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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl] 1
#26403465 - 12/27/19 06:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilotyl said: Does anyone else feel like heroic doses are inherently “easier” in this way like I do? I genuinely am surprised sometimes at how afraid people are to dose 5g. It’s an intense experience for sure, and the come up can be bizarre, but there is really nothing scary about it whatsoever as long as you are tripping in the proper setting with people you trust. Like I have stated, I feel like it is actually much easier because you are just catapulted into this beautiful hyperspace. Hanging around 3g gives me annoying closed eye visuals of faces and other nonsensical morphing phenomena, no euphoria or little, no insight or surges of love. Just not really much to write home about in general. At higher doses psilocybin takes the wheel completely and it’s a beautiful thing. If you haven’t done a “heroic” dose yet, plan it out and make it happen. You won’t regret it )
My standard dose is just enough to induce OEVs at the first peak yet stay clear of blackout. It's always from tea made with fresh ('cause that's the most potent and least vile) so it's hard to specify what dry weight it might be but the 40-50 g fresh weight is the sweet spot for normal cubes, 25-35 g for PE.
Yes it's easier, it gets even easier if you repeat day to day allowing for tolerance. There's some sort of mental clutter that goes away on the first deep experience and apparently a lot of people lust after that experience, so they wait a long time between trips so as to always have that sensation. But to me that's only the beginning of the experience, repeated visits after that go deeper and deeper without any of the fear attendant on rewiring base level sensations. Hyperspace is the goal, you know it when you see that. And then the adventure - always different in some way - begins, the trip proper. Low doses either by accident or on purpose don't bring that immersion so I only do them when testing potency of a new strain.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26403782 - 12/27/19 10:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilotyl said: Does anyone else feel like heroic doses are inherently “easier” in this way like I do? I genuinely am surprised sometimes at how afraid people are to dose 5g. It’s an intense experience for sure, and the come up can be bizarre, but there is really nothing scary about it whatsoever as long as you are tripping in the proper setting with people you trust. Like I have stated, I feel like it is actually much easier because you are just catapulted into this beautiful hyperspace. Hanging around 3g gives me annoying closed eye visuals of faces and other nonsensical morphing phenomena, no euphoria or little, no insight or surges of love. Just not really much to write home about in general. At higher doses psilocybin takes the wheel completely and it’s a beautiful thing. If you haven’t done a “heroic” dose yet, plan it out and make it happen. You won’t regret it )
My standard dose is just enough to induce OEVs at the first peak yet stay clear of blackout. It's always from tea made with fresh ('cause that's the most potent and least vile) so it's hard to specify what dry weight it might be but the 40-50 g fresh weight is the sweet spot for normal cubes, 25-35 g for PE.
Yes it's easier, it gets even easier if you repeat day to day allowing for tolerance. There's some sort of mental clutter that goes away on the first deep experience and apparently a lot of people lust after that experience, so they wait a long time between trips so as to always have that sensation. But to me that's only the beginning of the experience, repeated visits after that go deeper and deeper without any of the fear attendant on rewiring base level sensations. Hyperspace is the goal, you know it when you see that. And then the adventure - always different in some way - begins, the trip proper. Low doses either by accident or on purpose don't bring that immersion so I only do them when testing potency of a new strain. [/
Your a true psychonaut.. amazing to hear your thoughts. I could interview you for hours. But what about daily life in this society? How do you behave and think?
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Schroomfairy] 1
#26403804 - 12/27/19 10:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Schroomfairy said: But what about daily life in this society? How do you behave and think?
I behave and think apparently normally when I'm not tripping. But I don't go shopping or shit like that until hours after the peak and into the afterglow usually - it's a day job ya know. No real problem there, easier to handle than alcohol, actually.
Of course it's all for science, when it's not for fun. I'm researching the physical effects manifested around mushroom use in the immediate environment and the possibilities of large-scale quantum superposition/entanglement on information flow from the future to the past.
OK I can't believe I just wrote that last sentence but it's literally true - that IS what I've been working on for some time now, when conditions (like mushroom crops and weather and other work) allow. There's posts in my journal talking about this stuff if you're interested.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26403836 - 12/27/19 11:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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What are your thoughts on being one of a few people doing this?
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Schroomfairy]
#26403838 - 12/27/19 11:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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What is it about the peak of people? How does that affect you?
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26403932 - 12/28/19 01:32 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Of course it's all for science, when it's not for fun. I'm researching the physical effects manifested around mushroom use in the immediate environment and the possibilities of large-scale quantum superposition/entanglement on information flow from the future to the past.
OK I can't believe I just wrote that last sentence but it's literally true - that IS what I've been working on for some time now, when conditions (like mushroom crops and weather and other work) allow. There's posts in my journal talking about this stuff if you're interested.
