn’t make any sense when you consider it pharmacologically. It certainly is at least one factor at play, no doubt.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26397240 - 12/23/19 11:21 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only trouble I have with this, is the use of '5 gram' terminology which I think originated with Mckenna...
'5 gram/heroic dose'doesn't really mean anything.
Everyone wants to take 5 grams, so they can say they have taken 5 grams, but we're talking about plant materials, and mushrooms in my experience are far more variable potency wise, than plants such as mimosa hostilis. 5g of average potency shrooms is a good dose but nothing too crazy (most shrooms I ever grew multi spore were pretty average). But now and then, some cubes will come along that could make '5 grams' mean something more like ten grams etc....
People should not be recommended to roll the dice like that unless they know beforehand the potency of their mushrooms.
While there is some truth to the idea that a 'heroic' dose is more likely to bring a great experience, its also a rather dangerous internet fallacy in my opinion, because make no mistake, the dangers of psychedelics increase with the dosage. Few people ever went to hospital on 2 grams!
And a person won't automatically be able to surrender every time, simply because the dose is a large one, nor will he necessarily have a bad experience if the dose is too low.
It's becoming internet lore now, that low doses cause things like anxiety, and high doses enable one to surrender better, but we have to remember how much of a role placebo/expectations play with these things.
I would always recommend a small dose first, to gauge what kind of shrooms you are dealing with, before deciding to munch 5 grams of them!
But you know what people just forget the '5 grams' thing already, and what other people say, and take whatever you feel is right for you...
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26397300 - 12/23/19 12:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Did you work your way up to that dosage in the past or did you just dive in your early experiences? Do you still get anxiety pre-dosing such a dose?
I'm looking to jump in at that depth but my ego is still fearful of a larger dose than 3.5g
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: wolf8312] 2
#26397313 - 12/23/19 12:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm of the opinion that while lower to moderate dosages can be cool/useful, it is generally recommended to approach these tools from a high dosage and learn how to use these tools properly, which means learning to surrender/let go, let the tool take the wheel, stop focusing on externalities, go within, immerse yourself fully into the experience, because while the risks may be a bit higher than lower to moderate dosages, higher dosages are way more beneficial and imo are how they're supposed to be used, even though you can use these things for different purposes and in different ways, most people fail to truly understand the Entheogenic experience because they don't take enough or they use/approach them improperly. These tools are initiatory, teaching, and disciplining tools, while one can have a good time on/with them, most people tend to miss out on the much needed wisdom and insights/revelations and understandings these tools can provide.
But, in general, i tend to agree that with mushrooms at least, most people diddle the dose as Terence said, they take low dosages and are straight up afraid to go "through the shit", for whatever reason. Sure, these tools can be intimidating and i understand that, but people need to go for a proper experience imo. If one is new, sure, start low and work your way up, but work your way up to higher dosages/fuller territory, don't stick to low dosages. Now, i also realize mushroom potency varies, and some people are more sensitive or less sensitive to Psilocin (maybe to do with people's MAO-A enzyme status, as 3.5 grams of mushrooms or 35mgs of 4-ACO-DMT with a full dose of Harmalas can be a full on dosage, whereas without Harmalas it's generally a more moderate dosage), so some people may need more or less mushrooms for the same effects, but idk man people just aren't really talking about the things these tools are truly capable of, everyone seems to focus on visuals and recreational usage and laughing/giggling/having a fun time while trying to avoid the difficult/challenging moments, but there's way more to these tools than the majority of users seem to experience.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Sabnock]
#26397469 - 12/23/19 01:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would use 3 grams of a highly potent batch. I threw away sack fulls of average potency shrooms because they were low in psilocin and lacked the special purity and magic that was contained within the others. 5 grams of the shrooms I binned could never have matched 3 grams of those that I kept, cherished and feared.
I have never been one to simply stick my toe in the water and always go for the full on experience. There is no point doing it otherwise imo. This is the problem though you see. You are assuming that the experiences I had were not high doses, based on a number, or dosage, or perhaps because I am advising caution.
But they were high dose experiences, not because of a number, but because the shrooms contained high amounts of psilocin/psilocybin combined with a whole host of other variables from my body weight to personal sensitivity.
I wasn’t warning against a good strong dose but irresponsible use.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Socrateshroom]
#26397757 - 12/23/19 03:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I understand what you mean, and understand potency can vary greatly. Unfortunately, we can only speak in quantified absolutes when talking about dose, so I said 5 grams. My last grow resulted in some very potent PES Hawaiians. The one before were Mazatapec and not as strong. I’m not tied to a specific dose number in grams. I’m interested in the experience. Think of it in terms of Shulgin’s “+” scale of that helps you. I’m after the mushroom “++++”. That’s what I am speaking of. And I think psilocybin mushrooms have a very unique “++++” that can be attained at dosing “heroically” that is I am quite sure very different to each unique soul experiencing it.
Also...anyone who just wants to take 5 grams to say they did it doesn’t sound like a very properly oriented psychonaut lol...I hope they do take a high dose...maybe they will be humbled and learn something about what this is really all about - and lose the high school mentality.
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Socrateshroom said: Did you work your way up to that dosage in the past or did you just dive in your early experiences? Do you still get anxiety pre-dosing such a dose?
I'm looking to jump in at that depth but my ego is still fearful of a larger dose than 3.5g
You can do it, don’t be afraid. There is nothing to be afraid of. I first started with doses around 3.5 max, out of fear as you say. One day an inner voice told me it was time to go further and I did. When it calls you, go for it. It can’t hurt you. It can and likely will astonish you though. It’s important to look at it all as an enterprise of fun and be open to having fun. I believe the mushroom responses to that..
Here’s a generalized trip report for anyone who cares. So I don’t get any more anxious on the come up, but when the mushrooms are especially potent, I can be in a sort of quasi stupor in the couch for 20 minutes or so. I stay lying down in near darkness during the come up. There may rarely be some nausea but I am not prone to that - it will pass quick if I get it.
On the come up I will get auditory hallucinations like sort of buzzing near and inside my head, and usually also this repetitive digital type tonal repetition that seems to be emanating from the rear of my head. None is this is scary...not if you are just going with it, and remember nothing actually bad can happen (you didn’t take 12 grams or something nuts - you are fine!). I honestly thought nothing other than “huh...okay” the first time I heard that stuff...
You see, I think psilocybin compensates for you somehow at the higher doses and makes you more brave & more open, because it has stuff it’s eager to show you. It’s a little bit of a subtle form of the DMT state - you can sense the mushroom has a voice, is somehow an entity in some way and is really excited to show you stuff and just hang out lol.
Anyway...typically what happens is that my body and senses begin to acclimate and I then find myself in absolute awe and astonishment of everything. I notice colors before patterns and seem to see endless nuanced shades of every color there is or ever could be. Closed eye visuals are of a rapidly changing and endlessly complex geometrical nature. I have an energy that then swarms through me born out of the utter uniqueness of the world I am in and anchored in the radiating beauty of all things seen and unseen.
At these doses you can start to get some “funny ideas.” I have had my basic notions of things like time and space utterly obliterated in the coolest ways. Premonitions, remembering things long forgotten. I have conversed with what is believe to be God or an intermediary to God - this actually happens to me at basically any substantial dose of mushrooms though. It’s my personal take on the voice of the “Other” that many experience. I have felt myself leave my body or in other ways become outside of myself and one with objects I can choose to assign significance, like say this miniature sculpture of the Egyptian sphinx I have in my office.
These are all delightful, incredible sensations that I’ve never felt uncomfortable at all with. Just tripping BALLS. This might all sound like a lot, but you will feel your ego fade and heart fill with love and warmth as long as set and setting are correct and you are well rested and not currently in any emotional distress, etc. I do at least. Mushrooms have changed me from a stressed out angry father into one with a lot more patience and love and appreciation for being alive in general. I think psilocybin wants that for the most part to be your experience at a high doses, and at medium doses it seems to try to act as more of a direct and stern teacher...though it'll still teach you plenty way up there too. But I’m going on. This is just my 2cents anyway. Hope you enjoyed reading.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26397762 - 12/23/19 03:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilotyl said: And size and weight have to play a role. I’ve heard that said before too...nonsense; this assertion doesn’t make any sense when you consider it pharmacologically. It certainly is at least one factor at play, no doubt.
