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the sheer bliss of the heroic dose * 3
    #26397076 - 12/23/19 09:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

When I take mushrooms, I go straight for 5g cubensis. It takes me right into that awe inspiring psychedelic space I cherish. At doses like 1-5g-3.5g, I’m tripping but not necessarily having a great time...it’s as if my normal mind state gets in the way. I can get anxious in an annoying way. Things for me are MUCH more simple at a dose of five grams. Sure you are slammed, but after that initial period of laying down stupefied by it all, you just feel so alive and blissful. Or at least I do. I have had experiences of utter joy and connectedness with the universe, pure happiness like I haven’t felt since I was a young child at this dose. And this is of course given proper set and setting.

Does anyone else feel like heroic doses are inherently “easier” in this way like I do? I genuinely am surprised sometimes at how afraid people are to dose 5g. It’s an intense experience for sure, and the come up can be bizarre, but there is really nothing scary about it whatsoever as long as you are tripping in the proper setting with people you trust. Like I have stated, I feel like it is actually much easier because you are just catapulted into this beautiful hyperspace. Hanging around 3g gives me annoying closed eye visuals of faces and other nonsensical morphing phenomena, no euphoria or little, no insight or surges of love. Just not really much to write home about in general. At higher doses psilocybin takes the wheel completely and it’s a beautiful thing. If you haven’t done a “heroic” dose yet, plan it out and make it happen. You won’t regret it :smile:

Anyone want to chime in with some thoughts? What is your typical dose? I’m over 6ft tall and weigh around 190-200. I’ve also got a fair amount of experience with mushrooms and LSD others may not have. So I understand if 5g isn’t for everyone. No judgments. Just looking to hear from others :smile:


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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
    #26397150 - 12/23/19 10:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I’m 5’7” and about 125lbs. I get the blissful ness and the euphoria, as well as time dilation, feelings of eternity, oneness, connectedness, gratitude. Amazing CEVs and OEVs. Totally immersive 3D music. .....From 3.8g Psilocybe Cubensis B+. 5g absolutely floors me. And generally at the peak, the intensity further ramps up, not in a blissful way either - generally involves reality tearing in front of my eyes. The faces etc in the OEVs multiply by a factor of millions, and all the air is sucked out of my lungs. I have at this point used all my will to resist and somehow get through it. I am finding it so much easier to let go on 3.8g than 5g, and still get the effects I seek. In fact I would say that because I am letting go more easily, the trips are getting stronger anyway from the same “low”dose of 3.8g. I was under the understanding though that size and weight have no influence on how a dose will affect you; I would be happy to be corrected on this though.

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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26397178 - 12/23/19 10:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I’m 5’7” and about 125lbs. I get the blissful ness and the euphoria, as well as time dilation, feelings of eternity, oneness, connectedness, gratitude. Amazing CEVs and OEVs. Totally immersive 3D music. .....From 3.8g Psilocybe Cubensis B+. 5g absolutely floors me. And generally at the peak, the intensity further ramps up, not in a blissful way either - generally involves reality tearing in front of my eyes. The faces etc in the OEVs multiply by a factor of millions, and all the air is sucked out of my lungs. I have at this point used all my will to resist and somehow get through it. I am finding it so much easier to let go on 3.8g than 5g, and still get the effects I seek. In fact I would say that because I am letting go more easily, the trips are getting stronger anyway from the same “low”dose of 3.8g. I was under the understanding though that size and weight have no influence on how a dose will affect you; I would be happy to be corrected on this though.

Take care, and mush love,
DJ Ed




It sounds like you’ve found the perfect dose for you. No need to overdue it where it’s unpleasant. I’m larger generally and have a muscular frame left over from getting into bodybuilding years ago. Your dose fits your size but most importantly fits you “psychically”, which where is what counts the most! Be well and mvshluv to you as well :smile:


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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
    #26397185 - 12/23/19 10:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

And size and weight have to play a role. I’ve heard that said before too...nonsense; this assertion doesn’t make any sense when you consider it pharmacologically. It certainly is at least one factor at play, no doubt.


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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
    #26397240 - 12/23/19 11:21 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The only trouble I have with this, is the use of '5 gram' terminology which I think originated with Mckenna...

'5 gram/heroic dose'doesn't really mean anything.

Everyone wants to take 5 grams, so they can say they have taken 5 grams, but we're talking about plant materials, and mushrooms in my experience are far more variable potency wise, than plants such as mimosa hostilis.
   