This is fucking amazing and exactly what I hoped someone would be putting their efforts towards combined with psychedelics. You're doing excellent work; keep it up!
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26403985 - 12/28/19 02:27 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Schroomfairy said: But what about daily life in this society? How do you behave and think?
I behave and think apparently normally when I'm not tripping. But I don't go shopping or shit like that until hours after the peak and into the afterglow usually - it's a day job ya know. No real problem there, easier to handle than alcohol, actually.
Of course it's all for science, when it's not for fun. I'm researching the physical effects manifested around mushroom use in the immediate environment and the possibilities of large-scale quantum superposition/entanglement on information flow from the future to the past.
OK I can't believe I just wrote that last sentence but it's literally true - that IS what I've been working on for some time now, when conditions (like mushroom crops and weather and other work) allow. There's posts in my journal talking about this stuff if you're interested.
PrimalSoup, you are an absolute LEGEND. I’ll work through your journal, pal, looks like loads of intriguing stuff to get through. I’m currently on a strict 3.7g/3.8g dried B+ fortnightly schedule (for a few years I’ve been following McKenna’s advice, i.e. to trip infrequently but with a high dose - hasn’t really helped my depression). Each trip has been getting stronger as I am learning to let go, and am therefore going further from the same dose. Takes me back to Leary’s Psychedlic Experience where he recommends 2 dose ranges to get to “ego death”; the first range is effectively double the dose for newbies, half the dose for experienced psychonauts. I’m tending to agree with this........
Last night I took 3.7g dried via a Lemon Tek tea. Throughout it felt like a heroic dose, and I was peaking right up to the five hour mark, at which point I became very lucid. I tried throughout to talk to the mushroom entity (thanks for the heads up, Psilotyl). Nothing actually talked to me, but towards the end I received a vision of a female. I also concentrated on asking the mushrooms to show me love, show me how I can receive love, and how I can give love. The trip was wild, I really don’t know what the mushrooms showed me, but my overriding conclusion was,wait for this: for me to be happy, I need to be more colourful! No idea what that means, wish I had someone to talk face to face with about this (thank god for the shroomery, at least I can vent some thoughts).
If I can make any sort of sense from last night’s trip, i’ll post a trip report. The other overriding feeling I got last night while trying to make sense of the trip was: regardless of what you learn etc. the psychedlic headspace is where I want to be. This reality of our waking life is not all there is; I love just feeling that headspace and existing in the trip.
Mush love people, DJ Ed.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Schroomfairy]
#26404057 - 12/28/19 04:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Schroomfairy said: What are your thoughts on being one of a few people doing this?
I hope more people will. I'm working towards organizing this sort of activity over the internet on a larger scale because I hear from people that they'd be interested in doing this kind of research if they knew how to go about it. But that's a big job and it requires clear guidelines as to what it is one is looking for and I don't have that part very well defined - it's a work in progress and may stay there for some time to come.
However, there are sporadic but consistent reports of the sort of side effects that can open it up when understood better - for instance electronic devices with CMOS circuitry (very common now) tend to malfunction in proximity to people experiencing heavy trips, and I've had this happen. CMOS operates with field-effect transistors which appear to have a susceptibility not shared with older technology. I could suggest some theories about that but it wants testing.
If you search for threads related to "weird shit happens when tripping" or similar you'll find numerous examples of this kind of thing and others, often related to enhanced synchronicity - as well as a whole load of deniers, who either haven't or can't experience it themselves. That's part of the puzzle. But I'm just going on my own experiences.
That'll steer you in some interesting directions I hope. 
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What is it about the peak of people? How does that affect you?
Not at all since I trip alone almost exclusively. Deep into hyperspace and multiple realities I don't really want to meet people all that much, since to meet them even halfway I'd have to get straight and that'd suck.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26404793 - 12/28/19 02:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Of course it's all for science, when it's not for fun. I'm researching the physical effects manifested around mushroom use in the immediate environment and the possibilities of large-scale quantum superposition/entanglement on information flow from the future to the past.
OK I can't believe I just wrote that last sentence but it's literally true - that IS what I've been working on for some time now, when conditions (like mushroom crops and weather and other work) allow. There's posts in my journal talking about this stuff if you're interested.
Lol. Hell yeah. I like to think I’m doing something similar. I need to start a journal. Gonna check yours fasho
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26404982 - 12/28/19 04:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Heroic doses are on both ends of the spectrum. They can be easy or difficult, usually with a sitter they're easier.