I’m quite a logical person, and logically, this dosage thing makes no logical sense to me at all. Surely it must do; you’re almost twice the man I am! But then if you think of it mathematically....5g dried is approx 30mg psychoactive substance from mushrooms. Your weight approx 90kg mine 55kg. 30mg into 90kg = 33x10-6; 30mg into 55kg = 54x10-6. I don’t know, does that mean i’m getting almost twice the dose you are getting from the same 5g dried then?
Might be something in it.....
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Replying to your first reply, I agree with you 100% sir. I think I’ve found my sweet spot (with this particular batch of B+ :-). ). But I still intend to do a5g+ dose once, maybe twice a year. I do believe with higher doses, you journey further and learn more; it just takes that much more energy out of you. I am working with fortnightly 3.8g doses to keep my depression away. The higher doses are just to satisfy my love of psychedelics.
Mush love, Psilocybe, DJ Ed
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26398272 - 12/23/19 08:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Personally, I like to get to a point where I feel like I am "properly tripping", but I can only really gauge this from the effects, as the sclerotia I eat can be extremely variable in potency.
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At these doses you can start to get some “funny ideas.”
It doesn't seem to get mentioned very often that at higher doses you are becoming somewhat detached from reality and the trip can take on delusional characteristics.
I quite enjoy this feeling (up to a point) as it makes me feel more immersed in the trip, it starts to erase the feeling that what is happening is 'just a trip' and contributes to a kind of 'suspension of disbelief' which makes things seem more magical / exciting / weird.
Something written during a trip earlier this year:
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I am dreaming of universes and time.
CEV: I see the same cuboid mazes of darkened geometry and hideous algebra. You don't have to understand the algebra, you just have to watch it over your head and hope that it stays there.
You can close your eyes. You can open them. And the rest is madness.
They wait. They wait. They wait. And then they come. They study. They watch. They record. And then they destroy. They undo. They expunge.
And we are back where we started, with more data, and less hope.
And you wondered what the end looked like. And now you know.
Are you paranoid? Delusional? Did you take these drugs? Congratulations. You won.
You will not know what they are. But you will know them. In your paranoid delusions. There are aliens.
You should be able to tell by the size of the writing that I am crazy. Am I serious? I don't know. That is what worries me. That we have been here before. And wrote this already.
You wait. You watch. And you write.
Are you one of us? Or one of them?
I like this strange mood where you are aware that you are becoming slightly unhinged, and yet part of you is serious.
I find the onset is generally more weird / paranoid / creepy, and after the peak is more euphoric / grandiose / manic, but I enjoy both parts of the trip.
I think you have to be comfortable with some level of insanity to enjoy tripping when it gets like this.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26398486 - 12/24/19 01:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilotyl said: And size and weight have to play a role. I’ve heard that said before too...nonsense; this assertion doesn’t make any sense when you consider it pharmacologically. It certainly is at least one factor at play, no doubt.
Haven’t been able to stop thinking about this dose vs. size thing, Psilotyl!
The maths suggests I get twice the dose that you do from the same weight of mushrooms. But the calculation only considers physical body size. Thinking about where the psychoactive substance goes to in the body, it all goes to the brain’s 5-HT2a receptors - isn’t the argument about dose related to us all having the same size brain? I mean, regardless of body weight, brain weight is more or less consistent,therefore physical size does not affect trip intensity.
Just a thought.......
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: DJ Ed]
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Psilotyl said: And size and weight have to play a role. I’ve heard that said before too...nonsense; this assertion doesn’t make any sense when you consider it pharmacologically. It certainly is at least one factor at play, no doubt.
Haven’t been able to stop thinking about this dose vs. size thing, Psilotyl!
The maths suggests I get twice the dose that you do from the same weight of mushrooms. But the calculation only considers physical body size. Thinking about where the psychoactive substance goes to in the body, it all goes to the brain’s 5-HT2a receptors - isn’t the argument about dose related to us all having the same size brain? I mean, regardless of body weight, brain weight is more or less consistent,therefore physical size does not affect trip intensity.
Just a thought.......
Mush love, DJ Ed
Interesting point. Another perhaps in favor would be that as I got older and heavier (getting a grip on that now though!) far from the same doses I used to take diminishing in effect, I am now far more sensitive, and go far farther, with far less.
When younger I would fearlessly eat much greater doses than I do now, but not get as far. After hyperspace, I became more attuned to the spirit realm...
Same with cannabis too for that matter, which basically makes me trip if taken without tolerance! I know weed is more potent now but still...
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: wolf8312]
#26398597 - 12/24/19 04:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting point. Another perhaps in favor would be that as I got older and heavier (getting a grip on that now though!) far from the same doses I used to take diminishing in effect, I am now far more sensitive, and go far farther, with far less.
I am finding that exact same thing; as I get more experienced, I am going so much further from the same dose. I’m 53 now; have been reading stuff lately (Michael Pollan) and watching YouTube vids, where a lot of people are suggesting that mushrooms are wasted on the young! They haven’t got set enough in their ways yet for mushrooms to be as liberating! I’m 53 now and can sort of see where these views are coming from, particularly as I’m starting to benefit more from less.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: DJ Ed]
#26398678 - 12/24/19 06:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know what you mean. 3.5 usually leaves me very uncomfortable like I'm stuck in the "come up" the entire time. I personally like taking atleast 7gs, atleast with these mushrooms (PF classic and malabars) so I dont know if I grew some weak mushrooms or if it just takes a bit more for me to get off...
But I really wouldnt consider 5gs heroic or even unusual...
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My 5g experience was of another dimension. I assume you are all correct in the amount of psilocybin contained in the shrooms is what matters. 5g of my golden teachers would be like 1 g of my PE. Not really knowing the content but using weight as a measurement is not accurate. I would always suggest starting small on a batch, then increase at will..
My new definition of 5g is loosing time and reality. Unable to distinguish thought due to almost mental Paralysis.. and as Jefferson Airplane states... logic and Proportion have fallen sloppy dead..Which is very accurate. I saw elves and was an elf. All at 5g of PE.
Great thread btw.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: DJ Ed]
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DJ Ed said: Interesting point. Another perhaps in favor would be that as I got older and heavier (getting a grip on that now though!) far from the same doses I used to take diminishing in effect, I am now far more sensitive, and go far farther, with far less.
I am finding that exact same thing; as I get more experienced, I am going so much further from the same dose. I’m 53 now; have been reading stuff lately (Michael Pollan) and watching YouTube vids, where a lot of people are suggesting that mushrooms are wasted on the young! They haven’t got set enough in their ways yet for mushrooms to be as liberating! I’m 53 now and can sort of see where these views are coming from, particularly as I’m starting to benefit more from less.
Mush love, DJ Ed
Just finished listening to 'how to change your mind' by Pollen on audible. Didn't think too much of it at first, but by the time I got to the end, I decided that I would definitely be keeping it, and not exchanging it for a credit! Funny at times too although I think the narrator was good, he somehow wasn’t suitable in a way I can’t really put my finger on. Then again so many times I very much like narrators, I see other people insisting were no good so the problem is probably mine!
Probably the best book I have listened to about psychedelics, though there's not much competition. It got me geared up for my first Aya experience in a few years. Maybe this week, or maybe next month...
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: wolf8312]
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Heroic doses can be heaven and hell.
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The exact same thing can be said for life in general. There's a thin line between tripping and "reality", at both ends of those extremes IMHO (cosmic giggle).
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Loaded Shaman]
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This is a very good thread to read through.
Aldeberan, your written account of tripping is more or less identical to what I've experienced a few times, the few times in which I've really gone for what I consider a heroic dose. I think psychedelics can get incredibly difficult to dissect given how they work on your brain, but that sort of writing and thinking is a perfect representation of how they're 'mind revealing' at the most basic level.
There certainly is a fine line between reality and tripping, because in my opinion you are still in the same place and still being operated on by the same forces whether or not you are tripping or conscious. The only difference is you begin to realize while tripping how little control your consciousness has over your emotions, your environment, your primal urges, etc. In other words, the illusion of control just kind of withers up whether you realize it or not. That's the exact feeling I get from those kind of half-true, half-insane writings you make while tripping, and that to me is the feeling that makes trips so fucking hilarious.
Here's what I wrote coming down off of two (seemingly massive) hits:
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I can't even explain what this fucking substance did to me.