5g of average potency shrooms is a good dose but nothing too crazy (most shrooms I ever grew multi spore were pretty average). But now and then, some cubes will come along that could make '5 grams' mean something more like ten grams etc....

People should not be recommended to roll the dice like that unless they know beforehand the potency of their mushrooms. 

While there is some truth to the idea that a 'heroic' dose is more likely to bring a great experience, its also a rather dangerous internet fallacy in my opinion, because make no mistake, the dangers of psychedelics increase with the dosage. Few people ever went to hospital on 2 grams! 

And a person won't automatically be able to surrender every time, simply because the dose is a large one, nor will he necessarily have a bad experience if the dose is too low.

It's becoming internet lore now, that low doses cause things like anxiety, and high doses enable one to surrender better, but we have to remember how much of a role placebo/expectations play with these things.

I would always recommend a small dose first, to gauge what kind of shrooms you are dealing with, before deciding to munch 5 grams of them!

But you know what people just forget the '5 grams' thing already, and what other people say, and take whatever you feel is right for you...


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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
    #26397300 - 12/23/19 12:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Did you work your way up to that dosage in the past or did you just dive in your early experiences?
Do you still get anxiety pre-dosing such a dose?

I'm looking to jump in at that depth but my ego is still fearful of a larger dose than 3.5g


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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: wolf8312] * 2
    #26397313 - 12/23/19 12:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm of the opinion that while lower to moderate dosages can be cool/useful, it is generally recommended to approach these tools from a high dosage and learn how to use these tools properly, which means learning to surrender/let go, let the tool take the wheel, stop focusing on externalities, go within, immerse yourself fully into the experience, because while the risks may be a bit higher than lower to moderate dosages, higher dosages are way more beneficial and imo are how they're supposed to be used, even though you can use these things for different purposes and in different ways, most people fail to truly understand the Entheogenic experience because they don't take enough or they use/approach them improperly. These tools are initiatory, teaching, and disciplining tools, while one can have a good time on/with them, most people tend to miss out on the much needed wisdom and insights/revelations and understandings these tools can provide.

But, in general, i tend to agree that with mushrooms at least, most people diddle the dose as Terence said, they take low dosages and are straight up afraid to go "through the shit", for whatever reason. Sure, these tools can be intimidating and i understand that, but people need to go for a proper experience imo. If one is new, sure, start low and work your way up, but work your way up to higher dosages/fuller territory, don't stick to low dosages. Now, i also realize mushroom potency varies, and some people are more sensitive or less sensitive to Psilocin (maybe to do with people's MAO-A enzyme status, as 3.5 grams of mushrooms or 35mgs of 4-ACO-DMT with a full dose of Harmalas can be a full on dosage, whereas without Harmalas it's generally a more moderate dosage), so some people may need more or less mushrooms for the same effects, but idk man people just aren't really talking about the things these tools are truly capable of, everyone seems to focus on visuals and recreational usage and laughing/giggling/having a fun time while trying to avoid the difficult/challenging moments, but there's way more to these tools than the majority of users seem to experience.


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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Sabnock]
    #26397469 - 12/23/19 01:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I would use 3 grams of a highly potent batch. I threw away sack fulls of average potency shrooms because they were low in psilocin and lacked the special purity and magic that was contained within the others.
5 grams of the shrooms I binned could never have matched 3 grams of those that I kept, cherished and feared.

I have never been one to simply stick my toe in the water and always go for the full on experience. There is no point doing it otherwise imo. This is the problem though you see. You are assuming  that the experiences I had were not  high doses, based on a number, or dosage, or perhaps because I am advising caution.

But they were high dose experiences,  not because of a number,  but  because the shrooms contained high amounts of psilocin/psilocybin combined with a whole host of other variables from my body weight to personal sensitivity.

I wasn’t warning against a good strong dose but irresponsible use.


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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26397757 - 12/23/19 03:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I understand what you mean, and understand potency can vary greatly. Unfortunately, we can only speak in quantified absolutes when talking about dose, so I said 5 grams. My last grow resulted in some very potent PES Hawaiians. The one before were Mazatapec and not as strong. I’m not tied to a specific dose number in grams. I’m interested in the experience. Think of it in terms of Shulgin’s “+” scale of that helps you. I’m after the mushroom “++++”. That’s what I am speaking of. And I think psilocybin mushrooms have a very unique “++++” that can be attained at dosing “heroically” that is I am quite sure very different to each unique soul experiencing it.

Also...anyone who just wants to take 5 grams to say they did it doesn’t sound like a very properly oriented psychonaut lol...I hope they do take a high dose...maybe they will be humbled and learn something about what this is really all about - and lose the high school mentality.