At some point it becomes an expectation that you close your eyes and view a movie like scenario. I already said my "heroic doses" were with DMT, they just were, so I get the message and am close to hanging up the phone. With mushrooms, they don't always work, since they're dose dependent. However, I started out with them and didn't like acid because it wasn't natural and more synthetic, even though it comes from a wheat mold fungi (pronounced fun-gee, not fun-guy, you fucking morons).
So the stereotypical mushroomhead is a Terence McKenna-ite? I try not to bite people's style, which is why I didn't write much about the Shulgins yet, since you can just watch Hamilton's Pharmacopeia, for one, and then read the books yourself.
If I wanted to impress you, and possibly meet up in person so we can chat about it, I would have written more beforehand so as to be more prepared - I guess.
Most of it is prejudice. People don't see or care about the inner world, and only reflect on what they can see, and this has been the biggest problem of all. As humans, we all agree that's the best standard of going about things, and is related to the nonsensical "giants vs fairy" thing, which was ruined since stupid people misunderstood the entire thing to start with.
This cult nonsense is the worst too. People are acting like mushrooms are mysterious. I though I could gain leverage by focusing on DMT, since it's stronger via its shorter duration, but no. Mushrooms are more popular, and why? For reasons unethical. I like the lore with DMT/psilocybin (since they're related) more, but LSD is fun to me, and takes me by surprise a lot. But people will now want to know what mushrooms are like, just because I mentioned acid and DMT.
The only way mushrooms are similar to DMT is at higher doses that Kilindi Iyi speaks of, and he only does those because of a tolerance.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Blabble40]
#26405001 - 12/28/19 04:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’m not sure I’m following you Blabble...what is the “giant vs. fairy thing”?
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
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Psilotyl said: I’m not sure I’m following you Blabble...what is the “giant vs. fairy thing”?
I don't know, because it could be different for everyone. Or is it the same?
With me, mushrooms as originally reported from shamans in Mexico allow one to see images of transcendental beauty. That's what DMT was. I checked the books and the only real correlations are "God", from the Bible (or yahweh; etc, whichever one you want to use) or "faerie". Fairies are invisible, and so are images from psychedelics to other people, and even the user, until they use it.
The entities I see aren't always fairies, sometimes they could be demons, but it's all the same collective. So that's what I meant by faerie, like how DMT lasts 5-10 minutes but it seems like you're gone longer, and in books when a character steps inside a fairy ring the same thing can happen, as described by the legend.
The giants are taken to be a metaphor for people, so you can see them. They're also a little dumber, so it just becomes about sex (so people can just have sex). Whereas when I talk about fairies, people think it means they have to kill me, or something, which doesn't make sense, but they're all just people who have never done DMT or mushrooms.
Whenever I do mushrooms, people just get mad, then I can't even do anything anyway.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26405088 - 12/28/19 05:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think I understand a little better now.
It sounds like DMT is your “bridge,” as well as an “ally” ... but perhaps the fairies (or giants or both) are your true ally or allies. Certainly mushrooms for you are not as useful. You are unique, as mushrooms are a pretty typical one, ‘specially round these parts!
Idk if you are familiar with this concept, that of the “ally”, but it is entrenched in shamanism. For the peoples of the Amazon, ayahuasca was both bridge and ally, but mainly a bridge or means toward finding their true ally. They will take ayahuasca to manifest/discover their primary ally or allies, which are powerful animals, or sometimes beings related to their notion of things celestial. Most shamans and some practicing people of this region have multiple allies.
Interestingly, it is also thought that you can never fully trust an ally, which may explain why you get the feeling the fairies are hostile toward you at times.
Here is a great series of books dealing with this subject and more by a guy named Dale Pendell. Maybe you know them. “Pharmakopeia” is the first in the series and goes into depth about what I am talking about re:allies. It’s some “out there” reading for sure. Many might dismiss these books as nonsense, but they really aren’t, at least not to me and probably not to most people who are deep into experimenting with psychedelics/entheogens/drugs. There is some pretty deep truth in them. I highly recommend this book series to anyone reading this thread.



Cheers & good luck on your journey.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26405098 - 12/28/19 05:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Idk why it keeps saying this image was “deleted” by poster no matter if I edit and repaste it in again or not...
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: DJ Ed]
#26405125 - 12/28/19 05:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Schroomfairy said: But what about daily life in this society? How do you behave and think?
I behave and think apparently normally when I'm not tripping. But I don't go shopping or shit like that until hours after the peak and into the afterglow usually - it's a day job ya know. No real problem there, easier to handle than alcohol, actually.
Of course it's all for science, when it's not for fun. I'm researching the physical effects manifested around mushroom use in the immediate environment and the possibilities of large-scale quantum superposition/entanglement on information flow from the future to the past.