It feels like out of all of the billions of toiling troubled people in this room, I just had to be the one who had to make this square of sunshine was spotless just for the sucker who came for me.
It felt like every instant, every moment of every instant, immediately on the pinprick of that moment's instant... over and over again
Pure psychedelic chaos, then me realizing again that somebody out there actually has to be one of these metaphors! Somebody's actually doing it all out there when somebody envisions life as a game there are still people playing it and that's the thing of it.
Acid just feels like the trick that it just payed you to shine your shoe and the secrets right there in the last one... or something
Now that's nonsensical, makes way less sense than what you wrote. But the feeling I got while typing that a year ago was as though I were typing in a circle, as though I was driven by a force other than myself to write it while simultaneously laughing or giggling at the ideas I was or wasn't coming up with. I don't really know what else to say, except that what you wrote reminded me of that mindset even though its been so long since I tripped. I really feel like psychedelics just amplify and put a spotlight on the mind's role in everything we do, and that it doesn't affect mood as much as amplify the subtle shifts in mood we don't notice in sober reality.
I think it brings us closer to the reality of it, that we're just stuff, and we realize as we lose our humanness and get more and more alien sounding that we're paradoxically getting closer to the truth. It's like slowly turning to an inanimate object, but knowing that we're somehow becoming wiser and happier from that transformation. It's almost like psychedelics are smug.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl] 1
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Psilotyl said: When I take mushrooms, I go straight for 5g cubensis. It takes me right into that awe inspiring psychedelic space I cherish. At doses like 1-5g-3.5g, I’m tripping but not necessarily having a great time...it’s as if my normal mind state gets in the way. I can get anxious in an annoying way. Things for me are MUCH more simple at a dose of five grams. Sure you are slammed, but after that initial period of laying down stupefied by it all, you just feel so alive and blissful. Or at least I do. I have had experiences of utter joy and connectedness with the universe, pure happiness like I haven’t felt since I was a young child at this dose. And this is of course given proper set and setting.
Does anyone else feel like heroic doses are inherently “easier” in this way like I do? I genuinely am surprised sometimes at how afraid people are to dose 5g. It’s an intense experience for sure, and the come up can be bizarre, but there is really nothing scary about it whatsoever as long as you are tripping in the proper setting with people you trust. Like I have stated, I feel like it is actually much easier because you are just catapulted into this beautiful hyperspace. Hanging around 3g gives me annoying closed eye visuals of faces and other nonsensical morphing phenomena, no euphoria or little, no insight or surges of love. Just not really much to write home about in general. At higher doses psilocybin takes the wheel completely and it’s a beautiful thing. If you haven’t done a “heroic” dose yet, plan it out and make it happen. You won’t regret it 
Anyone want to chime in with some thoughts? What is your typical dose? I’m over 6ft tall and weigh around 190-200. I’ve also got a fair amount of experience with mushrooms and LSD others may not have. So I understand if 5g isn’t for everyone. No judgments. Just looking to hear from others 

I think people sell themselves short with low doses.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Aldebaran]
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At these doses you can start to get some “funny ideas.”
It doesn't seem to get mentioned very often that at higher doses you are becoming somewhat detached from reality and the trip can take on delusional characteristics.
I quite enjoy this feeling (up to a point) as it makes me feel more immersed in the trip, it starts to erase the feeling that what is happening is 'just a trip' and contributes to a kind of 'suspension of disbelief' which makes things seem more magical / exciting / weird.
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I am dreaming of universes and time.
CEV: I see the same cuboid mazes of darkened geometry and hideous algebra. You don't have to understand the algebra, you just have to watch it over your head and hope that it stays there.
You can close your eyes. You can open them. And the rest is madness.
They wait. They wait. They wait. And then they come. They study. They watch. They record. And then they destroy. They undo. They expunge.
And we are back where we started, with more data, and less hope.
And you wondered what the end looked like. And now you know.
Are you paranoid? Delusional? Did you take these drugs? Congratulations. You won.
You will not know what they are. But you will know them. In your paranoid delusions. There are aliens.
You should be able to tell by the size of the writing that I am crazy. Am I serious? I don't know. That is what worries me. That we have been here before. And wrote this already.
You wait. You watch. And you write.
Are you one of us? Or one of them?
I like this strange mood where you are aware that you are becoming slightly unhinged, and yet part of you is serious.
I find the onset is generally more weird / paranoid / creepy, and after the peak is more euphoric / grandiose / manic, but I enjoy both parts of the trip.
I think you have to be comfortable with some level of insanity to enjoy tripping when it gets like this.

Nice trip write up all around You have a poetic style and should really continue to keep trip logs and just write in general man.
I’m of the opinion that high doses of psilocybin actually transport one (or can) into a type “parallel dimension” that is genuine and quite real. Some alternate reality, anyway, that is pre-existing and eternal and always at work. Admittedly, I tend to inherently find tripping more “spiritual“ than some, but I also don’t think my experiences and take on psilocybin is all together uncommon, either.
You make a good point and in my opinion correct one that there is definitely an element of delusion at play. You can’t believe it all. When I get what are essentially feelings of premonition, I don’t really think much of it anymore. Really blew mind my at first, though. Some have come true, but such is the case in any game of chance. They mean little. So I sort of just file ‘em away when I get them. Bottom line: Certain phenomena experienced are indeed simply a result of taking a high dose of a powerful psychedelic/entheogen. No doubt about that.
However, I am nonetheless of the opinion that one is at least getting to view and experience things through a window that is quantifiably alien; that one steps at least one proverbial foot into something genuinely “other.” & I’m not the type to really think of things in this way either, if you know what I mean.
In other words, if I was not a person who had experience with high dose trips, I would probably not give much credence to someone saying something like they were visiting other dimensions and the like. Despite this though, my bounty of experience and what little sense I can make of it empirically force me to this conclusion; there is little doubt in my mind that, while language falls flat in conveying the utter profoundness that it is to experience this phenomena, it’s nonetheless the closest I can accurately get in terms of a commentary or a description of what it feels like to me. That’s a whole other subject, though, and one worth exploring: the ineffability of it all. It’s probably a good reason to let trip reports flow and rightfully wax a bit poetic. Thanks again for that contribution, Aldebaran.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl] 1
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I am curious how many others feel the way I do. That is, that psilocybin allows one in part to access some other realm, and that in this place there is a sentient force that has a voice. Terrence McKenna always said the mushroom had voice...I’ve certainly found it to be the case for me. Its not a suble sensation either. I can converse with it feely, even at a low dose. This is a fundamental part of how I personally experience and understand the mushroom trip.
I do not experience this on mescaline or LSD. Also worth mentioning to the skeptics is that I am in fine mental health, never had any issues there. It truely is something I only come into contact with via psilocybin mushrooms.
Contact with this “entity” has happened even more profoundly the few times I have combined mushrooms with Syrian rue. The combination of the two is something synergistic I am sure many of you know about or have taken yourselves. For me, while the experience evoked is generally still in the “spirit” of psilocybin - certainly more mushroomesque than smoking DMT or taking ayahuasca - it is also an experience that is quite different. Psilohuasa, as some call it, puts me out even further and far deeper. It further enhances this whole business I describe of making contact with the alive “Other” - again, a quintessential part of what the mushroom is in my little world.
I’ve spoken with others who are experienced with psilocybin and psilohuasa, and I know I am not alone in feeling the presence of a sentient energy with a distinct voice. Some do not experience this phenomena at all. At the end of the day, I think our biological makeup, upbringing, and the state we are in sober and prior to ingesting these substances plays a huge role. In other words, it’s important to remember psychedelics, especially at higher doses, affect us all very differently.
This is why trip reports and anecdotes are fun. I enjoy reading them, and look forward to more...as well as just the overall opinions of others on all this strange business! Merry Christmas, & to all a dope trip 🎄
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
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I've had 3.5g blow my socks off before.. and 4.5g be like a 2g dose. Underdosing is definitely a shitty thing. I have yet to break the lines of 5g.. but I feel like 4/4.5g has been where I've been needing to learn a lot of my lessons.
A lot of people think you need more in order to get places. Some people can get places on 3/3.5g that that other people can only get to on 5g+. We're all different. Also, I do believe intentions and open-mindedness is what makes this all possible. When I take 4g or whatever it may be. I completely focus on the trip.