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Did you work your way up to that dosage in the past or did you just dive in your early experiences?
Do you still get anxiety pre-dosing such a dose?

I'm looking to jump in at that depth but my ego is still fearful of a larger dose than 3.5g




You can do it, don’t be afraid. There is nothing to be afraid of. I first started with doses around 3.5 max, out of fear as you say.  One day an inner voice told me it was time to go further and I did. When it calls you, go for it. It can’t hurt you. It can and likely will astonish you though. It’s important to look at it all as an enterprise of fun and be open to having fun. I believe the mushroom responses to that..

Here’s a generalized trip report for anyone who cares. So I don’t get any more anxious on the come up, but when the mushrooms are especially potent, I can be in a sort of quasi stupor in the couch for 20 minutes or so. I stay lying down in near darkness during the come up. There may rarely be some nausea but I am not prone to that - it will pass quick if I get it.

On the come up I will get auditory hallucinations like sort of buzzing near and inside my head, and usually also this repetitive digital type tonal repetition that seems to be emanating from the rear of my head. None is this is scary...not if you are just going with it, and remember nothing actually bad can happen (you didn’t take 12 grams or something nuts - you are fine!). I honestly thought nothing other than “huh...okay” the first time I heard that stuff...

You see, I think psilocybin compensates for you somehow at the higher doses and makes you more brave & more open, because it has stuff it’s eager to show you. It’s a little bit of a subtle form of the DMT state - you can sense the mushroom has a voice, is somehow an entity in some way and is really excited to show you stuff and just hang out lol.

Anyway...typically what happens is that my body and senses begin to acclimate and I then find myself in absolute awe and astonishment of everything. I notice colors before patterns and seem to see endless nuanced shades of every color there is or ever could be. Closed eye visuals are of a rapidly changing and endlessly complex geometrical nature. I have an energy that then swarms through me born out of the utter uniqueness of the world I am in and anchored in the radiating beauty of all things seen and unseen.

At these doses you can start to get some “funny ideas.” I have had my basic notions of things like time and space utterly obliterated in the coolest ways. Premonitions, remembering things long forgotten. I have conversed with what is believe to be God or an intermediary to God - this actually happens to me at basically any substantial dose of mushrooms though. It’s my personal take on the voice of the “Other” that many experience. I have felt myself leave my body or in other ways become outside of myself and one with objects I can choose to assign significance, like say this miniature sculpture of the Egyptian sphinx I have in my office.

These are all delightful, incredible sensations that I’ve never felt uncomfortable at all with. Just tripping BALLS. This might all sound like a lot, but you will feel your ego fade and heart fill with love and warmth as long as set and setting are correct and you are well rested and not currently in any emotional distress, etc. I do at least. Mushrooms have changed me from a stressed out angry father into one with a lot more patience and love and appreciation for being alive in general.  I think psilocybin wants that for the most part to be your experience at a high doses, and at medium doses it seems to try to act as more of a direct and stern teacher...though it'll still teach you plenty way up there too. But I’m going on. This is just my 2cents anyway. Hope you enjoyed reading.


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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
    #26397762 - 12/23/19 03:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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And size and weight have to play a role. I’ve heard that said before too...nonsense; this assertion doesn’t make any sense when you consider it pharmacologically. It certainly is at least one factor at play, no doubt.




I’m quite a logical person, and logically, this dosage thing makes no logical sense to me at all. Surely it must do; you’re almost twice the man I am! But then if you think of it mathematically....5g dried is approx 30mg psychoactive substance from mushrooms. Your weight approx 90kg mine 55kg. 30mg into 90kg = 33x10-6; 30mg into 55kg = 54x10-6. I don’t know, does that mean i’m getting almost twice the dose you are getting from the same 5g dried then?

Might be something in it.....

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Replying to your first reply,  I agree with you 100% sir. I think I’ve found my sweet spot (with this particular batch of B+ :-). ). But I still intend to do a5g+ dose once, maybe twice a year. I do believe  with higher doses, you journey further and learn more; it just takes that much more energy out of you. I am working with fortnightly 3.8g doses to keep my depression away. The higher doses are just to satisfy my love of psychedelics.

Mush love, Psilocybe,
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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
    #26398272 - 12/23/19 08:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Personally, I like to get to a point where I feel like I am "properly tripping", but I can only really gauge this from the effects, as the sclerotia I eat can be extremely variable in potency.

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At these doses you can start to get some “funny ideas.”