OK I can't believe I just wrote that last sentence but it's literally true - that IS what I've been working on for some time now, when conditions (like mushroom crops and weather and other work) allow. There's posts in my journal talking about this stuff if you're interested.
PrimalSoup, you are an absolute LEGEND. I’ll work through your journal, pal, looks like loads of intriguing stuff to get through. I’m currently on a strict 3.7g/3.8g dried B+ fortnightly schedule (for a few years I’ve been following McKenna’s advice, i.e. to trip infrequently but with a high dose - hasn’t really helped my depression). Each trip has been getting stronger as I am learning to let go, and am therefore going further from the same dose. Takes me back to Leary’s Psychedlic Experience where he recommends 2 dose ranges to get to “ego death”; the first range is effectively double the dose for newbies, half the dose for experienced psychonauts. I’m tending to agree with this........
Last night I took 3.7g dried via a Lemon Tek tea. Throughout it felt like a heroic dose, and I was peaking right up to the five hour mark, at which point I became very lucid. I tried throughout to talk to the mushroom entity (thanks for the heads up, Psilotyl). Nothing actually talked to me, but towards the end I received a vision of a female. I also concentrated on asking the mushrooms to show me love, show me how I can receive love, and how I can give love. The trip was wild, I really don’t know what the mushrooms showed me, but my overriding conclusion was,wait for this: for me to be happy, I need to be more colourful! No idea what that means, wish I had someone to talk face to face with about this (thank god for the shroomery, at least I can vent some thoughts).
If I can make any sort of sense from last night’s trip, i’ll post a trip report. The other overriding feeling I got last night while trying to make sense of the trip was: regardless of what you learn etc. the psychedlic headspace is where I want to be. This reality of our waking life is not all there is; I love just feeling that headspace and existing in the trip.
Mush love people, DJ Ed.
Its pretty obvious to me that the future is creating the moment. When this happens the future gets bigger, allowing the present to continue towards it.
What is happening now is happening because most of it already happened.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26405127 - 12/28/19 05:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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On my end:
Personally, I find mushrooms to be extremely mysterious. Some of the phenomena I’ve encountered defy logic or anything I would have believed possible prior to using them.
Here’s an example, and many will scoff but I don’t care. Recently my dog has starting tripping when I trip. I mean that in a “contact high” way, obviously. It sounds utterly ridiculous, be she fucking does. It happened to me on my last trip in a bigger way than it ever has. It was completely and utterly bizarre and unbelievable but we were together receiving these sort of power surges of psilocybin energy together. I had to reassure her everything was okay and comfort her. She would be fine and very interested, looking around. Then one of these surges would happen to us and she would lay down on her side, her eyes huge, terrified.
She had a blast when I took her outside for a night walk. Chasing nothing. Funny stuff. But it really took a toll on her indoors. Indoors she was fearful of me and would stay away, since physical proximity had a direct affect on the synergy/synchronistic effect. She noticed this before I did.
I don’t expect anyone to believe me on this...I wouldn’t if someone told me. But I was there and know what happened. It baffles me to my core; That energy could be transferred and united between two beings in this way is beyond mysterious...it’s fucking insane.
Furthermore, I don’t pretend to understand psilocybin mushrooms at all, and I doubt I ever will. I guess that’s why I take them. Shit is nuts. And with regard to what Babble said about a cult...there’s no cult man. At least I don’t see it that way personally, just my two cents man. Many people, individually and independently, are experiencing phenomena that simply obliterate anything rational or explainable found in the normal plane of waking consciousness. It doesn’t happen to all of us, but it definitely happens to some of us.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Blabble40]
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Blabble40 said: At some point it becomes an expectation that you close your eyes and view a movie like scenario.
Hmm, not getting this part at all. 
And forget about using books as a source - at best they are just allegories intended to depict the ineffable.
Better to experience the ineffable directly for yourself.
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Hmm, not getting this part at all. 
And forget about using books as a source - at best they are just allegories intended to depict the ineffable.
Better to experience the ineffable directly for yourself. 
On point again good sir. Lol psychedelic wisdom and a top hat...there’s some synergy there. Top hats have some serious mushroom energy. Kinda like the circus or some shit. I can dig it. Ya feel me?
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
#26405383 - 12/28/19 09:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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A reader can only imagine. A person with experience..well..you can see the truth in their eye..
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#26405388 - 12/28/19 09:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I always saw hyperspace as a place to "go into"
It is the future of sober reality. I like to believe I made my stamp in there. When anyone enters hyperspace I am confident the entities will tell you "oh..bill? We love him over here. He's a student of ours" no matter where the person is blasting off from. That's real hyperspace is.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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