No distractions... put my headphones in and get lost in the music... then I become the music floating through spacetime...... all off 3/4g of B+ Cubes. Almost like a meditation in a sense.. with being okay with everything that is happening and dealing with the rough patches as they come.. because they can go away as fast as they came.
The mind is a powerful thing and the mushrooms know this. They will take you straight to hell if you let them. I do believe a strong and open mind creates different paths for the mushrooms to take you down than someone who has control issues/slightly more close minded.
But, I can understand how taking more would help you surrender more to the experience. Getting stuck in that weird void of tripping/sober is a pretty shitty one.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26400698 - 12/25/19 05:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilotyl said:
I am curious how many others feel the way I do. That is, that psilocybin allows one in part to access some other realm, and that in this place there is a sentient force that has a voice. Terrence McKenna always said the mushroom had voice...I’ve certainly found it to be the case for me. Its not a suble sensation either. I can converse with it feely, even at a low dose. This is a fundamental part of how I personally experience and understand the mushroom trip.
I don’t meet an entity, but I am aware of its presence, when I take higher doses of mushrooms. I have asked the mushrooms for help (as advised by Terence McKenna, and Rosalind Watts, amongst others...) and they have responded.
For me, at higher doses, the only times I get ‘really’ scared on psychedelics, is when I suddenly have the realisation......that the laws of physics no longer apply! It can be a quite shocking and terrifying revelation. Everything you have ugh you knew and understood is gone. Anything now applies. CHAOS. And then MAGIC. I agree with your hypothesis, that we somehow enter a parallel reality.
At lower doses, for me ‘maintenance’ doses, 3.8g dry cubensis; I get the magic, I get eternity, I get 3D music, OEVs and CEVs, deja vu, time dilation, and so on.......but I don’t get the feeling that the laws of physics no longer apply. If any of that makes sense. Basically, I’m with you Psilotyl.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
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The mushroom can be a trickster also. At the end of the day we are taking powerful hallucinogens and there is no way to prove our experience is real or not. With that said, psilocybin connects areas of the brain that normally isn’t not connected. I feel that this connectivity can help us see things that the sober brain can not comprehend and thus the brain filters it out. Communicating with these entities are a goal of mine. I have heard stories of people on very high doses speaking to the goddess on the hill or evil entities in hell. In closed eye hallucinations, I have seen the evil joker, or clown thing. I have also seen a female entity wink at me also. The clown or the female entity has not attempted to communicate with me, only dances around a little and smile. I usually have to consume 5+ grams to get to that place. I want to go higher. I have done 8+ grams and my goal is to try it again in the not so distant future.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: DJ Ed]
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Psilotyl said: And size and weight have to play a role. I’ve heard that said before too...nonsense; this assertion doesn’t make any sense when you consider it pharmacologically. It certainly is at least one factor at play, no doubt.
Haven’t been able to stop thinking about this dose vs. size thing, Psilotyl!
The maths suggests I get twice the dose that you do from the same weight of mushrooms. But the calculation only considers physical body size. Thinking about where the psychoactive substance goes to in the body, it all goes to the brain’s 5-HT2a receptors - isn’t the argument about dose related to us all having the same size brain? I mean, regardless of body weight, brain weight is more or less consistent,therefore physical size does not affect trip intensity.
Just a thought.......
Mush love, DJ Ed
It’s certainly an interesting subject. I really know of no proof one way or the other that a person’s physical size affects the experience intensity, but I strongly suspect it can at least to some degree, especially when we are talking about 80lbs of difference.
With that said I used to be about 235 (I got serious into bodybuilding for awhile so it was lean mass - no idea if that matters- I am now 190). My dosing now is no different from what it was then and that’s a 45 pound difference. So I really don’t know! I’ll do some research and see if I can come up with any data.
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I am curious how many others feel the way I do. That is, that psilocybin allows one in part to access some other realm, and that in this place there is a sentient force that has a voice. Terrence McKenna always said the mushroom had voice...I’ve certainly found it to be the case for me. Its not a suble sensation either. I can converse with it feely, even at a low dose. This is a fundamental part of how I personally experience and understand the mushroom trip.
I don’t meet an entity, but I am aware of its presence, when I take higher doses of mushrooms. I have asked the mushrooms for help (as advised by Terence McKenna, and Rosalind Watts, amongst others...) and they have responded.
For me, at higher doses, the only times I get ‘really’ scared on psychedelics, is when I suddenly have the realisation......that the laws of physics no longer apply! It can be a quite shocking and terrifying revelation. Everything you have ugh you knew and understood is gone. Anything now applies. CHAOS. And then MAGIC. I agree with your hypothesis, that we somehow enter a parallel reality.
At lower doses, for me ‘maintenance’ doses, 3.8g dry cubensis; I get the magic, I get eternity, I get 3D music, OEVs and CEVs, deja vu, time dilation, and so on.......but I don’t get the feeling that the laws of physics no longer apply. If any of that makes sense. Basically, I’m with you Psilotyl.
Mush love, DJ Ed
I know what you’re talking about and it can be intense. I just never have felt any fear about it. I have a weird fear drive in general though. I don’t scare easily. It would take a bear chasing me or something ridiculous to really wind me up. Its kind of bizarre honestly, certainly nothing to brag about. It does have a positive effect in that I’m good in a crisis, and naturally good at comforting people (but that may be because my father was a doctor and my mother was a nurse). I think it has to do with the fact that I have a high propensity toward having utterly horrific & terrifying nightmares, and have ever since I was very young. I might just be conditioned in waking life to naturally be a little more aloof in that regard, but I honestly have no idea.
This is all pretty personal and I don’t want to go on focusing on myself. At the heart of it, I think I am just wired toward being a psychonaut, like I am sure most of us here are! I’m a person that just likes and revels in the chaos and mind blowing sensations that go with it all. Maybe you can relate? I’m nearly always flooded with positive emotions in general when I trip mushrooms. God I love them lol.
I’m also really careful when, how, and with whom I trip. I always trip in my own space, and I never go out. I’ve learned my lesson with that. I think if you enter the experience already feeling safe, well rested, with trusted folks, and with what I call a “Commitment to Fun” it greatly helps keep the fear away. But part of the game is also that there are really no guarantees. Difficult trips will happen...hopefully nothing so much as to where the mushroom “drags you to hell” like someone mentioned. That sounds terrible.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
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Youve created a fascinating thread here, Psilotyl. 👍🏻
Thinking about my life in general, I have certainly noticed that back in reality, I can handle a crisis much better than before I tried psychedelics. Crises in reality do not seem, relatively speaking, a crisis when compared to a high dose mushroom trip!
Going back to your point about your 55lbs weight loss not impacting the trip intensity: I’d refer you back to my simple maths looking at the amount of psychoactive substance, I.e. approximately 30mg (milligram) psilocybin / psilocin. Regarding this amount, 55lbs must be negligible. And I would therefore guess that for LSD, which is active in the micro gram range, then physical size must be even more irrelevant.
I’ve read some fascinating trip reports this last week, especially Loaded Shaman’s solstice trip report where he broaches some fascinating subjects. I am trying to gear myself up mentally for my next trip such that my subconscious intention is to explore further some of these concepts. I think I will also put some effort into meeting “the mushroom spirit”. As. I mentioned, I am aware of a presence at higher doses, I have seen similar entities to others on here (elves, goblins, fairies, evil clowns.....) but I can’t recall having had direct communication with them. I am aware they’re there, and generally speaking I’m aware that they’re benign.
I fear I’m starting to waffle a bit and concentrate on myself too, so I’ll sign off.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: DJ Ed]
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DJ Ed said: Youve created a fascinating thread here, Psilotyl. 👍🏻
Thinking about my life in general, I have certainly noticed that back in reality, I can handle a crisis much better than before I tried psychedelics. Crises in reality do not seem, relatively speaking, a crisis when compared to a high dose mushroom trip!
Going back to your point about your 55lbs weight loss not impacting the trip intensity: I’d refer you back to my simple maths looking at the amount of psychoactive substance, I.e. approximately 30mg (milligram) psilocybin / psilocin. Regarding this amount, 55lbs must be negligible. And I would therefore guess that for LSD, which is active in the micro gram range, then physical size must be even more irrelevant.
