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Is this potentially Cubensis??
    #26395689 - 12/22/19 02:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hi there,

Is this potentially Cubensis??

I took this dun from a farm paddock in northern NSW and started watering it in my backyard since the heat and humidity has increased. I don't want to pick it yet. It has black gills. I'll check spore print and bruising when I pick it.

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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
    #26395709 - 12/22/19 02:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Looks more like a Panaeolus species. Let it mature a bit, but not too much, before you pick it and take gill shots and a spore print.


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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Anglerfish] * 2
    #26395753 - 12/22/19 02:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It's a Panaeolus antillarum


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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26396036 - 12/22/19 05:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the reply.

Panaeolus cyanescens perhaps? I will take more pics after I have picked it.


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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
    #26396093 - 12/22/19 06:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Panaeolus cyanescens perhaps?




In my experience, the striate stem speaks against P. cyanescens.

I don't think this is an active Panaeolus, and Doc9151's suggestion is convincing.


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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Doc9151]
    #26396177 - 12/22/19 07:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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It's a Panaeolus antillarum



What he said..^^^

This is pan cyan


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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Doc9151]
    #26396237 - 12/22/19 07:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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It's a Panaeolus antillarum



What he said..^^^

This is pan cyan




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Doc9151 said:
It's a Panaeolus antillarum




Are they commonly found in Australia?


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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
    #26396260 - 12/22/19 07:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yep..if uve found panaeolus growing in dung chances are you'll eventually run into some cyans..they will bruise blue


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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
    #26396281 - 12/22/19 08:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Are they commonly found in Australia?




As far as I know, being a subtropical species, they are more common in the northern
parts of NSW towards the border of QLD, apparently more so in the coastal regions.
Where Psilocybe cubensis occurs, you should also have chances finding Panaeolus cyanescens.


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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26396565 - 12/23/19 12:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

So to be clear, Panaeolus antillarum are common in Australia?


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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper] * 1
    #26396682 - 12/23/19 01:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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So to be clear, Panaeolus antillarum are common in Australia?




It occurs there, according to this link. It is a quite common dung lover many places in the world.

Note that a low number of finds is more likely to indicate lack of interest (or number of active mycologists) in a given area, than
actually indicate a rare species. Even P. foenisecii was once said to be rare, but probably just went under the radar due to
its apparent insignificance.


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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
    #26396726 - 12/23/19 03:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You guys were spot on! Brown bruising not blue, black spore print not purple. 

It doesn't bother me that it's not active. I'm becoming interested in all types now as I learn more.

Thanks so much for the advice!



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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
    #26396757 - 12/23/19 04:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Looking at your new pictures, I see that this is Panaeolus papilionaceus due to the obvious partial veil remnants on the cap margin, which
is a distinct feature of that species. Not surprising, since this is perhaps the most common species of Panaeolus in the world.

Is it the same specimen as the picture in your first post? They look quite different.


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It doesn't bother me that it's not active. I'm becoming interested in all types now as I learn more.





This counts for many if not most of the regulars on this forum. It's a consuming and gratifying hobby indeed! :smile:


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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26397214 - 12/23/19 11:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Look at the Panaeolus/Copelandia and antillarum sections of my gallery,  pay attention to the stems. Notice the little flecks on the cyanescens? The thickness and color should be noted as well, they are more petite than antillarum. Panaeolus/Copelandia cyanescens group will have a black spore print and growing directly from dung or compost enriched with dung and bruise bluish within 45min.


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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Doc9151]
    #26400497 - 12/25/19 01:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Look at the Panaeolus/Copelandia and antillarum sections of my gallery,  pay attention to the stems. Notice the little flecks on the cyanescens? The thickness and color should be noted as well, they are more petite than antillarum. Panaeolus/Copelandia cyanescens group will have a black spore print and growing directly from dung or compost enriched with dung and bruise bluish within 45min.




I found plenty of these yesterday although they only bruise brown. They are different to my first post but are most likely Panaeolus variety.



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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
    #26400603 - 12/25/19 03:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Look at the Panaeolus/Copelandia and antillarum sections of my gallery,  pay attention to the stems. Notice the little flecks on the cyanescens? The thickness and color should be noted as well, they are more petite than antillarum. Panaeolus/Copelandia cyanescens group will have a black spore print and growing directly from dung or compost enriched with dung and bruise bluish within 45min.




I found plenty of these yesterday although they only bruise brown. They are different to my first post but are most likely Panaeolus variety.





That is an inactive mushroom named Panaeolus antillarum


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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Doc9151]
    #26400757 - 12/25/19 05:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Look at the Panaeolus/Copelandia and antillarum sections of my gallery,  pay attention to the stems. Notice the little flecks on the cyanescens? The thickness and color should be noted as well, they are more petite than antillarum. Panaeolus/Copelandia cyanescens group will have a black spore print and growing directly from dung or compost enriched with dung and bruise bluish within 45min.




I found plenty of these yesterday although they only bruise brown. They are different to my first post but are most likely Panaeolus variety.





That is an inactive mushroom named Panaeolus antillarum




Thanks doc.

Similar in appearance to P.Cyanescens. I'm sure antillarum have been consumed in error when hunting for actives specimens. Atleast they are not poisonous.


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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
    #26400892 - 12/25/19 07:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Photos in my signature are panaeolus cyanescens


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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: Doc9151]
    #26461415 - 01/31/20 02:49 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Hi again,

Could I please get an ID on these? I'm pretty sure they are cubensis but I can't bruise the stems or get spore prints because they were a bit old and in bad condition when I found them.

They were found in a cow paddock on the Mid North Coast of NSW Australia.

Any help with this would be really appreciated!



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Re: Is this potentially Cubensis?? [Re: GoldTopper]
    #26461420 - 01/31/20 02:57 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

And more..





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