It doesn't seem to get mentioned very often that at higher doses you are becoming somewhat detached from reality and the trip can take on delusional characteristics.

I quite enjoy this feeling (up to a point) as it makes me feel more immersed in the trip, it starts to erase the feeling that what is happening is 'just a trip' and contributes to a kind of 'suspension of disbelief' which makes things seem more magical / exciting / weird.

Something written during a trip earlier this year:

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I am dreaming of universes and time.

CEV: I see the same cuboid mazes of darkened geometry and hideous algebra. You don't have to understand the algebra, you just have to watch it over your head and hope that it stays there.

You can close your eyes. You can open them. And the rest is madness.

They wait. They wait. They wait. And then they come.
They study. They watch. They record. And then they destroy. They undo. They expunge.

And we are back where we started, with more data, and less hope.

And you wondered what the end looked like. And now you know.

Are you paranoid? Delusional? Did you take these drugs?
Congratulations. You won.

You will not know what they are. But you will know them. In your paranoid delusions. There are aliens.

You should be able to tell by the size of the writing that I am crazy. Am I serious? I don't know. That is what worries me. That we have been here before. And wrote this already.

You wait. You watch. And you write.

Are you one of us? Or one of them?





I like this strange mood where you are aware that you are becoming slightly unhinged, and yet part of you is serious.

I find the onset is generally more weird / paranoid / creepy, and after the peak is more euphoric / grandiose / manic, but I enjoy both parts of the trip.

I think you have to be comfortable with some level of insanity to enjoy tripping when it gets like this.

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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Psilotyl]
    #26398486 - 12/24/19 01:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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And size and weight have to play a role. I’ve heard that said before too...nonsense; this assertion doesn’t make any sense when you consider it pharmacologically. It certainly is at least one factor at play, no doubt.




Haven’t been able to stop thinking about this dose vs. size thing, Psilotyl!

The maths suggests I get twice the dose that you do from the same weight of mushrooms. But the calculation only considers physical body size. Thinking about where the psychoactive substance goes to in the body, it all goes to the brain’s 5-HT2a receptors - isn’t the argument about dose related to us all having the same size brain? I mean, regardless of body weight, brain weight is more or less consistent,therefore physical size does not affect trip intensity.

Just a thought.......

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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26398570 - 12/24/19 03:39 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Psilotyl said:
And size and weight have to play a role. I’ve heard that said before too...nonsense; this assertion doesn’t make any sense when you consider it pharmacologically. It certainly is at least one factor at play, no doubt.




Haven’t been able to stop thinking about this dose vs. size thing, Psilotyl!

The maths suggests I get twice the dose that you do from the same weight of mushrooms. But the calculation only considers physical body size. Thinking about where the psychoactive substance goes to in the body, it all goes to the brain’s 5-HT2a receptors - isn’t the argument about dose related to us all having the same size brain? I mean, regardless of body weight, brain weight is more or less consistent,therefore physical size does not affect trip intensity.

Just a thought.......

Mush love,
DJ Ed





Interesting point. Another perhaps in favor would be that as I got older and heavier (getting a grip on that now though!) far from the same doses I used to take diminishing in effect, I am now far more sensitive, and go far farther, with far less.

When younger I would fearlessly eat much greater doses than I do now, but not get as far. After hyperspace, I became more attuned to the spirit realm...

Same with cannabis too for that matter, which basically makes me trip if taken without tolerance! I know weed is more potent now but still...


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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: wolf8312]
    #26398597 - 12/24/19 04:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

  Interesting point. Another perhaps in favor would be that as I got older and heavier (getting a grip on that now though!) far from the same doses I used to take diminishing in effect, I am now far more sensitive, and go far farther, with far less. 

I am finding that exact same thing; as I get more experienced, I am going so much further from the same dose. I’m 53 now; have been reading stuff lately (Michael Pollan) and watching YouTube vids, where a lot of people are suggesting that mushrooms are wasted on the young! They haven’t got set enough in their ways yet for mushrooms to be as liberating! I’m 53 now and can sort of see where these views are coming from, particularly as I’m starting to benefit more from less.

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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26398678 - 12/24/19 06:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I know what you mean. 3.5 usually leaves me very uncomfortable like I'm stuck in the "come up" the entire time. I personally like taking atleast 7gs, atleast with these mushrooms (PF classic and malabars) so I dont know if I grew some weak mushrooms or if it just takes a bit more for me to get off...

But I really wouldnt consider 5gs heroic or even unusual...