I’ve read some fascinating trip reports this last week, especially Loaded Shaman’s solstice trip report where he broaches some fascinating subjects. I am trying to gear myself up mentally for my next trip such that my subconscious intention is to explore further some of these concepts. I think I will also put some effort into meeting “the mushroom spirit”. As. I mentioned, I am aware of a presence at higher doses, I have seen similar entities to others on here (elves, goblins, fairies, evil clowns.....) but I can’t recall having had direct communication with them. I am aware they’re there, and generally speaking I’m aware that they’re benign.
I fear I’m starting to waffle a bit and concentrate on myself too, so I’ll sign off.
Take care, DJ Ed
Thank you 🙏 I think I follow you on the math there. It makes sense to me that in general it would be of relatively small significance.
I wish you good times on your trip and luck in making contact. The communication is mostly a voice heard “in your head.” When you are tripping, say in your mind “hey I’m here, are you there?” Let me know what you hear back. You may be surprised. At first you may think it is your own inner voice that answers you. But in time you will notice it is something different indeed. It is fundamentally benevolent, yet also enjoys playing tricks on you and messing with you like another has mentioned. Nothing serious though. It’s gauging what you can handle. Basically can act like some sort of cosmic older brother or cousin might. If you ask it for wisdom, it’s eager to talk. It is also kind. This is my experience, anyway.
I am tripping this evening and may take some notes or write a trip report. I am in good spirits after Christmas. I learned a lot on my last trip, and hope to continue in a similar way this evening
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
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Are you taking 5g for tonight?
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
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Have a pleasant and festive trip, Psilotyl. May the mushroom Christmas fairies guide you 👊🏻
Cheers, sir 🍷 DJ Ed
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: DJ Ed]
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Cheers, sir 🍷 DJ Ed
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Schroomfairy]
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Schroomfairy said: Are you taking 5g for tonight?
Indeed. I'm thinking about doing something different and setting up a microphone so I can record my thoughts instead of writing them. Sometimes writing/typing gets cumbersome, so it might be cool
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
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Ah, like a fear and loathing movie lol. That would be a cool idea. I’ll probably do 2g tonight, I did a 5g last week and I want to limit that experience. Have fun and enjoy.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Schroomfairy]
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Schroomfairy said: Ah, like a fear and loathing movie lol. That would be a cool idea. I’ll probably do 2g tonight, I did a 5g last week and I want to limit that experience. Have fun and enjoy.
Yeah just kinda of have it set up in case whatever. Thanks man. Good luck to you as well. Tonight’s sacrament, feeling brave:

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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Schroomfairy]
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I used DMT for heroic doses and was amazed. I tried it with mushrooms but my brain might not be able to do it anymore. I don’t microdose, intentionally either, but I like these days doses where I can think. LSD’s psychedelic stage is short lasting, as psilocybin’s is, as I’ve heard Hamilton Morris comment on the Pharmacopoeia. I can’t care about what others think because that’s impossible, I did DMT, and it was stronger than aya, mushrooms, acid, peyote, and MDMA, which is dangerous in high doses. 5-MeO-DMT also is, as an overdose is possible. Of course, people want you to be able to describe or explain every intoxication, including things like heroin, meth, PCP, 3-MeO-PCP, or cocaine, or else there’s no point mentioning them in a conversation.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Blabble40]
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Being able to think is nice so no one can blame you for that!
Three tokes of DMT and I was somewhere beyond description, utterly ineffable and basically pointless to try to describe. It is something I haven't done a lot of yet, but am looking forward to exploring more in 2020.
I haven't done 5-MeO-DMT, but have seen others do it. Definitely need a trip sitter for that one. People don't go vegetative like DMT. In fact its not uncommon for the exact opposite to occur, i.e. for people to writhe on the ground and convulse, vomit, etc. Not everyone experiences this, but you at least need to be laying down and have someone to look after you though.
I saw a friend fall into his giant, 80" HDTV on 5-MeO. Fucking thing fell over and broke and to make matters worse spilled wine everywhere lol. As in, upon immediate onset after he hit the vape, he stood up and then just toppled into the thing.
In general he looked like he was having a horrible time, and I had no idea what the fuck was happening or what to do. Pretty soon he was on the ground and looked like he was seizing. I was generally concerned something was going terrible wrong and nearly called an ambulance. I'm glad I didn't...I didn't know at the time how common this kind of thing is when people take 5-MeO. When he came back to earth he was absolutely serene, didn't give a shit about the TV or epic bloody murder looking red wine stained all over his carpet. Literally did not care at all, thought it was funny. Dude changed his whole life after that. Went from being a kinda overweight homebody smoking too much weed to losing a bunch of weight, and I recently heard he took up a job offer to work in Asia. Maybe those things can't all be traced to 5-MeO, but they seem inextricably linked to me...either way, it's remarkable what psychedelics can bring out in us all.
5-MeO-DMT is on my list of substances to try but am honestly somewhat intimidated...not intimidated enough to not do it, though
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
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I always believed N,N-DMT was the standard. I always thought I heard or knew of some fact that psychedelic trips can be weird or have bizarre things occur. There’s a connection between mind and body, even salvia can make you pass out. With mushrooms, they can make it feel like you need to lay down. Sometimes you should already be down. They can also cause nausea or squirming, but it could depend on your own body.
You’re supposed to do it on an empty stomach so if you ate that could also have something to do with it.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Blabble40] 1
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I will say this: my most recent trip (12/21/19), I took 6g cube dry - and it still wasn't quite as intense as the previous trip on just shy of 3g pan cyans. Even on 6g of cubes tripping balls I was coherent enough to leave my house and safely get out into my backyard/wooded area to chill and focus with nature.
I agree that the higher doses seem to be "easier" in the sense that you're fully enthralled and fear doesn't really exist as a factor anymore. You're in the zone. You ARE .
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Psilotyl said: Does anyone else feel like heroic doses are inherently “easier” in this way like I do? I genuinely am surprised sometimes at how afraid people are to dose 5g. It’s an intense experience for sure, and the come up can be bizarre, but there is really nothing scary about it whatsoever as long as you are tripping in the proper setting with people you trust. Like I have stated, I feel like it is actually much easier because you are just catapulted into this beautiful hyperspace. Hanging around 3g gives me annoying closed eye visuals of faces and other nonsensical morphing phenomena, no euphoria or little, no insight or surges of love. Just not really much to write home about in general. At higher doses psilocybin takes the wheel completely and it’s a beautiful thing. If you haven’t done a “heroic” dose yet, plan it out and make it happen. You won’t regret it )
My standard dose is just enough to induce OEVs at the first peak yet stay clear of blackout. It's always from tea made with fresh ('cause that's the most potent and least vile) so it's hard to specify what dry weight it might be but the 40-50 g fresh weight is the sweet spot for normal cubes, 25-35 g for PE.
Yes it's easier, it gets even easier if you repeat day to day allowing for tolerance. There's some sort of mental clutter that goes away on the first deep experience and apparently a lot of people lust after that experience, so they wait a long time between trips so as to always have that sensation. But to me that's only the beginning of the experience, repeated visits after that go deeper and deeper without any of the fear attendant on rewiring base level sensations. Hyperspace is the goal, you know it when you see that. And then the adventure - always different in some way - begins, the trip proper. Low doses either by accident or on purpose don't bring that immersion so I only do them when testing potency of a new strain.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Psilotyl said: Does anyone else feel like heroic doses are inherently “easier” in this way like I do? I genuinely am surprised sometimes at how afraid people are to dose 5g. It’s an intense experience for sure, and the come up can be bizarre, but there is really nothing scary about it whatsoever as long as you are tripping in the proper setting with people you trust. Like I have stated, I feel like it is actually much easier because you are just catapulted into this beautiful hyperspace. Hanging around 3g gives me annoying closed eye visuals of faces and other nonsensical morphing phenomena, no euphoria or little, no insight or surges of love. Just not really much to write home about in general. At higher doses psilocybin takes the wheel completely and it’s a beautiful thing. If you haven’t done a “heroic” dose yet, plan it out and make it happen. You won’t regret it )
My standard dose is just enough to induce OEVs at the first peak yet stay clear of blackout. It's always from tea made with fresh ('cause that's the most potent and least vile) so it's hard to specify what dry weight it might be but the 40-50 g fresh weight is the sweet spot for normal cubes, 25-35 g for PE.
Yes it's easier, it gets even easier if you repeat day to day allowing for tolerance. There's some sort of mental clutter that goes away on the first deep experience and apparently a lot of people lust after that experience, so they wait a long time between trips so as to always have that sensation. But to me that's only the beginning of the experience, repeated visits after that go deeper and deeper without any of the fear attendant on rewiring base level sensations. Hyperspace is the goal, you know it when you see that. And then the adventure - always different in some way - begins, the trip proper. Low doses either by accident or on purpose don't bring that immersion so I only do them when testing potency of a new strain. [/
Your a true psychonaut.. amazing to hear your thoughts. I could interview you for hours. But what about daily life in this society? How do you behave and think?
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Schroomfairy said: But what about daily life in this society? How do you behave and think?
I behave and think apparently normally when I'm not tripping. But I don't go shopping or shit like that until hours after the peak and into the afterglow usually - it's a day job ya know. No real problem there, easier to handle than alcohol, actually.
Of course it's all for science, when it's not for fun. I'm researching the physical effects manifested around mushroom use in the immediate environment and the possibilities of large-scale quantum superposition/entanglement on information flow from the future to the past.
OK I can't believe I just wrote that last sentence but it's literally true - that IS what I've been working on for some time now, when conditions (like mushroom crops and weather and other work) allow. There's posts in my journal talking about this stuff if you're interested.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: PrimalSoup]
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What are your thoughts on being one of a few people doing this?
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What is it about the peak of people? How does that affect you?
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Of course it's all for science, when it's not for fun. I'm researching the physical effects manifested around mushroom use in the immediate environment and the possibilities of large-scale quantum superposition/entanglement on information flow from the future to the past.
OK I can't believe I just wrote that last sentence but it's literally true - that IS what I've been working on for some time now, when conditions (like mushroom crops and weather and other work) allow. There's posts in my journal talking about this stuff if you're interested.
This is fucking amazing and exactly what I hoped someone would be putting their efforts towards combined with psychedelics. You're doing excellent work; keep it up!
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I behave and think apparently normally when I'm not tripping. But I don't go shopping or shit like that until hours after the peak and into the afterglow usually - it's a day job ya know. No real problem there, easier to handle than alcohol, actually.
Of course it's all for science, when it's not for fun. I'm researching the physical effects manifested around mushroom use in the immediate environment and the possibilities of large-scale quantum superposition/entanglement on information flow from the future to the past.
OK I can't believe I just wrote that last sentence but it's literally true - that IS what I've been working on for some time now, when conditions (like mushroom crops and weather and other work) allow. There's posts in my journal talking about this stuff if you're interested.
PrimalSoup, you are an absolute LEGEND. I’ll work through your journal, pal, looks like loads of intriguing stuff to get through. I’m currently on a strict 3.7g/3.8g dried B+ fortnightly schedule (for a few years I’ve been following McKenna’s advice, i.e. to trip infrequently but with a high dose - hasn’t really helped my depression). Each trip has been getting stronger as I am learning to let go, and am therefore going further from the same dose. Takes me back to Leary’s Psychedlic Experience where he recommends 2 dose ranges to get to “ego death”; the first range is effectively double the dose for newbies, half the dose for experienced psychonauts. I’m tending to agree with this........
Last night I took 3.7g dried via a Lemon Tek tea. Throughout it felt like a heroic dose, and I was peaking right up to the five hour mark, at which point I became very lucid. I tried throughout to talk to the mushroom entity (thanks for the heads up, Psilotyl). Nothing actually talked to me, but towards the end I received a vision of a female. I also concentrated on asking the mushrooms to show me love, show me how I can receive love, and how I can give love. The trip was wild, I really don’t know what the mushrooms showed me, but my overriding conclusion was,wait for this: for me to be happy, I need to be more colourful! No idea what that means, wish I had someone to talk face to face with about this (thank god for the shroomery, at least I can vent some thoughts).
If I can make any sort of sense from last night’s trip, i’ll post a trip report. The other overriding feeling I got last night while trying to make sense of the trip was: regardless of what you learn etc. the psychedlic headspace is where I want to be. This reality of our waking life is not all there is; I love just feeling that headspace and existing in the trip.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Schroomfairy]
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Schroomfairy said: What are your thoughts on being one of a few people doing this?
I hope more people will. I'm working towards organizing this sort of activity over the internet on a larger scale because I hear from people that they'd be interested in doing this kind of research if they knew how to go about it. But that's a big job and it requires clear guidelines as to what it is one is looking for and I don't have that part very well defined - it's a work in progress and may stay there for some time to come.
However, there are sporadic but consistent reports of the sort of side effects that can open it up when understood better - for instance electronic devices with CMOS circuitry (very common now) tend to malfunction in proximity to people experiencing heavy trips, and I've had this happen. CMOS operates with field-effect transistors which appear to have a susceptibility not shared with older technology. I could suggest some theories about that but it wants testing.
If you search for threads related to "weird shit happens when tripping" or similar you'll find numerous examples of this kind of thing and others, often related to enhanced synchronicity - as well as a whole load of deniers, who either haven't or can't experience it themselves. That's part of the puzzle. But I'm just going on my own experiences.
That'll steer you in some interesting directions I hope. 
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What is it about the peak of people? How does that affect you?
Not at all since I trip alone almost exclusively. Deep into hyperspace and multiple realities I don't really want to meet people all that much, since to meet them even halfway I'd have to get straight and that'd suck.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Of course it's all for science, when it's not for fun. I'm researching the physical effects manifested around mushroom use in the immediate environment and the possibilities of large-scale quantum superposition/entanglement on information flow from the future to the past.
OK I can't believe I just wrote that last sentence but it's literally true - that IS what I've been working on for some time now, when conditions (like mushroom crops and weather and other work) allow. There's posts in my journal talking about this stuff if you're interested.
Lol. Hell yeah. I like to think I’m doing something similar. I need to start a journal. Gonna check yours fasho
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26404982 - 12/28/19 04:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Heroic doses are on both ends of the spectrum. They can be easy or difficult, usually with a sitter they're easier.
At some point it becomes an expectation that you close your eyes and view a movie like scenario. I already said my "heroic doses" were with DMT, they just were, so I get the message and am close to hanging up the phone. With mushrooms, they don't always work, since they're dose dependent. However, I started out with them and didn't like acid because it wasn't natural and more synthetic, even though it comes from a wheat mold fungi (pronounced fun-gee, not fun-guy, you fucking morons).
So the stereotypical mushroomhead is a Terence McKenna-ite? I try not to bite people's style, which is why I didn't write much about the Shulgins yet, since you can just watch Hamilton's Pharmacopeia, for one, and then read the books yourself.
If I wanted to impress you, and possibly meet up in person so we can chat about it, I would have written more beforehand so as to be more prepared - I guess.
Most of it is prejudice. People don't see or care about the inner world, and only reflect on what they can see, and this has been the biggest problem of all. As humans, we all agree that's the best standard of going about things, and is related to the nonsensical "giants vs fairy" thing, which was ruined since stupid people misunderstood the entire thing to start with.
This cult nonsense is the worst too. People are acting like mushrooms are mysterious. I though I could gain leverage by focusing on DMT, since it's stronger via its shorter duration, but no. Mushrooms are more popular, and why? For reasons unethical. I like the lore with DMT/psilocybin (since they're related) more, but LSD is fun to me, and takes me by surprise a lot. But people will now want to know what mushrooms are like, just because I mentioned acid and DMT.
The only way mushrooms are similar to DMT is at higher doses that Kilindi Iyi speaks of, and he only does those because of a tolerance.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Blabble40]
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I’m not sure I’m following you Blabble...what is the “giant vs. fairy thing”?
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
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Psilotyl said: I’m not sure I’m following you Blabble...what is the “giant vs. fairy thing”?
I don't know, because it could be different for everyone. Or is it the same?
With me, mushrooms as originally reported from shamans in Mexico allow one to see images of transcendental beauty. That's what DMT was. I checked the books and the only real correlations are "God", from the Bible (or yahweh; etc, whichever one you want to use) or "faerie". Fairies are invisible, and so are images from psychedelics to other people, and even the user, until they use it.