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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26398720 - 12/24/19 06:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

My 5g experience was of another dimension. I assume you are all correct in the amount of psilocybin contained in the shrooms is what matters. 5g of my golden teachers would be like 1 g of my PE. Not really knowing the content but using weight as a measurement is not accurate. I would always suggest starting small on a batch, then increase at will..

My new definition of 5g is loosing time and reality. Unable to distinguish thought due to almost mental Paralysis.. and as Jefferson Airplane states... logic and Proportion have fallen sloppy dead..Which is very accurate. I saw elves and was an elf. All at 5g of PE.

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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26398859 - 12/24/19 09:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)



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  Interesting point. Another perhaps in favor would be that as I got older and heavier (getting a grip on that now though!) far from the same doses I used to take diminishing in effect, I am now far more sensitive, and go far farther, with far less. 

I am finding that exact same thing; as I get more experienced, I am going so much further from the same dose. I’m 53 now; have been reading stuff lately (Michael Pollan) and watching YouTube vids, where a lot of people are suggesting that mushrooms are wasted on the young! They haven’t got set enough in their ways yet for mushrooms to be as liberating! I’m 53 now and can sort of see where these views are coming from, particularly as I’m starting to benefit more from less.

Mush love,
DJ Ed




Just finished listening to 'how to change your mind' by Pollen on audible. Didn't think too much of it at first, but by the time I got to the end, I decided that I would definitely be keeping it, and not exchanging it for a credit! Funny at times too although I think the narrator was good, he somehow wasn’t suitable in a way I can’t really put my finger on. Then again so many times I very much like narrators, I see other people insisting were no good so the problem is probably mine!

Probably the best book I have listened to about psychedelics, though there's not much competition. It got me geared up for my first Aya experience in a few years. Maybe this week, or maybe next month...


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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: wolf8312]
    #26400003 - 12/25/19 03:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Heroic doses can be heaven and hell.


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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: PsychoReactive]
    #26400006 - 12/25/19 03:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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PsychoReactive said:
Heroic doses can be heaven and hell.




The exact same thing can be said for life in general. There's a thin line between tripping and "reality", at both ends of those extremes IMHO (cosmic giggle).


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Re: the sheer bliss of the heroic dose [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26400343 - 12/25/19 10:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This is a very good thread to read through.

Aldeberan, your written account of tripping is more or less identical to what I've experienced a few times, the few times in which I've really gone for what I consider a heroic dose. I think psychedelics can get incredibly difficult to dissect given how they work on your brain, but that sort of writing and thinking is a perfect representation of how they're 'mind revealing' at the most basic level.

There certainly is a fine line between reality and tripping, because in my opinion you are still in the same place and still being operated on by the same forces whether or not you are tripping or conscious. The only difference is you begin to realize while tripping how little control your consciousness has over your emotions, your environment, your primal urges, etc. In other words, the illusion of control just kind of withers up whether you realize it or not. That's the exact feeling I get from those kind of half-true, half-insane writings you make while tripping, and that to me is the feeling that makes trips so fucking hilarious.

Here's what I wrote coming down off of two (seemingly massive) hits:

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I can't even explain what this fucking substance did to me.

It feels like out of all of the billions of toiling troubled people in this room, I just had to be the one who had to make this square of sunshine was spotless just for the sucker who came for me.

It felt like every instant, every moment of every instant, immediately on the pinprick of that moment's instant... over and over again

Pure psychedelic chaos, then me realizing again that somebody out there actually has to be one of these metaphors! Somebody's actually doing it all out there when somebody envisions life as a game there are still people playing it and that's the thing of it.

Acid just feels like the trick that it just payed you to shine your shoe and the secrets right there in the last one... or something




Now that's nonsensical, makes way less sense than what you wrote. But the feeling I got while typing that a year ago was as though I were typing in a circle, as though I was driven by a force other than myself to write it while simultaneously laughing or giggling at the ideas I was or wasn't coming up with. I don't really know what else to say, except that what you wrote reminded me of that mindset even though its been so long since I tripped. I really feel like psychedelics just amplify and put a spotlight on the mind's role in everything we do, and that it doesn't affect mood as much as amplify the subtle shifts in mood we don't notice in sober reality.

I think it brings us closer to the reality of it, that we're just stuff, and we realize as we lose our humanness and get more and more alien sounding that we're paradoxically getting closer to the truth. It's like slowly turning to an inanimate object, but knowing that we're somehow becoming wiser and happier from that transformation. It's almost like psychedelics are smug.


Edited by jdawg333 (12/25/19 10:48 AM)


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