The entities I see aren't always fairies, sometimes they could be demons, but it's all the same collective. So that's what I meant by faerie, like how DMT lasts 5-10 minutes but it seems like you're gone longer, and in books when a character steps inside a fairy ring the same thing can happen, as described by the legend.
The giants are taken to be a metaphor for people, so you can see them. They're also a little dumber, so it just becomes about sex (so people can just have sex). Whereas when I talk about fairies, people think it means they have to kill me, or something, which doesn't make sense, but they're all just people who have never done DMT or mushrooms.
Whenever I do mushrooms, people just get mad, then I can't even do anything anyway.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
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I think I understand a little better now.
It sounds like DMT is your “bridge,” as well as an “ally” ... but perhaps the fairies (or giants or both) are your true ally or allies. Certainly mushrooms for you are not as useful. You are unique, as mushrooms are a pretty typical one, ‘specially round these parts!
Idk if you are familiar with this concept, that of the “ally”, but it is entrenched in shamanism. For the peoples of the Amazon, ayahuasca was both bridge and ally, but mainly a bridge or means toward finding their true ally. They will take ayahuasca to manifest/discover their primary ally or allies, which are powerful animals, or sometimes beings related to their notion of things celestial. Most shamans and some practicing people of this region have multiple allies.
Interestingly, it is also thought that you can never fully trust an ally, which may explain why you get the feeling the fairies are hostile toward you at times.
Here is a great series of books dealing with this subject and more by a guy named Dale Pendell. Maybe you know them. “Pharmakopeia” is the first in the series and goes into depth about what I am talking about re:allies. It’s some “out there” reading for sure. Many might dismiss these books as nonsense, but they really aren’t, at least not to me and probably not to most people who are deep into experimenting with psychedelics/entheogens/drugs. There is some pretty deep truth in them. I highly recommend this book series to anyone reading this thread.



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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: DJ Ed]
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Schroomfairy said: But what about daily life in this society? How do you behave and think?
I behave and think apparently normally when I'm not tripping. But I don't go shopping or shit like that until hours after the peak and into the afterglow usually - it's a day job ya know. No real problem there, easier to handle than alcohol, actually.
Of course it's all for science, when it's not for fun. I'm researching the physical effects manifested around mushroom use in the immediate environment and the possibilities of large-scale quantum superposition/entanglement on information flow from the future to the past.
OK I can't believe I just wrote that last sentence but it's literally true - that IS what I've been working on for some time now, when conditions (like mushroom crops and weather and other work) allow. There's posts in my journal talking about this stuff if you're interested.
PrimalSoup, you are an absolute LEGEND. I’ll work through your journal, pal, looks like loads of intriguing stuff to get through. I’m currently on a strict 3.7g/3.8g dried B+ fortnightly schedule (for a few years I’ve been following McKenna’s advice, i.e. to trip infrequently but with a high dose - hasn’t really helped my depression). Each trip has been getting stronger as I am learning to let go, and am therefore going further from the same dose. Takes me back to Leary’s Psychedlic Experience where he recommends 2 dose ranges to get to “ego death”; the first range is effectively double the dose for newbies, half the dose for experienced psychonauts. I’m tending to agree with this........
Last night I took 3.7g dried via a Lemon Tek tea. Throughout it felt like a heroic dose, and I was peaking right up to the five hour mark, at which point I became very lucid. I tried throughout to talk to the mushroom entity (thanks for the heads up, Psilotyl). Nothing actually talked to me, but towards the end I received a vision of a female. I also concentrated on asking the mushrooms to show me love, show me how I can receive love, and how I can give love. The trip was wild, I really don’t know what the mushrooms showed me, but my overriding conclusion was,wait for this: for me to be happy, I need to be more colourful! No idea what that means, wish I had someone to talk face to face with about this (thank god for the shroomery, at least I can vent some thoughts).
If I can make any sort of sense from last night’s trip, i’ll post a trip report. The other overriding feeling I got last night while trying to make sense of the trip was: regardless of what you learn etc. the psychedlic headspace is where I want to be. This reality of our waking life is not all there is; I love just feeling that headspace and existing in the trip.
Mush love people, DJ Ed.
Its pretty obvious to me that the future is creating the moment. When this happens the future gets bigger, allowing the present to continue towards it.
What is happening now is happening because most of it already happened.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
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On my end:
Personally, I find mushrooms to be extremely mysterious. Some of the phenomena I’ve encountered defy logic or anything I would have believed possible prior to using them.
Here’s an example, and many will scoff but I don’t care. Recently my dog has starting tripping when I trip. I mean that in a “contact high” way, obviously. It sounds utterly ridiculous, be she fucking does. It happened to me on my last trip in a bigger way than it ever has. It was completely and utterly bizarre and unbelievable but we were together receiving these sort of power surges of psilocybin energy together. I had to reassure her everything was okay and comfort her. She would be fine and very interested, looking around. Then one of these surges would happen to us and she would lay down on her side, her eyes huge, terrified.
She had a blast when I took her outside for a night walk. Chasing nothing. Funny stuff. But it really took a toll on her indoors. Indoors she was fearful of me and would stay away, since physical proximity had a direct affect on the synergy/synchronistic effect. She noticed this before I did.
I don’t expect anyone to believe me on this...I wouldn’t if someone told me. But I was there and know what happened. It baffles me to my core; That energy could be transferred and united between two beings in this way is beyond mysterious...it’s fucking insane.
Furthermore, I don’t pretend to understand psilocybin mushrooms at all, and I doubt I ever will. I guess that’s why I take them. Shit is nuts. And with regard to what Babble said about a cult...there’s no cult man. At least I don’t see it that way personally, just my two cents man. Many people, individually and independently, are experiencing phenomena that simply obliterate anything rational or explainable found in the normal plane of waking consciousness. It doesn’t happen to all of us, but it definitely happens to some of us.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Blabble40]
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Blabble40 said: At some point it becomes an expectation that you close your eyes and view a movie like scenario.
Hmm, not getting this part at all. 
And forget about using books as a source - at best they are just allegories intended to depict the ineffable.
Better to experience the ineffable directly for yourself.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Blabble40 said: At some point it becomes an expectation that you close your eyes and view a movie like scenario.
Hmm, not getting this part at all. 
And forget about using books as a source - at best they are just allegories intended to depict the ineffable.
Better to experience the ineffable directly for yourself. 
On point again good sir. Lol psychedelic wisdom and a top hat...there’s some synergy there. Top hats have some serious mushroom energy. Kinda like the circus or some shit. I can dig it. Ya feel me?
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26405383 - 12/28/19 09:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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A reader can only imagine. A person with experience..well..you can see the truth in their eye..
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#26405388 - 12/28/19 09:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I always saw hyperspace as a place to "go into"
It is the future of sober reality. I like to believe I made my stamp in there. When anyone enters hyperspace I am confident the entities will tell you "oh..bill? We love him over here. He's a student of ours" no matter where the person is blasting off from. That's real hyperspace is.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
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Psilotyl said: Top hats have some serious mushroom energy. Kinda like the circus or some shit. I can dig it. Ya feel me? 
Well not really. I'm not sure what Blabble40 is getting at is all and I've done plenty of research in various texts looking for descriptions of what we're talking about here. You can find it in the Gnostic Gospels in a few places where they're describing the "numinous" entity that fills you. And you can find it in the more esoteric Buddhist texts. But direct experience just takes the cake, and the fork, and the plate, over anything you'll ever read or listen to IME.
IME hyperspace is a place just like the lower dimensional landscape we inhabit by default. Transcending that landscape - however you choose to do it (plant or mushroom allies, meditation) - takes you directly to the presence of a whole lot of interesting stuff, more stuff than can be easily explored.
This is why I'm totally suspicious of any "get the message hang up the phone" sort of attitude. There's not a message you're being sent, there's an opening in hyperspace that only you can fill, and the intelligences there usually just want you to get on board and contribute. 
Enough ranting for one day.
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Bill_Oreilly said: A reader can only imagine. A person with experience..well..you can see the truth in their eye..
There is sometimes an energy that certain people carry. You see them at train stations, airports, and when I used to tour as a musician basically wherever....there’s a vibe you at least feel like you can sense. The fellow experienced. I’m sure sometimes its projected that and it’s incorrect, but not always. Could be backwash in time and the person will later become experienced. Who knows.
Like the man said enough ranting for one day. I’m going to put my top hat on and go stroll about town...um I mean birth a couple tubs
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26405407 - 12/28/19 09:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, the whole "once you get the message hang up the phone" doesn't work because it's not an answering machine.
Its a continued space. You have to be there to know of it.
This is why I have very low tolerance to psychedelics at parties...people considering MDMA a psychedelic..etc. I am zeroed in on the specifics. Mushrooms and DMT(oral or smoked) I have battled with how I treat LSD but I had one specific LSD trip where I can't in good conscience argue against it.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26405590 - 12/29/19 01:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’ve both experienced this, Psilotyl, and read other’s posts on here describing similar.
I always trip with my two labradors, and occasionally they can act a bit weird, almost scared. It’s been suggested that just as some (trained) dogs can sense illness in people, or people about to have a fit, or heart attack, that kind of thing; then similarly, when you are tripping, some dogs can sense the changes in your brain chemistry / energy.
Sounds plausible to me, but in all honesty, yes it can be a bit weird. Dogs are awesome to cuddle when tripping, but if they’re looking a bit timid around me, I’ll leave them alone and retire to my safe place.
Mush love,’DJ Ed.
p.s. you recent trip was >5g dried: I reckon there was lots of changing energy in you for your dog to recognise........
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: DJ Ed]
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DJ Ed said: I’ve both experienced this, Psilotyl, and read other’s posts on here describing similar.
I always trip with my two labradors, and occasionally they can act a bit weird, almost scared. It’s been suggested that just as some (trained) dogs can sense illness in people, or people about to have a fit, or heart attack, that kind of thing; then similarly, when you are tripping, some dogs can sense the changes in your brain chemistry / energy.
Sounds plausible to me, but in all honesty, yes it can be a bit weird. Dogs are awesome to cuddle when tripping, but if they’re looking a bit timid around me, I’ll leave them alone and retire to my safe place.
Mush love,’DJ Ed.
p.s. you recent trip was >5g dried: I reckon there was lots of changing energy in you for your dog to recognise........
Yes, the energy was powerful. That’s interesting DJ & I’m relieved to know I’m not the only one. I’ve been thinking about it ever since. She was tripping along with me, not just sensing stuff though...
The trip was highly spiritual and very personal. More auditory hallucinations that ever before as well. Other than that I will just say that I feel I have been called to go further, and will be beginning to experiment with attempting to reach higher levels in the coming weeks. My next trip will be 6-7g. Same batch of mushrooms.
I am aware these are serious levels, and plan to have a trip sitter, as well as anti-anxiety and anti-psychotics on hand just in case I run into something I can’t reckon with. Knowing there is a “failsafe” in having a trusted friend there should be a good confidence booster, and the medications are simply an extra precaution. I have lots more to say but will refrain for now.
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Yes, the energy was powerful. That’s interesting DJ & I’m relieved to know I’m not the only one. I’ve been thinking about it ever since. She was tripping along with me, not just sensing stuff though...
The trip was highly spiritual and very personal. More auditory hallucinations that ever before as well. Other than that I will just say that I feel I have been called to go further, and will be beginning to experiment with attempting to reach higher levels in the coming weeks. My next trip will be 6-7g. Same batch of mushrooms.
I am aware these are serious levels, and plan to have a trip sitter, as well as anti-anxiety and anti-psychotics on hand just in case I run into something I can’t reckon with. Knowing there is a “failsafe” in having a trusted friend there should be a good confidence booster, and the medications are simply an extra precaution. I have lots more to say but will refrain for now.
I’d love to read more, Psilotyl, don’t be shy ;-)
There have been a couple of standout occasions while tripping with my dogs. About 6 months ago I had a really intense come up. My wife was present in the same room, so I wasn’t completely losing it. But both my dogs must have sensed my distress and both came and sat beside me, without being called. Skye leaned up against me, and Max laid down next to me and put his paws across my thigh. We sat there in front of the fire for quite a while. The dogs presence was both comforting, and beautiful: dogs can be so loving.....
There was another occasion a few weeks back where I was having a really beautiful trip. I was filled with energy and was standing “dancing” for a couple of hours. Max laid at thenfront door waiting for my wife to come home all night whereas Skye just looked terrified. She was skulking around the living room almost avoiding me, nd when I would speak to her she seemed really scared. She was like that all night until my wife nd daughter returned........
I tripped this last Friday night. My daughter was out on a sleepover and my wife kept herself out of the way watching tv upstairs. Both dogs stayed upstairs with her all night. Don’t know what conclusions to draw from that: either the dogs love my wife more or her energy is nicer when dad is tripping.......
Mush Love DJ Ed
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: DJ Ed]
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That’s really interesting. For some reason I guess your wife’s feminine energy is comforting to them when Dad’s tripping. It’s crazy how they pick up on this stuff. I feel like even when I microdose my dog can tell now lol.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26409692 - 12/31/19 05:42 PM (4 years, 29 days ago) |
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On the whole microdosing thing...I don’t think it stands in contradiction to my advocacy of higher dosing since it’s not really tripping. I think it’s an advantageous thing to do and adds a certain something to your day.
But basically if I’m not taking .5g I’m taking 5g. I think the doses in between, like say 2-3.5g can be good for beginners. But after a certain point of experience, I think it’s better to really go for it with a stronger dose, like I’ve already said. Something sort of changed for me after maybe ten trips at 3g where it just wasn’t easygoing. I could feel my mind wrestle with the experience in some way.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
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Psilotyl said: That’s really interesting. For some reason I guess your wife’s feminine energy is comforting to them when Dad’s tripping. It’s crazy how they pick up on this stuff. I feel like even when I microdose my dog can tell now lol.
Don’t get me wrong on this buddy, since I have recently discovered that I prefer tripping completely alone. But I very much find my wife’s feminine presence very comforting to me when daddy’s tripping and I’m experiencing the psychedelic mushroom realms.
Mush love,,fella, it’s New Year here now in the uk, better get off to bed!!!!!!!
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: DJ Ed]
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Psilotyl said: That’s really interesting. For some reason I guess your wife’s feminine energy is comforting to them when Dad’s tripping. It’s crazy how they pick up on this stuff. I feel like even when I microdose my dog can tell now lol.
Don’t get me wrong on this buddy, since I have recently discovered that I prefer tripping completely alone. But I very much find my wife’s feminine presence very comforting to me when daddy’s tripping and I’m experiencing the psychedelic mushroom realms.
Mush love,,fella, it’s New Year here now in the uk, better get off to bed!!!!!!!
DJ Ed
Yeah tripping alone is cool for sure. Happy 2020! I’m back in the States You are now in the future! Lol. Take care.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
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Coming back to this thread after Christmas e.t.c
Happy New Year everyone!
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However, I am nonetheless of the opinion that one is at least getting to view and experience things through a window that is quantifiably alien; that one steps at least one proverbial foot into something genuinely “other.” & I’m not the type to really think of things in this way either, if you know what I mean.
I often feel as though I am looking into a realm which is both sentient and strange and very alien.
This is something I wrote in a trip journal:
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Concept: A psychedelic drug as a window into another universe. A window that becomes thinner and more clear as you reach your scientific goal of seeing through it. And you watch. For days. For weeks. For years. And as the window thins and then disappears completely, you see better and better. And even without the window you are safe, because they cannot see you. Until you move. Which you have to. To get out. And the rest is obvious. Sometimes you don't get out.
OK that paragraph starts to turn into some kind of sci-fi horror plot, but it does capture the feeling that you are looking at something within your CEV which is communicating with you through your own thoughts, an incursion from somewhere beyond...
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Aldebaran]
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What if instead of beyond.. we call it inner. Due to our brain’s accessibility to new pathways not previously used. Thoughts?
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Schroomfairy]
#26411552 - 01/01/20 09:05 PM (4 years, 27 days ago) |
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I can't stand low doses.
Either shit or get off the pot. If you want a mild buzz, drink a beer. I haven't taken a dose under 8 grams in nearly a year
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: individualist]
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I love higher doses with a passion. I find for me that teeters between 2-3.5g of my penis envy or albino penis envy. Those doses often take me to places beyond where 10g of regular cubes have taken me. Im sure it can even heavier, but at that point it's mainly manifests itself in my body high.
I also like to add some things to my mushroom trips respectfully from time to time, like ketamine and dmt, and recommend that for other responsible voyagers
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